Florida bill could hand gun owners huge win, make the US a constitutional carry majority country

Florida Retail Federation and Disney are very likely to stop this, especially if it includes open carry.

Florida makes a decent amount of money in permit fees with 2 million resident permits. FDACS is not about regulation on CCW, security licenses, or any other licenses- they just want the money. There isn't much incentive for the government to just hand people the right for free.

It's not the first time constitutional carry has been proposed and shut down. I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
Less full constitutional carry they can keep it as far as this Floridian is concerned...............What you are seeing is the 'rhino' mentality of our legislature that would be currently doing zilch if Ron DeSantis had not voiced support......

Need to keep the heat on those reps until we get what we really want. Perhaps, just perhaps it is time for a sacrificial lamb on the open carry issue. We damn near had it a couple years back and less a couple of now not sitting FSC judges voted negatively.
In truth, history/text and tradition as an analysis base would play VERY well in our favor!
 
Florida Retail Federation and Disney are very likely to stop this, especially if it includes open carry.

Florida makes a decent amount of money in permit fees with 2 million resident permits. FDACS is not about regulation on CCW, security licenses, or any other licenses- they just want the money. There isn't much incentive for the government to just hand people the right for free.

It's not the first time constitutional carry has been proposed and shut down. I wouldn't hold my breath.

Not being from Florida, I don’t know much about the politics down there. What’s in it for Disney to try to shut it down? And do they have the political clout to do so?
 
Not being from Florida, I don’t know much about the politics down there. What’s in it for Disney to try to shut it down? And do they have the political clout to do so?
Not at the moment. They are too busy shelling out huge lobbyist cash to try and retain their special administrative status and tax breaks to take on another hot-button Leftist political stance.
Despite the sometimes loud pushback from the usual Democrat suspects- teachers unions, urban Mayors, etc- the majority of FL is firmly behind Desantis. The timing will never be better for Constitutional carry, it will fly through the legislature in the upcoming session.
 
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I know … just trying to use terminology that other states use. Every other state uses CCP but not here
Oklahoma has an SDA permit. Self Defense Act permit.

But, we are (now) also a no-permit State, for carry inside the State.
However, for your Oklahoma SDA permit to be recognized in other States, one must have a permit, so I maintain mine.

Funny thing about Okrahoma law - in Okieland, one may carry howsoever they are qualified to carry in their State of Residence.
So, prior to permitless carry, Okieland residents could not carry in Oklahoma without a permit: but Maine residents could.
 
Congratulations!!!

Believe it or not… It’s very easy to get a CCP here in WA. No class, to training, $50 for 5 years and mailed to your house

It's goofy to me that WA is way cheaper than FL, and has no training requirement, yet won't recognize a FL permit. And it's because we allow 18 year olds in the military to get a license. I've been keeping a ND permit in case I need to travel to WA or MN.
 
It's goofy to me that WA is way cheaper than FL, and has no training requirement, yet won't recognize a FL permit. And it's because we allow 18 year olds in the military to get a license. I've been keeping a ND permit in case I need to travel to WA or MN.
Washington was a very free gun state at one point, like 5 years ago. Not that long ago. We still have open carry here, and I know Florida don’t (unless you’re hunting or fishing, or coming and going from such activities). I hope Florida gets Constitutional Carry soon!!! But on the real, I don’t feel unsafe in Florida! I can’t carry there, but never really felt like I needed to. But if I could I would, little LCP Max in my pink fishing shorts!!! YES
 
Yep; the NRA is already claiming they did it all without the help of any other organizations. The Florida Rino's are trying to throw a bone out to the conservative branch. All the other rules still in place just you don't have to have a license.

South Florida is Liberal but they have more Gun Stores, Gun Ranges and Gun Shows then the rest of the state altogether, so the legislature has to walk a fine line.
 
Not at the moment. They are too busy shelling out huge lobbyist cash to try and retain their special administrative status and tax breaks to take on another hot-button Leftist political stance.
Despite the sometimes loud pushback from the usual Democrat suspects- teachers unions, urban Mayors, etc- the majority of FL is firmly behind Desantis. The timing will never be better for Constitutional carry, it will fly through the legislature in the upcoming session.

I would certainly not put it past Disney to try and shut it down, probabally as part of a conspiracy with other anti-American elements that want to get rid of the 2A. Each has something the other wants.
Disney is an influence that needs to be tamed. Florida needs a theme park tax that will drain the company of cash to pay off lobbyists and force them out of the picture.
 
Unfortunately Florida doesn't have an organization like the one in Virginia (VDL) or other states have that helps with gun rights.

We have Two organizations based off the NRA, but if you ask gun owners who they are NO ONE can name them most of time.

So, Disney definitely has the advantage; read the story about how Disney got the land will for the park may definitely change your opinion of Walt.
 
Geez. Everything but "it's for the children".

https://www.news4jax.com/news/local...others-say-it-will-lead-to-more-gun-violence/

It's not as if you can't drive around everywhere in FL with a loaded gun in the glovebox with no permit and no training. I don't see what the big deal is with allowing someone to go ahead and carry it.


I stopped watching New4jaxs when CNN purchased them. All their news has a liberal slant. But you definitely right everyone has one in their car.
 
Unfortunately Florida doesn't have an organization like the one in Virginia (VDL) or other states have that helps with gun rights.

We have Two organizations based off the NRA, but if you ask gun owners who they are NO ONE can name them most of time.

So, Disney definitely has the advantage; read the story about how Disney got the land will for the park may definitely change your opinion of Walt.


Right on! The VCDL influenced the creation of the WVaCL...........and the results were stupendous......that latter is now fully CC a far far cry from my childhood there when it was illegal to even take ones pistol anywhere for casual shooting.......licenses were available, to the powerful and rich, and no one else.

Dunno 'bout the VCDL origins but the WVA version is truly the child of one activist that fueled the fire for reform, don't recall the name, but it occurs that he was either a young law student or newly minted bar member........Perhaps there is a lesson in that experience for us!
 
I haven't read the bill text, nor any comprehensive summary of it. It's quite likely that it will not be "true constitutional carry" in that it won't extend to open carry, or that of long guns.
 
Here is Florida Carry input for emails to the Florida House.

"Suggested body:

Please support HB 543 - Carry of Concealed Weapons and Firearms Without a License

This bill is an important step toward true constitutional carry, and underscores that the rights of law-abiding citizens are superior to those of violent criminals, who carry for illegal purposes daily without any government permission. At the very least, this bill gives Floridians a fighting chance to prevail in the event of attack.

I urge you to vote in favor of this important bill."
 
Latest update from Florida Carry

Florida's unlicensed concealed-carry bill under fire

HB 543 has caused confusion because of comparisons to Constitutional Carry.

by Lee Williams
When Gov. Ron DeSantis signs HB 543: Concealed Carry of Weapons and Firearms Without a License, few Floridians will even notice. The sun will continue to shine. The citrus won’t fall off the trees, and the streets most certainly will not run red with blood.
The legislation: “Authorizes person to carry concealed weapon or concealed firearm if he or she is licensed to do so or meets specified requirements; requires person who is carrying concealed weapon or concealed firearm without license to carry identification & display upon demand by law enforcement; prohibits person who is carrying concealed weapon or concealed firearm without license from carrying such weapon or firearm in specified locations; authorizes nonresident to carry concealed weapon or concealed firearm in this state if he or she meets same requirements as resident; provides person authorized to carry concealed weapon or concealed firearm without license is subject to specified penalties for possessing such weapon or firearm at school-sponsored event or on school property.”
HB 543 was only introduced this week, yet it is already creating confusion because of comparisons to constitutional carry.
Twenty-five states have already passed constitutional carry, which is usually defined as unlicensed or permitless carry, in which law-abiding gun owners can decide for themselves whether to carry a defensive firearm openly or concealed.
HB 543 accomplishes half of that. There is no longer a training or licensing requirement, but there is no open-carry option. The bill requires firearms to be carried concealed, which has led to some debate about what to call the legislation. Is it constitutional carry? Is it unlicensed carry? Is it something else?
What cannot be debated is that HB 543 is the single largest expansion of gun rights in Florida since 1987, when shall-issue concealed carry was introduced in the state. The bill removes the need to obtain a permission slip from the government before carrying a defensive firearm. For law-abiding Floridians, this is a major restoration of their civil rights. They no longer will need to consent to fingerprinting, mug shots and background checks like a common criminal, before bending a knee and begging the State to sell them back their constitutional rights for $97.
To be clear, pro-gun advocacy is not going to stop once Gov. DeSantis signs the bill. There is still much work to be done. Floridians need an open-carry option, since carrying a firearm openly is exactly what the Framers had in mind when they wrote the Second Amendment. Open Carry is the bearing part of our right to keep and bear arms. Anything less is an infringement. The remnants of the Parkland bill still need to be cleaned up, too. The gun rights of 18-20-year-olds need to be restored, and Red Flag laws – which are patently unconstitutional – need to be repealed.
False narratives
Much of the media’s angst toward HB 543 has been focused on the removal of the training requirement, even though it likely would never have passed strict constitutional muster. After all, the government does not require training before entering a voting booth or a house of worship.
As a result, some journalists have labeled the bill “untrained carry,” which couldn’t be further from the truth. Floridians understand that carrying a defensive firearm is a heady responsibility, and they seek out professional training long before ever holstering a handgun.
By far the single most laughable claim is that the bill will make it easier for criminals to carry concealed arms, as if there are gangs of unarmed thugs waiting patiently in their seedy lairs for the governor’s signature on the bill, so they can carry guns without breaking the law. Criminals have never cared about gun laws, and they never will.
The media forgets this is nothing new. It has all been done before. Constitutional carry, unlicensed carry or whatever you prefer to call it, is already the law of the land in half of the country. The horrors that these pundits predict will befall Florida never happened in 25 states, far from it. However, the biggest sin committed by these doomsday prognosticators is what they aren’t saying.
HB 543 will save lives, which is something not one of the cable TV news actors has ever mentioned. The bill allows someone to legally arm themselves right now, without waiting for a license to be processed and approved. This immediacy likely would have saved Cassie Carlie, who was last seen alive March 27, 2022, in the parking lot of a restaurant in Navarre, Florida meeting with her boyfriend who was the father of her 4-year-old daughter. Carli’s body was found two weeks later in a barn in Alabama, buried in a shallow grave. Her boyfriend was arrested and charged with her murder.

During the weeks preceding her death, Carli expressed concern about her personal safety, her family said. She was afraid of her boyfriend and likely sensed something was wrong. She planned to apply for a Florida concealed-carry license but was never able to complete the lengthy process. HB 543 would have allowed the 37-year-old single mom to legally arm herself without waiting for a government permission slip and could have saved her life.
That’s the real benefit of this bill. It’s a lifesaver. It makes it easier for good men and women to defend themselves. Marine, author and legendary trainer, Col. Jeff Cooper, said it best:
“The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles.”
Since HB 543 does not allow for the carrying of rifles, the good men and women of the Sunshine state will have to issue their corrections with pistols. HB 543 allows them to do just that, without anyone’s permission.

Lee Williams is a member of Florida Carry's board of directors.
 

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I would certainly not put it past Disney to try and shut it down, probabally as part of a conspiracy with other anti-American elements that want to get rid of the 2A. Each has something the other wants.
Disney is an influence that needs to be tamed. Florida needs a theme park tax that will drain the company of cash to pay off lobbyists and force them out of the picture.
Sadly that is just as wrong as taxing gun owners out of existence.
Wrong can't be beat by wrong. Because it just gets worse.
My question is where was all the pro gun politicians when we had the House Senate and President?
We've seen it all before.
 
Sadly that is just as wrong as taxing gun owners out of existence.
Wrong can't be beat by wrong. Because it just gets worse.
My question is where was all the pro gun politicians when we had the House Senate and President?
We've seen it all before.
Well, I agree about the so-called Pro 2A politicians.

However, the other side made the rules. If one doesn't play by the same set, one has already lost.

One thing I learned very well whilst working for Our Crazy Uncle:
The aggressor makes the rules.

Wasn't it Saul Alinsky that said "...use their own rules against them..."?
 
Here's another update from Florida Carry. My Opinion: What's going on is the Rino's in the state capital are throwing the Conservative Republican voter's a bone, so they don't start voting Independent. Because in the last election the Republicans got a lot of DemRep's (Democrats that vote Republican think of Mr. Reagan one of biggest DemRep's of the 20th Century). Just my take by talking to them.

Please attend the House Subcommittee on Constitutional Rights to Support HB 543 - Concealed Carry of Weapons and Firearms Without a License

When Floridians need their Right to Bear Arms for Self-Defense, Government permission is months away.

It is long overdue that the State of Florida get out of they way of law abiding gun owners when they wish to exercise their right to carry. HB 543 will save innocent lives by empowering Floridians to defend themselves without waiting many weeks or months for a license to exercise a fundamental right.

HB 543 will be heard by the House Subcommittee on Constitutional Rights, Rule of Law & Government Operations at 2 p.m., Tuesday, February 7, 2023.

We ask that you to attend the committee hearing at Webster Hall in the 212 Knott Building of the State Capitol this Tuesday. Our legislators need to hear your voice about how this bill will impact your life and the lives of your loved ones. Even if you don't approach the microphone, your presence will speak volumes.

You can submit your appearance request Here to go on record as a proponent of the bill and either speak to the committee or simply "Waive in Support" of the bill.

Business professional attire is customary, a blue shirt or outfit will help identify you as a pro-2A attendee.

Remember that any time you contact legislators, your message will be best received when you are courteous and respectful yet firm and clear in your message. Be sure to keep your comments brief yet concise.

To borrow a phrase:

‘Be polite, Be Professional, and Have a Plan to Inform Every Legislator You Meet.’

Knott Building, 601-631 S Duval St, Tallahassee, FL 32399
Thank you for your continued support.

-- Florida Carry Board of Directors
 

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