fingerprints and CCW

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I have CCW permits from Oklahoma and Florida. I never worried about the fingerprint requirement, because my job had put my prints in the system years ago.

One of my friends has never been fingerprinted and is not crazy about giving them to get his permit. Is there a state that issues non resident permits without fingerprints? (He lives in a state that would recognize any permit.)

I tried to go to packing.org but it seems to be down.
 
Uhhh...ok. Would he not give up his prints to cash a check? What does he think is gonna happen?
 
Prints to cash a check? My bank doesn't do that....

Oh, and the less information in databases about you the better. I'd not want to give my fingerprints if my parents hadn't already fingerprinted me at the local police station when I was 9 or so (for some reason or another).
 
Whether he likes them or not, doesn't matter. He either does it or chooses not to get a Oklahoma CCL. If there is a state that doesn't require prints, I would be surprised. What? Is he going to uproot and move there?
 
New Hampshire doesn't require prints for a NR permit - but you have to submit a copy of the permit from your home state. So that wouldn't help.
 
Just tell him to get over it. It's just part of the procedure, and not really that bad. I actually found the hi-tech fingerprinting machine to be really cool.
 
I'm going to get finger printed tomorrow for my CCW. I am not thrilled about it either. I didn't commit a crime, therefore I don't feel that I should be required to have that sort of information on file. What's next? DNA samples? A spent casing and round?
 
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Prints to cash a check? My bank doesn't do that....

Oh, and the less information in databases about you the better. I'd not want to give my fingerprints if my parents hadn't already fingerprinted me at the local police station when I was 9 or so (for some reason or another).
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The moment I'm asked for fingerprints to cash a check is the very same moment I close my account and bank elsewhere.

What the police like to tell parents is that they want fingerprints to identify children that are abducted or wander off. What they don't tell the parents is that missing children are rarely found, and when they are found they are often in a condition where fingerprints cannot be obtained (for example long since dead). In most cases dental records were used for ID, and now DNA tests are available. There was no need then and certainly no need now for a child to be fingerprinted, at least for the reasons they claim.

What police also don't tell parents is that those fingerprints come in handy if the child is suspected of a crime. The police now have the fingerprints and are not prevented from using them in any way they please. This usually leads to the fifth amendment going out the window.

I will refuse to give my fingerprints to a private entity for any reason. My signature, photo, and description (eye color, height, weight, etc.) were good enough in the past and should continue to be sufficient to prove my identity to such entities, such as a bank.

The fact that the police had my fingerprints for all these years (I too was fingerprinted at a young age) is now moot. The Army required my fingerprints for serving, I considered that situation to be unique so I complied.

If asked for fingerprints to get a CCP I would not have a problem with that since that point of no return is now passed. Had I not been fingerprinted in the Army I'm not sure I'd be very happy about providing my fingerprints.
 
I'm kind of on the fence about this. I can understand why some people say the less the government knows the better. But I am of the belief that I am one of the good guys and what harm will it be if they have my prints. I don't go in for all those conspircy theories. If I don't commit any crimes what do I have to worry about? After all, If the government is going to go after me for something I didn't do, whether or not they have my prints is probably a moot point anyway.
 
Fingerprinting is an effective barrier to participation.

NJ started fingerprinting gun owners in 1966. 40 years later, NJ gunowners are down to about 13%, the lowest percentage in the Republic, and the smallest identifiable voting bloc in the state.

Frankly, I avoided buying/owning guns while a Jersey inmate for YEARs because of this.

Finally, I looked the issues of power and powerlessness in the eye, and decided that the benefits of being an armed citizen far outweighed whatever slight hazards having my prints on file might present to my well being, and set about rearming myself.

Yes, NJ actually treated my with contempt in the process, and I had to fight them for 10 months for my FID.


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The thing that truly burns me is the attitudes of a lot of people, who truly don't understand that hesitation about having one's prints on file, or name on a list, is a rationale, prudent thing.

These are the folks who breezily wave the issue away, saying, "oh, an honest man has nothing to fear.", which is only a short step away from "the police have every right to have everyone's fingerprints on file, so let's start with the schoolkids."

A person is wise to not want their names on a list, or their biometrics on file. (Ask any eastern European about this) A person would also be a fool to let that stand between him and his arms.

At the end of the day, an armed man has potent options available that the unarmed man doesn't.
 
^ I'll go with that. They would rather people turned around and didn't purchase guns or get CCW permits. Also, we shouldn't have to have fingerprints taken, but the alternative is worse IMO. Be armed only with pride and principle, or be armed with pride, principle, and a .45
 
I'm going to get finger printed tomorrow for my CCW. I am not thrilled about it either. I didn't commit a crime, therefore I don't feel that I should be required to have that sort of information on file. What's next? DNA samples? A spent casing and round?
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Actually , if you have served in the military within the last 15? years , your DNA is already on file with the gov .
 
If there is a state that doesn't require prints, I would be surprised.
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PA doesn't require fingerprints either. But you're still right, AFAIK, that states with high reciprocity all require fingerprints. I've had to get mine done for UT, FL and CT, and I had them print an extra couple cards for VA and my files.

--Len.
 
I know CT requires prints for a CCW. Either you give your prints for a background check or no CCW....it's his choice.
 
I completely agree that I hate giving my fingerprints. It can never help clear you of anything and can only hurt you in the long run. I'm not a criminal, but let's think of examples where it may be problematic. Say you handle one of 100 guns at a gun show. Some criminal ends up with the gun, commits a murder in your neighborhood and leaves the gun. Your prints come up on it and you have some explaining to do; maybe even need to hire a lawyer.

Unfortunately prints are part of the game. I was printed when I worked as a stock broker, printed for the Bar exam, printed for all of my CCWs, printed when I joined the Army.... everybody has my prints!

However, to answer the question, I think there may be a state that grants nonresident permits without prints and it may be new hampshire. You'll have to look into it.
 
If you aren't using a phony ID, I don't think it is a problem. With all the information available by spending 20 minutes on the internet, getting fingerprinted for a CCW is very low on the list of things to worry about.
 
Is this for body identification?
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That's what I was told when my sample was taken for file . In case you were KIA and there was little remains left , they could identify you via DNA .
 
Wow, thats extreme
Although I recently had to be printed to get an USAEUR facilities pass so I can use the PX's on your bases here in Germany.

Not that cool, now my prints (and my wife's) are in some big ol database- but then If I have done nothing wrong then I have nothing to worry about - Right?
 
Marshall, I didn't say he lived in Oklahoma.

Sorting through the non-responses for the few factual replies and after going to a couple of web sites, it appears there are a couple of states that don't require fingerprints, but they do require applicants to have a CCW in their home state, unless they are Vermont residents. So I guess the only way to get a CCW without fingerprints is to be a Vermont resident and apply in another state.

Some people value their privacy more than others. That doesn't mean they are wrong or need to "get over it."
 
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