Plastic Cowboy
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loki- this is not a caliber war. It's a friendly discussion about the pro's and con's of a new technological development in firearms technology and I for one find it quite interesting. Afterall- The purpose of this forum is for enthusiasts such as our selves to congregate and discuss the topics that interest us.
We can all ready see from this discussion that in specific situations where enemies may be armored the Five seveN may be a good choice in a P90 SMG. However as a last resort to stop an unarmored enemy a close range, especially one anxious to blow himself up in order to kill you, you will probably be better off with a large heavy bone smashing round at low enough velocity to manage recoil. I apologize for the gruesome description here but the physical shock of a heavy bullet crashing through bone, organs, and muscle might stop a hostile more quickly than the small piercing wound channel created by the five seveN. Especially when shot placement as you call it is concerned.
It is so very important to remember that shot placement is a really more of a hunting concept. In the chaos of combat when your azz and those of your buddies are on the line there is no such thing as shot placement!! You do not have time to line up for a good clean shot as if you are sitting comfortably in a deer stand. If your primary weapon is down and some crazed jihadist is comming right at you, what you are going to do is raise whatever pistol you happen to have and start pumping rounds- if you are well trained you will may remain calm enough to aim center mass but you may panic or not even have a clean shot. When there are obstructions, arms or legs may be all you can see. A five seven, or even a .22rim fire will punch holes in the bad guy and may even kill him but not before he reaches you or hits his detonator. A heavy .45ACP hardball though hits hard enough that it will usually shock the system enough to physically stop the bad guy. Even a hit in the arm or leg will shatter bone rendering that appendage useless. The key requirement in self defense is immediate incapacitation afterall.
...not trying to start a fight here, just a friendly difference of opinion
We can all ready see from this discussion that in specific situations where enemies may be armored the Five seveN may be a good choice in a P90 SMG. However as a last resort to stop an unarmored enemy a close range, especially one anxious to blow himself up in order to kill you, you will probably be better off with a large heavy bone smashing round at low enough velocity to manage recoil. I apologize for the gruesome description here but the physical shock of a heavy bullet crashing through bone, organs, and muscle might stop a hostile more quickly than the small piercing wound channel created by the five seveN. Especially when shot placement as you call it is concerned.
It is so very important to remember that shot placement is a really more of a hunting concept. In the chaos of combat when your azz and those of your buddies are on the line there is no such thing as shot placement!! You do not have time to line up for a good clean shot as if you are sitting comfortably in a deer stand. If your primary weapon is down and some crazed jihadist is comming right at you, what you are going to do is raise whatever pistol you happen to have and start pumping rounds- if you are well trained you will may remain calm enough to aim center mass but you may panic or not even have a clean shot. When there are obstructions, arms or legs may be all you can see. A five seven, or even a .22rim fire will punch holes in the bad guy and may even kill him but not before he reaches you or hits his detonator. A heavy .45ACP hardball though hits hard enough that it will usually shock the system enough to physically stop the bad guy. Even a hit in the arm or leg will shatter bone rendering that appendage useless. The key requirement in self defense is immediate incapacitation afterall.
...not trying to start a fight here, just a friendly difference of opinion
