Firearm purchase denied/Q's on ID

[Neo-Luddite]

I'll re-frame; will GM take anything other than a DL / State ID (assuming the data as printed) is correct? My guess is they could lawfully do so but likely would not.

 

[Im283]

Now in TN if you change your address they do the DL for free.

This may vary by county. In April I changed my address on the drivers license and in Knox County I was charged $12.

Why would someone spend 20 minutes typing out a rant about not keeping is ID up to date instead of spending that time updating his ID?

+1

 

[deadin]

I've had two experiences with address changes here in Washington State.
In the first, the dealer just used the address that was on my license even though I told him it was no longer correct. I then called the State license bureau to notify them of my change of address. They entered it into the computer (Both street and mailing address as they are different.) I asked about getting a new license with my current address on it and was told to just tape a tag with my new address to the back of my DL, it would be corrected on renewal.
I guess you could always "lose" your old license and get a replacement. I solved the problem by getting a FFL.
BTW, The "Bound Book" does not require an address, it calls for a DL number which can then be traced via the License Bureau if you have reported your COA as required by law.

 

[Chipperman]

"Passports do not have addresses on them"


OH.
As you can tell, I don't have one.

 

[glockman19]

I have a DL withan older address. As Long as I can provide current car registration ans a DWP/Phone bill they have no issues. I do have a card from teh DMV with my new address but It isn't "official" because it isn't stamped.

 

[2400]

If your ID has only a P.O. box on it,you will be denied.ATF insists on a street addy.

Not true. I have a P O Box on my drivers license, I use my voter ID card with it as it has my street address on it.

 

[zoom6zoom]

In Virginia you can change it right online, you don't even have to go to DMV office (yeah!). Pictures have been stored digitally for years now, they can just print one out. I was even able to renew mine online last time, but you can only do that every other time (otherwise your picture is over ten years old)

 

[joab]

As you can tell, I don't have one.

I tried to use mine to write a check at 7-11 once after my wallet was stolen, it was pointed out to me then

That is why I have two IDs now, and a credit card that stays hidden in the truck

 

[Flyboy]

A license with incorrect information is no longer valid, firearms purchase requires a valid ID the poster produced a worthless ID

In Oklahoma, we have to keep a current address on file with the state, but are not required to purchase a new card when the address changes (merely update our filing with the state). Of course, that's state law, and relates only to driver licensing, not federal firearms infringements.

I haven't yet tried to buy a firearm since my last move; we'll see how it goes.

 

[Langenator]

Hmmm...I'm active duty military, so most of the time, the address on my DL isn't where I'm living (it is at the moment, but won't be in about 5 weeks). And because of the laws of my state of legal residence (WA), as long as I'm on active duty, my license doesn't expire, so I have no reason to get a new one.

I've bought several guns while stationed outside of WA, and my military ID was always good enough-although in SC when I bought a pistol, they did want a copy of my orders assigning me there.

 

[Regolith]

Why would someone spend 20 minutes typing out a rant about not keeping is ID up to date instead of spending that time updating his ID?

Because it's Sunday and the DMV isn't likely to be open?

Come on, people, give the guy a break.

 

[Sage of Seattle]

A couple questions, anybody have a non-driver-license photo ID as issued by the DMV/DOT? What motivated you to do so? And, something I really want to know, what method do they use to verify your current address? I think all I had to do was write down my (then new) address when I got my license three years ago. I don't think I had to actually prove I lived there.

I had a state issued ID card for Washington. I was motivated primarily because I wasn't pysically able to drive when my DL renewal came up. They required the same thing that the DL did as far as address was concerned: just a letter sent to you via the USPS with your name and current address on it -- usually some kind of utility bill is what they prefer. I think I used a cell phone bill.

That was about four years ago. I recently got tested and passed the DL test so I now have a valid DL again. I had to surrender any and all state ID cards and state driver's licenses, no matter the state or when it was obtained.

Once as a fun test, I made my own picture ID. I was a notary in Washington and so I took a picture, decided on a style and then printed it out with my signature, addy and all that on it. It said "Notary" and was actually pretty spiffy looking. Once it was laminated, it looked quite professional. Nowadays, there are companies who produce ID on the plastic card so no lamination is necessary. If it's legitimate (like me being a notary and there's no official notary ID card) and you pay a few bucks to print out a card, I would certainly try it. Unless their policy says "state issued ID only" why not see what happens?

And I understood that dealers or FFL's cannot sell firearms to people who are out of state, so I'm wondering if that's the reason for the demand for current address photo ID. Just a guess on my part, however.

 

[IA_farmboy]

I appreciate the responses.

I did a bit of reading and found out a couple things. I can correct my driver license address through the mail but I will not be issued a new license, it only corrects the address in their records. I assume they would send me a note to keep with my license to show current address in case of a traffic stop. I assume this because I've seen something similar in a different state license. While this would get my license corrected it would not solve my problem with Gander Mountain.

It seems that requiring that my photo ID also show current address is a Gander Mountain policy, not a state or federal requirement. I guess it just makes things easier for them since one document would prove ID, age, and current address.

I'm not going to explain why I haven't corrected the address on my license. It's a very long story and, frankly, no one's business but my own.

It seems the quickest solution to my dilemma is to go to the driver license station on Tuesday. If I get there when they open hopefully I can get everything done quickly and still get to work before anyone notices I was late.

 

[CajunBass]

In Virginia you can change it right online, you don't even have to go to DMV office (yeah!). Pictures have been stored digitally for years now, they can just print one out. I was even able to renew mine online last time, but you can only do that every other time (otherwise your picture is over ten years old)

Thanks for reminding me. I needed to renew mine next month, so I went ahead and did it online today. Sure beat waiting to hear "Now serving number A123 at window number 1," and I'm holding number Z999.

 

[Henry Bowman]

Wow, I'm pretty suprised the passport wasn't accepted.

As )))& said, passport do not include an address. The issue isn't identification, it's residency. The BATFE is giving FFLs grief everywhere they can.

Just get your DL updated if you need to prove residency as well as ID (such as buying guns).

 

[gezzer]

Get off your lazy butt and submit a change of address on your drivers license it is required or you are actualy driving without a valid license.

 

[Feanaro]

I always try to read a thread before I post, lest I tell someone to "get off their lazy butt" three posts after they have made plans to do just that.

 

[230RN]

If it's legitimate (like me being a notary and there's no official notary ID card) and you pay a few bucks to print out a card, I would certainly try it. Unless their policy says "state issued ID only" why not see what happens?

Gawdamighty, don't try this!

Unless you figure prison is a pretty good retirement option.

"Don't try to finesse the system." 230RN said that.

As Henry Bowman said, "they're" trying everything they can to reduce FFLs.

If an FFL wants to take fingerprints, give them the darned fingerprints if you want the gun. It's their livelihood that's on the line.

In CO, all you have to do is write your new address on the back of the license.

 

[Ala Dan]

In Alabama, a current tag receipt, electric or gas bill, CCW license with
correct address, or residential telephone bill would have been accepted
as valid proof of residence~!

 

[IA_farmboy]

Here's an update in case any one is interested.

I went to the local driver license station and brought plenty of documents to show who I was and where I lived, since I didn't want to have to make a return trip. I walked in and told the receptionist I wanted a non-DL ID. He asked for proof of ID and I showed my passport. (I kept my DL in my wallet to see if anyone asked for it, no one did.)

The form was pretty standard, name, address, license or ID, voter registration, and probably a couple other things I don't remember. When my number came up I went to the processing desk and presented the form and my passport. She asked a couple questions including, "Are you a US citizen?" I answered, "Yes, that's what the passport says." She smiled and said she had to ask. She tells me the ID will cost $5 so I pay.

I stood there for what seemed like an hour while she clicked her mouse on the computer. I can only imagine what she had to click through on the screen. (Closing porn pop-ups?) She hands back my passport and directs me to wait until my name is called for a photo.

My name is called, I verify the information is correct, and put my signature on this electronic pad. I get my picture taken and a few minutes later I walk out with my new ID.

On my way out I notice a couple things. At no time was I asked to show proof that I actually lived at the address I put on the form. The ID number is identical to my DL number.

So, that's all done. I've notified the PTB of my new address, got a document that satisfies Gander Mountain of my current address, and I'm now registered to vote (something that's been on my to do list for some time).

I go to Gander Mountain with my new ID and they make a copy of it, and I purchase my rifle and accessories. I take their offer of a free mounting and bore sight of the scope, leaving the rifle, scope, and gun case with them. I have since picked up my new toy and I'm now looking forward to shoot it.

The attentive reader will notice that I did not get a new DL. I figure I'm in the clear since I have a valid ID and an unexpired DL with wrong address, which would be of little difference from me correcting my address by mail since I would then be given a card with my correct address to go with my incorrect DL. In the unlikely event I am asked to produce my DL by a LEO (before I renew it with a new address) I will offer both documents. Iowa allows one to have a single DL as well as a non-DL ID. That makes me wonder if I can get multiple non-DL IDs. Once I have to renew my license I'll take the non-DL ID out of my wallet and keep it in a safe place in case I need it again.

Now that I understand the process of a firearm purchase I'm already looking for another firearm to buy. I'm think a revolver.

 

[glockman19]

I have an old address on my drivers license and all I did ws go to the DMV they give you a card that you print your new address on I also wrote with indelible ink the address on the back of my license. I've had NO problems at all.

 

[eltorrente]

Since you already went to the DMV, why didn't you just get a new license? You went through the hassel of going to the DMV, only to get an extra ID that explains your other incorrect ID?

 

[IA_farmboy]

Since you already went to the DMV, why didn't you just get a new license? You went through the hassel of going to the DMV, only to get an extra ID that explains your other incorrect ID?

I wanted to test the system. I wanted to see what hoops they wanted me to jump through to get an ID. I was curious.

As pointed out in the discussion above sometimes you need an identification card that shows not just who you are but where you live. Things like writing a check, buying a firearm, and so forth. Also, sometimes things get lost or stolen. These things can get lost or stolen at the most inopportune times.

For the moment I have two Iowa forms of identification in my wallet so my redundancy is minimal. When I go to renew my DL in a year and change, which I would have to do regardless if I had to change my address or not, I can have two forms of ID that is recognized to show my (correct) place of residence. Each is a backup for the other in most situations, the only exception is one allows me to drive on public roads and the other does not.

So, in one stop to the DMV I have a second form of ID that shows I live in Iowa, I registered to vote, and I updated my DL address. It may look to you like I was wasting my time but I found it very productive.

 

[Brian Williams]

Sticking a fork in it this one is done.