Firearms in Popular Music

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The type of gun crimes some of them commit are what 99% of this forum what LOVE to do. Carry with out a license, have full autos, SBS/SBR, etc, etc.
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The point is that they are CRIMES. I highly doubt that 99% of THR members want to go out and commit gun crimes. Now I'll admit that many people here believe that some things are more regulated than they should be, but I can assure that 99% of us do believe that guns shouldn't be readily available to everyone who wants one (ie people who publicly glorify/commit acts of violence).

You are making quite a generalization with that one. Quite an incorrect and emotionally charged generalization.

I'm surprised to read such an incorrect assumption about the members here from a fellow member who has been here for years.

I could care less what you listen to, but don't come trying to tell me that rap doesn't promote violence and above all IGNORANCE.

And BTW:

I'm glad you turned out to be better than the music you listen to implies you should be. Also, I don't believe that anyone is turned into a violent zombie by simply listening to a few CD's.

If you look at my previous posts in this thread you may see that I have a very broad love for music. I'm not ignorant to rap, so don't think I'm some old geezer hating on something I have no knowledge of. I've listened to plenty of it from Stetsasonic to Sugarhill to NWA to Del to ODB to TI. So I would like to make it known that not all rap is promoting violence and in this conversation I am speaking of the rap that does promote violence.
 
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Well, if you read the lyrics, it's about the guy thinking about suicide. However, they never censored that Marilyn Manson song that numerous people killed themselves after listening to, basically promoting suicide. As long as he tells teenagers to hang themselves, it's alright. Just as long as he doesn't make a reference to a gun in any manner.
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Santeria - he was going to use the .45 on the man who stole his woman, not shoot himself...
 
Yet they do so by making a living promoting and glamorizing a lifestyle that turns hundreds or thousands of other people in the direction of a life of crime.
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You got data to back that up? Because that's one hell of a statement. Last I checked, the problems in the ghetto are related to poverty, and not rap music leading people to do evil deeds.

I highly doubt that 99% of THR members want to go out and commit crimes.
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i meant that we would want to do legally without red tape.

but don't come trying to tell me that rap doesn't promote violence and above all IGNORANCE
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sure it does, but how many follow what the rappers are saying? It's ridiculous to even think about. Rappers are only trying to explain what they've went through in order to survive in an environment where illegal/immoral/unethical behavior was common place. Nobody is saying "do this, do that".

mnaybe some people like the aggressiveness in rap music? Maybe they like the intrumentals being used? After all, it is a form of entertainment meant to entice emotions.

In the end, this whole conversation is silly. The people who act like rap music is going to destroy their children and neighborhoods are silly.

to the OP, man I don't know what to say. I apologize for crapping on your thread. It should have never happened, but some of the folks here bit something that wasn't supposed to be bait.
 
glamorizing a lifestyle
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He didn't say it was the cause, he said it was glamorizing the mentality it creates in the minds the of the individuals affected by said cause.

Rappers are only trying to explain what they've went through in order to survive in an environment where illegal/immoral/unethical behavior was common place
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We can blame it on this or blame on that, but at the end of the day violence is not a necessity to overcome poverty and a bad environment. I'm calling BS. It's called student loans, hard work, and foresight. I come from a poor family and I do what I have to do to provide for my wife, my child, and myself. And guess what..... It's never violent and it's always legal.

So sorry, that whole "I had to do terrible things because of my environment" BS is nothing more than that, pure BS. If I can come up from a violent poor neighborhood with a good education and a job to take care of my family and I, then so can anyone else.

And survival? Survival? Give me a break! This is a first world country with opportunities for anyone who is willing to work hard for what they want. Which BTW is exactly what gangsta rap is not about. Get the quick cash however you can and screw anyone who gets in your way, then blame it on your environment, right?

It's about responsibility, not survival.
 
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You got data to back that up? Because that's one hell of a statement. Last I checked, the problems in the ghetto are related to poverty, and not rap music leading people to do evil deeds.
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hahaha!!!!!


Oh yes, whenever I'm down on my luck financially, I want to go out and commit a double rape/homicide.


What fantasy land do YOU live in?
 
Oh yes, whenever I'm down on my luck financially, I want to go out and commit a double rape/homicide.
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So what are you implying?


It's about responsibility, not survival.
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Great, but the music itself is entertainment. Whether the music artist wants to talk about the evils in society, success, positive themes, or otherwise is their business. Don't forget about what the consumer wants to hear because there's a market for everything.


"some rap music promote violence, immoral behavior, and ignorance."

Yes, some rap music does promote these ideas on purpose as entertainment. Just like how Halloween II promotes cutting up women with machetes for entertainment. Or how grand theft auto 4 promotes carjacking, murder, and robbery for entertainment.

It's the entertainment industry people, get over it.
 
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A few of my favorites:
Forty Four - Howlin' Wolf
32-20 Blues - Robert Johnson
LA County - Lyle Lovette
Jungle Work - Warren Zevon
If I had a Rocket Launcher - Bruce Cockburn
Roland The Headless Thompson Gunner - Warren Zevon
Shotgun Blues - Lightning Hopkins
 
Shotgun Willie - Willie Nelson

Shotgun - Duran Duran

Love Gun - Kiss

Tommy Gun - The Clash

Rifle Range - Blondie

Shotgun Blues - Guns N' Roses
 
Great, but the music itself is entertainment. Whether the music artist wants to talk about the evils in society, success, positive themes, or otherwise is their business. Don't forget about what the consumer wants to hear because there's a market for everything.


"some rap music promote violence, immoral behavior, and ignorance."

Yes, some rap music does promote these ideas on purpose as entertainment. Just like how Halloween II promotes cutting up women with machetes for entertainment. Or how grand theft auto 4 promotes carjacking, murder, and robbery for entertainment.

It's the entertainment industry people, get over it.
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Oh yes, those people that emulate Micheal Myers are all over the place. Why, I think some famous celebrity "of his ilk" just had a negligent cutting stuffing his FO'TY CALLIBRR Machete into the band of his sweatpants.
Of course, not true. Gang culture is literally 80% of what's wrong with America today. Whenever I get into a car and someone puts on (c)rap, I usually express my displeasure in a very non high-road way.
 
A lot of songs have been mentioned already. I like Pearl Jam a lot, but the song "Glorified G" is anti gun and anti NRA. This, along with Eddie Vedder's extreme leftism will always cause PJ to not be my favorite band.
 
Travis Tritt - Modern Day Bonnie and Clyde

Well its a long way to Richmond rollin NORTH on 95.
With a red head ridin shot-gun and a pistol by my side.
Tearin down that highway like a modern day Bonnie and Clyde.
 
"Trigger Happy," Weird Al Yankovic
Got an AK-47, well you know it makes me feel all right
Got an Uzi by my pillow, helps me sleep a little better at night
There's no feeling any greater
Than to shoot first and ask questions later
Now I'm trigger happy, trigger happy every day

Well you can't take my guns away, I got a
Constitutional right
Yeah, I gotta be ready if the commies attack us tonight
I'll blow their brains out with my Smith and Wesson
That out to teach 'em all a darn good lesson
Now I'm trigger happy, trigger happy every day

CHORUS
Oh yeah, I'm trigger, trigger happy
Yes, I'm trigger, trigger happy
(Oh baby, I'm) trigger, trigger happy
Yes, I'm trigger, trigger happy
(Oh, I'm so) trigger, trigger happy
Yes, I'm trigger, trigger happy
Better watch out, punk, or I'm gonna have
To blow you away

Oh, I accidentally shot Daddy last night in the den
I mistook him in the dark for a drug-crazed Nazi again
Now why'd you have to get so mad?
It's just a lousy flesh wound, Dad
You know I'm trigger happy, trigger happy every day

Oh, I still haven't figured out the safety on my rifle yet
Little Fluffy took a round, better take him to the vet
I filled that kitty cat so full of lead
We'll have to use him for a pencil instead
Well, I'm trigger happy, trigger happy every day

CHORUS

Come on and grab your ammo
What have you got to lose?
We'll all get liquored up
And shoot at anything that moves

Got a brand new semi-automatic weapon with a laser sight
Oh, I'm prayin' somebody tries to break in here tonight
I alwaays keep a Magnum in my trunk
You better ask yourself, do you feel lucky, punk?
Because I'm trigger happy, trigger happy every day
 
There's a whole elephant's worth between gun terminology and... other slang.
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Yeah it's pretty funny how many times you think you here a gun reference and later realize it was just a sly mention of the male genitalia or shooting up drugs.
 
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DougDubya - I was talking about the Shinedown song, not Santeria. But still, "Santeria" mentions shooting someone else, backing up what I said about the negative image of guns in music.
 
Bang bang you shot me down
Bang bang I hit the ground
Bang bang that awful sound
Bang bang my baby shot me down.

Cher, 1966
 
Well, the post above yours was from about noon today.

There are, however, a finite number of songs with gun references in them.
 
The NUGE...Stormtroopin:

Comin' up that street, jackboots steppin' high.
Got to make a stand.
Looking in your windows and listen to your phone.
Keep a gun in your hand.

Get ready. Stormtroopers comin'.
Get ready. Stormtroopres comin' around.


Always Pro-Gun!
 
It was mentioned by name, here are the lyrics from Steve Earle's "Devils Right Hand":

About the time that Daddy left to fight the big war
I saw my first pistol in the general store
In the general store, when I was thirteen
Thought it was the finest thing I ever had seen
So l asked if I could have one someday when I grew up
Mama dropped a dozen eggs, she really blew up
She really blew up and I didn't understand
Mama said the pistol is the devil's right hand

The devil's right hand, the devil's right hand
Mama said the pistol is the devil's right hand

My very first pistol was a cap and ball Colt
Shoot as fast as lightnin' but it loads a mite slow
Loads a mite slow and soon I found out
It can get you into trouble but it can't get you out
So then I went and bought myself a Colt 45
Called a peacemaker but I never knew why
Never knew why, I didn't understand
Cause Mama said the pistol is the devil's right hand

Well I get into a card game in a company town
Caught a miner cheating I shot the dog down
Shot the dog down, watched the man fall
Never touched his holster, never had a chance to draw
The trial was in the morning and they drug me out of bed
Asked me how I pleaded, not guilty I said
Not guilty I said, you've got the wrong man
Nothing touched the trigger but the devil's right hand


My favorite line - My very first pistol was a cap and ball Colt
Shoot as fast as lightnin' but it loads a mite slow
 
I wrote a song called "West of Here" about Old West outlaw gunfighter types, but it's out of print now. I may resurrect it on my next album. I really need to do a radical Pro-gun song.
 
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