guns and my fiancee

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Hey I just started a thread about parring down your collection to 10 maybe I should have got rid of the second digit.
Wow, the old guys are painting a bad picture here. Talk to her about and make it clear to her that you aren't going to flip out you just want to know what changed her perception of things. God only knows, maybe a friend just told her something stupid about guns, or some horror story. Now if she still acts irrational and controlling then you could have a problem. Otherwise I bet you can talk it out and she'll understand.
 
In all of these "wifey" threads there's always a strong chours of voices that warn you that this is all a control issue and that her fear and discomfort is just a red herring, etc.

Maybe so. Maybe she's got her hooks into you, is tightening the noose, is going to strangle the life out of you, and will keep your anatomy in a jar. Some women are like that. (Some men, too.)

Maybe not. You owe it to yourself and to her to explore the question instead of dismissing it as her tightening the leash on you. Many people ARE irrationally scared of guns. Many people, in fact I'd say MOST, display some half-formed thought patterns that are pretty dumb when drug out into the light. (i.e.: "Well, he's just got that one gun and that's probably o.k. But doesn't having TWO guns around DOUBLE our chances of getting shot? Yikes! I'm sure we'd be safer if he sold one." And other flights of illogical fancy.) If she's not a gun gal on her own, it's probably unreasonable to expect her to have put a lot of thought into the physics of gun safety, responsibility, self-defense, etc. You may have some very legitimate de-bugging to do -- and may be quite successful doing so.

My wife came from a completely NON-gun family. (Not "anti-" per se. Just "non.") Their total involvement with shooters before she met me could be summed up in that she and her brothers were not allowed to play in the back yard during hunting season lest somebody mistake them for deer.

I was a hunter when we met, and over time became a competative rifle shooter, developed a love of handgunning, kept multiple firearms for home-defence, participated heavily in action pistol competition, carry for self-defense, spend time weekly at the range, and have begun teaching our kids to shoot as well (as young as 3 years old). We've been together nearly 20 years, all told, and she has grown quite a lot in her appreciation and understanding of my views, habits, hobbies, skills, and interests. I've done a LOT of re-programming along the way. Just weeding out the stupid fluff that society implants in folks' minds about guns and shooting. She's been receptive, and we've rarely had a disagreement that even touched on firearms.

[EDIT: I should point out that the growth is far from one-sided. During those 2 decades I've weeded an embarassingly large pile of "stupid fluff" out of my own head as well. Some about guns & self-defense, and a LOT about other important things in life. If you find yourself always feeling like everyone around you needs to shape up to your view of the world, a happy marriage is probably not in your future! ;)]

But, we make decisions together. I don't spend our money wantonly on gun stuff with no regard for the financial balance of our family, and she doesn't try to cinch up the purse-strings when I do want to budget guns and shooting supplies. It's a respectful relationship, going both ways.

That's what you're aiming to make with this girl. You've got to decide if you and she can do that -- can BE that -- or not.

-Sam
 
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Forgot to discuss my own experiences with my fiance and guns.
My fiance when we met was not a crazy anti but her only exposure was a jerk boyfriend who was very unsafe and would spin the cylinder on his revolver and point it at people including her and pull the trigger. It was always unloaded as far as we know. That type of behavior is a tragedy waiting to happen or happened.

When she found my handgun and then opened my closet and saw "scary" guns she was dumbfounded. She could not understand that I had them for so long and she never saw me playing with them or telling people "I'll get my gun" over minor fights. After a long chat and review of all rules as well as reasons for guns for self defense she was willing to go to the range with me. She saw a bunch of guys having fun shooting rifles and she fell in love with skeet shooting. She was hooked on guns for fun. Does not hurt that we shoot best of five competitions with my friends and she was able to run the table with all my friends that were with us.

The best was the next time I had her staying at my apartment when I was working she was nervous. She was from far out on Long Island and was staying at my place in Queens. It was a great area but the simple fact it was "the city" scared her.
I bounce at bars so was going to be gone all night. She had me load a 12 gauge shotgun with buckshot "just in case". She wanted this over the handgun because in NY without a permit you cannot shoot it so she had no time on the gun. She told me "I thought I need to know how to use it right." That shotgun has been loaded and for her ever since. Now that we are in PA she has her LTCF and looking for her own handgun even though she claims all my guns.
 
Once carefully explained, reasoned, and discussed - she needs to TRUST your ability to make a sound rational decision realizing that you will not always agree on everything. If she (and you) can't do that then the problem is a larger one.
 
She's confused. We all get confused sometimes, just be nice (as others have said) and go slow. Your mother instilled some fear about a gun being used against her, and while it's always a possiblilty, show her what you/her can do to keep that from happening. Whatever you do don't compound the problem by just telling her to "don't worry about it" or "just trust me" or anything like that. Show her the way! and good luck!
 
Don't make it an issue. Carry on. Marry her and have kids. Buy more guns and take up hunting. When Mom or DW have their occasional fit, ignore it. Let it go. Brush it off and carry on. Give her the full freedom to do what she wishes, just as you'd like her to extend to you. Don't let them think this is an issue open to compromise by hashing it out with either of them. Carry on. Be loyal to her and give her all the love you can muster. Buy more guns and take her shooting as often as you can. Keep it up and carry on.


Just my 2¢
 
Sorry about your plight, no easy answers.

I too married a big city girl, never been around firearms. She mostly feared them out of a lack of knowledge. Now, keep in mind, I have two safes full of them and a whole room dedicated to reloading and ammunition, so I was worried it might become a deal breaker. But, with patients and teaching, she came to realize the weapons themselves presented no danger. By, taking her to several different kinds of events and activities, she seen the need for assortment. She now has her own, is well versed and well trained with it.
All I can say is, I am a lucky man.

Good luck.
 
To repeat what Sam 1911 did, using other words...

Tell her the truth. Tell her that this is what you like. Firearms ownership is part of who you are, and it's part of what makes you a happy, healthy, well-adjusted, and well-rounded person. To ask you to do without them would be asking you to suppress an important part of yourself, a perfectly normal and happy one. You derive satisfaction from collecting, owning, learning about, and becoming proficient with arms in the same way, for instance, that a golfer finds satisfaction in collecting, owning, learning about, and becoming proficient with his golf clubs and the whole game of golf. Except in this case, firearms have greater utility to satisfy that other essential part of your human nature, and that is to provide protection not only for yourself but, more importantly, your family. This is human nature. Specifically, it is the nature of men.

Does she have to accept this view? Not at all. But to not do so would be a failure to recognize that you enjoy things she does not, just as she likely enjoys things that you do not. Good relationships recognize and overcome this friction. As someone famous once said, we love despite, not because.

Those things said, if she fears, genuinely fears having guns (plural) in the home, that's an unhealthy and irrational response that has to be overcome, and likely won't be unless the very root of that fear is dealt with directly.
 
Yeah, women have no business bitching about the money spent on guns. My girlfriend has spent enough in the last two weeks to buy a decent gun -- mostly on underwear and shoes.

"Their is also the possibility that your fiance is willing to take any side your mother has as a way to solidify their relationship. Women sometimes see the older female as the source of family power and wants to be close to her as a way to be on the side of someone she sees could cause her a lot of problems."

Exactly what I thought. Watch out for that; it's like having two mothers.
 
the .357 by my bed, unloaded.

Won't do you much good, both because it's unloaded and because it's just a short gun. Maybe the solution is to relegate it to its proper role as a concealed carry piece and get a carbine or shotgun for home defense. There are in any case better ways to make it safe from kids besides keeping it unloaded.
 
Many people ARE irrationally scared of guns. Many people, in fact I'd say MOST, display some half-formed thought patterns that are pretty dumb when drug out into the light. (i.e.: "Well, he's just got that one gun and that's probably o.k. But doesn't having TWO guns around DOUBLE our chances of getting shot? Yikes! I'm sure we'd be safer if he sold one." And other flights of illogical fancy.)

And if you're a gun guy, marriage to someone like that would be hell.

Earlier this year when I was on my way to becoming a member of the "Colt of the month club", my wife and I had a discussion on my buying more guns. I pointed out to her that I don't have a drinking problem, and am not spending the money on gambling, drugs or running around with other women. There's a lot worse things I can be spending money on than something that makes me happy (and she enjoys shooting to some extent as well, has her own pistol, a carry permit and is a life member of the NRA too,) She saw my point. ;)
 
Won't do you much good, both because it's unloaded and because it's just a short gun. Maybe the solution is to relegate it to its proper role as a concealed carry piece and get a carbine or shotgun for home defense. There are in any case better ways to make it safe from kids besides keeping it unloaded.
He can always throw it at the guy that enters the bedroom in the middle of the night. Don't forget, even Superman used to flinch, when after emptying the gun at his chest, the BG would throw it at him. ;)
 
Well, I used to have 8 guns (stupidly sold them when I needed money), and she had no problem at all. Im slowly rebuilding my collection. They were out of the way, (loaded, but she didnt know), and she never said anything. Its only now after my mom said something, that shes acting like this. Ill talk to her some more, she told me she didnt mind me getting my CCW permit though. I think my mom might have just scared her by making me seem irresponsible with them or something.
This is a tough situation.

Talking good.

How about buying a safe to put them all in? Cost $300-$500. Fiancee happy: priceless.

How about buy her a gun of her very own or signing her up for some good lessons on training?

Good luck.

As for your mom, mine is the same way. I'm older and it no longer matters about her topic on the matter.

Another possibility, let her read the Armed Citizen reports from the NRA monthly mags. I had a girlfriend (now an ex) who didn't really like guns. We went on a road trip and I brought a handgun for things that go bump in the night that could harms us. It was a big deal and bothered her. Early in the trip we were staying at a friends house in the country. He told us a story of his next door neighbor who was brutally attacked in a fight that lasted 5 to 20 minutes (yes, that long). Blood everywhere. Needed to remove carpet and sheetrock, etc. We were in a quaint area in a peacefull community. That night, I mentioned to my gf that the gun was in the car. She said "what are you waiting for, go get it." The reality of how anywhere bad things can happen totally changed her stance on the topic. We never had a problem after that. She never wanted to shoot but then was totally o.k. with me doing it. Just a thought.
 
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I decided to load it up after reading the posts and put it the soft case I originally bought for the 9mm. Tiff is not the typical "lets go shopping" type of girl. She hates pink, doesnt carry a purse and never will, doesnt wear makeup or do her hair, and wants to go hunting with my buddy and I whenever I can convince him to actually go. After talking to her earlier, it seems shes more scared of the self-defense aspect, rather than the guns themselves. Her main deal is that shes worried about my 15 month old son getting into them (he only comes over once every 2 weeks). What would be the best way to secure guns at home yet still be able to use them if needed?
 
That's a whole 'nother issue. Get a safe you can easily get into and keep the pistol in it.
 
Now this problem I understand. I had a Ruger GP 100 in the top drawer of my nightstand, loaded withe the hammer resting on an empty chamber. I had a little girl and as she started walking, I got a little concerned about her maybe getting ahold of it and dropping it. I don't know if dropping a double action on the hammer could fire one or not, but I didn't want to take the chance. I got an auto in .40 cal and kept it in the same place without one in the pipe. It takes a second to rack the slide and there's no way a small child could do it. To me that's the safest method. By the time a kid is big and strong enough to rack a slide on an auto, he should already be taught about gun safety and responsibility. I say go with your 9mm and don't chamber one.
 
So, now you've added to your story... a 15 month old son who visits/does not live with you and a fiancee who may or may not be living with you already and is probably not the mother of the 15 month old. Perhaps your judgment is lacking in various other areas as well and your fiancee is more legitimately concerned than we were previously led to believe?
 
How is that lacking judgment? I dont keep either one just laying around, and he wont be able to get into my room anyway, the door can be locked.
 
Just remember, folks, when

You get married, the

Word fiancee immediately transforms into finances,

Which is harder on guns and ammo that

The antis ever were.

"It ain't my age, its the mileage."


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This problem will not solve itself over night. It's going to take time. First thing, continue loving your woman. Whatever she wants to have, within reasonable means, left her have it. Secondly, keep your guns. In time, she will slowly accept it.

2 years into our marriage, I decided to buy my first gun - 10 years ago. She adamantly was against it. It took 2 LOOOONG months before she agreed to it. But slowly agreed to it. But just this year I recieved my concealed pistol license. At first she didn't like the idea of my carrying. I just told her that I wanted to. Coincidentally, I took over the kitchen. I did ALL the cooking for lunch and dinner. In a way, I was being a better husband. I think it rubbed into her slowly. She allowed me to carry, even in church and NEVER said anything when I came home with ANOTHER gun.

I guess the secret is to show that you "deserve" to have what you want.

Good luck!
 
Seriously, you need to reconsider your plan to marry her.

She's already controlling you. And it ain't gonna get better after you get married. It's gonna get worse.

Sorry, I know this isn't what you want to hear, and I'm not trying to be a jerk. I suppose advice is worth what you pay for it, but still...you better think twice.


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my wife was the same way before we got married. Make sure you hash everything out before you get married. I just kept pushing the issue and she caved eventually. I'd say push it and she will either cave or leave. Do you really want a wife who wont let you have guns?
 
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