atek3
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where do I get a reproduction of a finnish mosin bayonet, for cheap dollars?
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atek3
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Finn Mosin bayonet?
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armoredman
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Start here http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/mb/surplusrifle and here
http://www.russian-mosin-nagant.com/ as someone on either board can help you with all things Mosin!
http://www.russian-mosin-nagant.com/ as someone on either board can help you with all things Mosin!
For the M39, www.interordnance.com has a repro bayo for about $35.00. Better price than Empire Arm's $75 repro bayo.
Not that it is pertinent to this conversation, but I read somewhere that the Finns considered bayonets useless and threw them away in the field. That is why they are so rare now.
It does stand to reason. The Finns were pretty much all snipers during the Winter War and no sniper in his right mind would willfully abuse his rifle by using it as a pike or club.
It does stand to reason. The Finns were pretty much all snipers during the Winter War and no sniper in his right mind would willfully abuse his rifle by using it as a pike or club.
igor
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Even here you'll get two decent M39 rifles for the price of a decent bayonet. Can't confirm the history bit either way, goon.
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The Finnish M39 bayonets were destroyed by the Finnish government at the end of WW2. You can find them but they are often twice the price of the rifle. The M27-M28 bayonets are more common but are still generally over $150 when you find one.
I have two IO ones and they are nice bayonets. They are blued and are obvious fakes. The Empire Arms ones are much nicer and could almost be mistaken for the original.
The Finnish M39 bayonets were destroyed by the Finnish government at the end of WW2. You can find them but they are often twice the price of the rifle. The M27-M28 bayonets are more common but are still generally over $150 when you find one.
I have two IO ones and they are nice bayonets. They are blued and are obvious fakes. The Empire Arms ones are much nicer and could almost be mistaken for the original.
Cosmoline
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The Finns preferred small Lapp-style Puukko knives and would cut down existing bayonets to knife-size if possible. I don't think they saw much use in the pigsticker bayonets used by the Russians.
benEzra
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I think Doug Bowser says in Rifles of the White Death that the Finns rarely used rifle bayonets at all. Given the fact that they were vastly outnumbered and preferred hit-and-run or distance attacks if at all possible, that makes sense. Wouldn't be wise to ski up to a group of enemy soldiers that outnumbers you ten to one so you can get into a bayonet fight, and I don't imagine there was a lot of urban hand-to-hand or building-clearing done by the Finns either.
Bayonets were considered mostly as decorative items already back then. They were used in parades but the experience had shown that they had hardly any practical use in the battlefield. The light infantry had to move fast through rough terrains and sooner or later the infantrymen dumped all dead weight including gas-masks, bayonets and even steel helmets.
Hand-to-hand combats took place usually in trenches. Those combats were won by using hand grenades and Suomi SMG’s. If the enemy got really close, puukko was used. Anyway, in trenches or inside buildings a rifle with a bayonet is not too practical weapon as there’s no room to use it.
Some words about puukko: The puukko is one of the oldest multi-purpose tools mankind knows. It is 95% tool and only 5% weapon. This is why it looks a bit modest when compared with Rambo inspired tactical combat knives, which I myself find useful only as a poor substitute of a crowbar. Or as a bottom weight of a fishnet.
Puukko is one of those words that is very Finnish and quite difficult to translate, just like sauna or sisu. The artefact it describes belongs to the great family of knives and sharp weapons, but forms a sub-category all its own. It is the name given to a utensil that is used as a tool for all kinds of carving, and especially to work wood. Like a dagger, a puukko can serve as a weapon, but a dagger it is not. Neither is a small puukko a penknife, even though it is ideal for sharpening a pencil. Hunters and anglers can use a puukko to clean their catches, but a puukko is far more than just a hunting or fisherman's knife. It is a puukko.
As every soldier had his personal puukko with him (puukko is a very personal thing), no wonder that they got rid of their bayonets in the first possible occasion.
Hand-to-hand combats took place usually in trenches. Those combats were won by using hand grenades and Suomi SMG’s. If the enemy got really close, puukko was used. Anyway, in trenches or inside buildings a rifle with a bayonet is not too practical weapon as there’s no room to use it.
Some words about puukko: The puukko is one of the oldest multi-purpose tools mankind knows. It is 95% tool and only 5% weapon. This is why it looks a bit modest when compared with Rambo inspired tactical combat knives, which I myself find useful only as a poor substitute of a crowbar. Or as a bottom weight of a fishnet.
Puukko is one of those words that is very Finnish and quite difficult to translate, just like sauna or sisu. The artefact it describes belongs to the great family of knives and sharp weapons, but forms a sub-category all its own. It is the name given to a utensil that is used as a tool for all kinds of carving, and especially to work wood. Like a dagger, a puukko can serve as a weapon, but a dagger it is not. Neither is a small puukko a penknife, even though it is ideal for sharpening a pencil. Hunters and anglers can use a puukko to clean their catches, but a puukko is far more than just a hunting or fisherman's knife. It is a puukko.
As every soldier had his personal puukko with him (puukko is a very personal thing), no wonder that they got rid of their bayonets in the first possible occasion.
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