Firearm purchase denied/Q's on ID

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So I go in to Gander Mountain to get the rifle I ordered. I'm asked to provide ID which I produce. The first thing he asks is if the address on my driver license is my current address. I say no, and he gives me a "I wish you hadn't said that" look. I thought ahead and brought my checkbook and my FCC Amateur Radio license as proof of my current address. He informs me that isn't good enough, my current address MUST be on my photo ID. He also pointed out that the driver license station closes in five minutes, which is conveniently located about twenty minutes away.

This is where I go into my rant...
I had all kinds of identification on me. I was straightforward about my residence and had documentation to back it up. But that is not good enough. I now have to get a new ID because I was honest about where I lived. Had I lied to the man I would now be in possession of a firearm.
:cuss:
I guess the laws are about keeping firearms out of the hands of honest people. I had in my possession four forms of photo ID, my driver license, my passport (because it seems that is the ultimate form of ID in the world), my DOD veteran ID, and my old university ID. There should have been no doubt to my identity, age, or citizenship. What difference does it make where in the USA I lived? :banghead: Rant over...

So now I have to go about getting a photo ID with my current address. The gentleman mentioned a couple times "on Monday" about my purchasing the rifle. I found that odd since he seemed to assume I have all kinds of time on my hands to go stand in line at the driver license station. I drove by the driver license station on my way home to check the times they would be open. They are not open on Mondays. I think I'll give them a call in the morning to let them know it may be a couple days before I get the new ID so they don't sell it to someone else.

Anyway, I was thinking that instead of getting a new driver license (it doesn't expire for a couple years) that I'd just get a non-driver-license photo ID. I understand that many people do this in case of a lost driver license so that one still has a form of ID until a new driver license can be issued. A friend noted he and some of his school buddies do that so they always have an ID with their firearm license and a driver license when driving.

A couple questions, anybody have a non-driver-license photo ID as issued by the DMV/DOT? What motivated you to do so? And, something I really want to know, what method do they use to verify your current address? I think all I had to do was write down my (then new) address when I got my license three years ago. I don't think I had to actually prove I lived there.

I'm thinking I'd rather fork over $$ to get another form of ID than spend that money to replace a perfectly good driver license. So what, my address is wrong, in the unlikely event I get stopped by a police officer in the next two years I can give my correct address then. If I don't get stopped then my driver license will get corrected when it's time to renew.

He did ask that I fill out a form to show that I was eligible to purchase a long arm and he made a copy of my (incorrect) ID. He also called NICS and let me know that I am cleared to buy a long arm. I guess he just wanted to get that out of the way so that neither of us should have any surprises the next time I come in.

He did mention that if I had a hand gun license that I could have bought a long arm. I remember the process being described on a previous visit. I'd have to go to the sheriff and fill out a form similar to what I did in the store. They do some poking around my records and decide if I am worthy to purchase a handgun. (It would not be a carry license since Linn County will not issue such a thing to us mere mortals.) If everything checks out then I'd get my handgun license in a week or two. That sounds like more hassle than just getting a new ID, and I may still be required to get a new ID for that process anyway.

Enough rambling. Off to bed.
 
Man. I had a similar, not quite as bad experience last week when I bought my shotgun.

I'm currently a college student, and the University I attend is out of state. I rent and live in an apartment in Oregon, where my college is located, but I'm still a Nevada state resident so that I get to stay on my parent's insurance and they get to claim me as a dependent (neither of which would be possible if I became an Oregon resident).

Anyway, so I go to buy a shotgun the other day in Oregon, and the guy selling me it asked me if my address was the same as on my Drivers license. At this point I explain to him that I'm a Nevada state resident but I'm living in town, and he gets a worried look on his face like this is going to be a deal breaker, and says he has to call his supervisor to see if he can still sell to me. Now, I KNOW that federal law allows people to buy long guns out of state, but as he calls his superiors to check and see if he can sell me the gun I get a bit worried, as I wasn't sure if there was an Oregon state law I didn't know about.

I was getting pretty nervous because as he was on the phone I couldn't tell if he was getting a good answer or not, but eventually he hung it up and said everything was good to go. Talk about a relief. The only thing he said was to make sure I used my permanent Nevada address (the one that's on my DL) on the form, and the rest of it went fairly smoothly.
 
Somehow I think the issue is the drivers license. I think they want to make sure the address used is the same on the drivers license as that is a way to track if there is later found that a gun purchased was used in a crime.

I might be wrong about that. But even with getting a handgun with a buy permit (before I had the CPL) I had to first go and update my drivers license as I also admitted it was the wrong address.

Weird thing is that I think most crimes are not committed with guns that was purchased by the guilty party in a store with all the checks done. But anyway, I think that is why the hassel.
 
In Ohio, they will not issue both...either one or the other...

Anyway, I was thinking that instead of getting a new driver license (it doesn't expire for a couple years) that I'd just get a non-driver-license photo ID.
 
In Oregon they do a change of address on a driver's license for free. I'm betting Iowa does much the same thing, or perhaps with a minor charge.
Even so, why didn't they accept the passport? Perhaps the clerk has some sort of fixation on the DL as the only acceptable form of ID. Strange.
 
In Texas we only have 30 days to change our address when we move or we will get a ticket if pulled over for any reason. We can however update ours online and pay 10 bucks and print out a temp copy that shows the new address and wait about 3 weeks to recive a new DL in the mail. Some places will take that temp copy along with your old DL.
 
From the ATF website.

(D5) Is a Social Security card a proper means of identification for purchasing a firearm from an FFL? [Back]

No. A Social Security card, alien registration card, or military identification alone does not contain sufficient information to identify a firearms purchaser. However, a purchaser may be identified by any combination of government-issued documents which together establish all of the required information: Name, residence address, date of birth, and photograph of the holder.

So, it seems that all of the ID you had "should" have been sufficient, for this seller it wasn't.

I have run into this before with FFL's, and in the long run, it is their business and they can run it however thay want. Either you meet their "rquirements" or they don't sell to you.

You can always find one who will let you use your multiple IDs, or change your DL.

bob
 
Anyway, I was thinking that instead of getting a new driver license (it doesn't expire for a couple years) that I'd just get a non-driver-license photo ID.
You better hopw you don't get into any moving violation trouble. DMVs require your correct address and gives a specific amount of time to make the change when you move.
Your first piece of ID handed to the salesperson didn't have the current address. Anything handed to the salesperson after that makes no difference because the salesperson has found a fault that violates BATFE rules.
 
In some state, here too, it's a law to have the adress on the driver's lisence current within so many days after the printed address is not your residence. A law's a law. As for the form for the firearm...that's what is required. 50 plus firearm later, I've always been required to have a drivers license or other state issued identification. Like Majic said, since you gave a not current address on your license and siad it wasn't current anything after that is moot.

Out of curiosity I looked at Iowas laws about this. Well, on thier site it states "You must notify the Iowa Department of Transportation within 30 days when your mailing address has changed." So since the law wasn't followed in this regard, who's to blame? Certainly not anyone at Gander Mountain.
 
Why would someone spend 20 minutes typing out a rant about not keeping is ID up to date instead of spending that time updating his ID?
 
I had a similar experience at Sportsman's Wharehouse in Ankeny. My license and permit to carry had different addys and they told me no gun today. They ended up calling the supervisor who said it is no big deal so they sold me the gun. I guess they have someone in management that won't sell unless the addys match. Now I have matching addys but have since moved from creston to indianola and was told at the gun show 2 weeks ago to just write my current addy as the one on my license and permit. I would call the store and talk to the manager because I believe that it is just a "cover my behind" preference. I even talked to the Union co sheriff about this and basically he just said that some places require it and some don't. He said it happened to a city cop too.
 
http://www.dot.state.ia.us/mvd/ods/changes.htm

You must notify the Iowa Department of Transportation within 30 days when your mailing address has changed. This may be done by:
Appearing in person at any Iowa driver's license station.You will be issued a new driver's license or identification for $1.


One dollar and a few minutes of your time will make you legally free and clear. Money and time well spent.
 
In Ohio you have either 30 or 45 days to get your ID changed to the new address. But I got pulled over once when my license address was wrong by 3.5 YEARS and cop just laughed about it, then told me, "Yeah, I don't wanna go to the license bureau either, and I'd be in uniform!"
 
DISCLAIMER:I didn't read all of the posts.

In Pa, you can go online and do a change of address like right now, they will send you a heavy paper card to put in your wallet with your DL. At my favorite gunstore, they will do it for you when they find out your DL does not match current address.

Also in Pa, it is illegal to not update your DL within thirty days of moving, I'm sure it is the same in most states.
 
Why would someone spend 20 minutes typing out a rant about not keeping is ID up to date instead of spending that time updating his ID?
- ROTFL!!!

There's a trend down here for places to make store policy MORE stringent than the law in order to keep ahead of the ATF and the ambulance-chasing lawyers. Outdoor world in S. Fla, for example, has much stricter policies than the law: They don't let folks under 21 shoot on their range (unless it's YOUR kid), they don't allow reloaded ammo, they don't sell any handguns or handgun accessories that would work for concealed, etc.

I'm not agreeing, and your docs should have been fine, but that may be why...
 
In most states the "non-DL" ID issued by your DOT is simply a drivers license with all restrictions. So no, that probably won't work for you. As such it will also cost just as much as getting your DL changed.

In my experience (at least in my state) getting the address changed on your DL doesn't cost as much as a full renewal. They don't renew your license, they just go into their system, update the address and print you a new one. If your state has a modern (fully computerized with digital photos) DL system then it's quick and simple.
 
keeping your address updated is paramount to keep the suits happy, you shouldn't be driving around with an incorrect address on your license, every time you move you are supposed to get a new identification card in order to be eligable to participate in govt related functions (driving, fishing, hunting, buying anything from cigs to gold paint to guns...)

just get a new license dude, not sure what info is online, but here is the iowa DOT website

http://www.dot.state.ia.us/mvd/ods/index.htm
 
The DL was invalid due to incorrect address, and you are mad because Gander followed the rules on the purchase of a firearm.:banghead: No sympathy here.:neener:
 
Sounds like Gander Mtn's policy. That said, in IL you must notify DMV w/ change of address and State PD for FOID (gun) card. You DO NOT have to change the address on the card itself until the renew date. Very odd for a state so stuck on itself--
 
Sounds like Gander Mtn's policy.
No it's federal mandate
A license with incorrect information is no longer valid, firearms purchase requires a valid ID the poster produced a worthless ID

If your ID has only a P.O. box on it,you will be denied.ATF insists on a street addy.
But Florida insists that your mailing address be on your DL.
For many years I had two IDs
A DL with my mailing address and a state ID card with my physical address, it's legal here
I don't move around so much anymore so I have my real address on my DL, just have no clue where it is
Did the Passport have the old address, or the new one?
Passports do not have addresses on them
 
Here in Tn if you don't change your address within 30 days they can fine you. The big reason for that is if there is a reason to mail you something they need your current address. This one fellow had his DL suspended for one reason and they notified him through his address, well he never changed it so he didn't get the notice. Couple of years later he got pulled over for speeding and had to visit the iron bar hotel for driving on suspended.:rolleyes:

I would assume it's like that everywhere.

Now in TN if you change your address they do the DL for free. :D
 
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