Florida bill could hand gun owners huge win, make the US a constitutional carry majority country

[Paul7]

Having little to do with what happens in Tallahassee.

Huh, you don't think it matter which party controls the legislature? Do you think Constitutional carry would have just passed if Dems were in charge?

The same Florida state lawmakers who increased the age to purchase firearms form an FFL and extended the three-day wait to include long guns – a three-day wait those with a concealed weapon license aren’t subject to.

You're sort of proving my point, in 2018 when the waiting period was put in place the GOP had a smaller majority, I doubt that would pass today.

 

[wayneinFL]

Having little to do with what happens in Tallahassee.

The same Florida state lawmakers who increased the age to purchase firearms form an FFL and extended the three-day wait to include long guns – a three-day wait those with a concealed weapon license aren’t subject to.

I was flabbergasted to see that in a state so solidly run by Republicans. State House, Senate, and Governor all Republicans and spit out a gun control bill.

 

[dannyd]

I was flabbergasted to see that in a state so solidly run by Republicans. State House, Senate, and Governor all Republicans and spit out a gun control bill. ***?

Look at the State History; We have more DemReps (Democrat one day Republican the next) than you think. Look at old Charlie he would have become anything to keep from getting a real job.

 

[Paul7]

Look at the State History; We have more DemReps (Democrat one day Republican the next) than you think.

Much better than many states where they are Dem on day and commie the next.

Look at old Charlie he would have become anything to keep from getting a real job.

And old Charlie lost here by 20 last time.

 

[usaral63]

The simple truth is that these rhinos are in their basic form transplants from deep blue jurisdictions.........mostly in the metro NE, what else can you expect? Look at the demographics for south florida, south west florida and the mouse kingdom..........NY & NJ are written all over those locales. I4 might be a rough dividing line, but even that's kinda blurry. I truly believe that if held to their genuine political belief structure most of our rhino political population would edge out on the democratic side of the line. It's just more convenient to be a republican in a republican controlled state.

Most importantly tho, you cannot change their points of reference, they are what they are and will remain so!

 

[dannyd]

Much better than many states where they are Dem on day and commie the next.



And old Charlie lost here by 20 last time.

Been in Florida from 1976 and old Charlie won once and his kind will again it's just fashionable to be a Republican now; kind of like the1960's when the Democrats like Mr. Reagan and Texas Governor John Connally moved over to the Republican Party.

 

[Necessary_Nutrient]

Personally, I like the system of required training and a modicum of legal and safety knowledge provided by the mandatory class and license here in NE. More of the people I see muzzle sweeping the line at the range- or even worse- walking around in condition "0" with zero required training or knowledge doesn't really make us more free.

In my opinion, a conservative approach recognizes the great responsibility and need for accountability by those who choose to carry.

As long as it's a "Shall Issue" situation- where the permit can only be denied for causes similar to the yellow form issues- I think the licensing requirements protect the public and gun owner's rights at the same time.

 

[usaral63]

Y'know Necessary I might, just might somewhat agree with you if the same criteria was attached to every single other provision of the BOR.....For sure and certain we OUGHT to be requiring general civics and government classes, then too we OUGHT to mandate firearms safety classes, just as most jurisdictions do driver safety training..................course that last is just a bit too radical. Too, how well would a comparetive religion course sit in extremely conservative areas much less mandates to teach the responsibility that comes with free speech or of the press. The holy press!

 

[Paul7]

Been in Florida from 1976 and old Charlie won once and his kind will again it's just fashionable to be a Republican now; kind of like the1960's when the Democrats like Mr. Reagan and Texas Governor John Connally moved over to the Republican Party.

It isn't about fashion, but math, FL now has a majority of GOP registered voters, and growing.

 

[pharmer]

Been in Florida from 1976 and old Charlie won once and his kind will again it's just fashionable to be a Republican now.

No, 'ol Charlie is done (just like the "Looney Tune" tobacco suing lawyer). He was done when he was on TV ads with Morgan and Morgan "For the Money!" They bought him then and everybody has known it since. Folks in Florida are lazy, not stupid and at least half pay attention. Joe

 

[AlexanderA]

I think the licensing requirements protect the public and gun owner's rights at the same time.

Perhaps, but with one important caveat -- that the licensee database not be routinely available to patrol officers. To me, that's the main drawback to licensing schemes. They expose you to potentially dangerous and unwanted attention. As the saying goes, "never invite the Man into your life."

In Virginia, we have the paradoxical situation where carry licenses are known to patrol officers, but machine gun registrations are not.

 

[usaral63]

Machine gun registrations are also not available in Florida.......registrations in and of themselves on this State's level are illegal by statute.. Good idea to carry your paperwork if out and about tho. Last I heard the licensing database was not generally available on FCIC and required a direct contact with the issuing authority.............course I've been out of the game for a couple of decades now, but it presented no major issues up thru the late '90s.

 

[wayneinFL]

Personally, I like the system of required training and a modicum of legal and safety knowledge provided by the mandatory class and license here in NE. More of the people I see muzzle sweeping the line at the range- or even worse- walking around in condition "0" with zero required training or knowledge doesn't really make us more free.

In my opinion, a conservative approach recognizes the great responsibility and need for accountability by those who choose to carry.

As long as it's a "Shall Issue" situation- where the permit can only be denied for causes similar to the yellow form issues- I think the licensing requirements protect the public and gun owner's rights at the same time.

Our training requirement is technically a one shot requirement. There are instructors who have signed off on someone firing a shot into a clearing barrel. And it's been common since at least the 70s for everyone to drive around with a handgun in the glovebox. I don't think we have any more firearms accidents than Nebraska, but I could be wrong.

 

[Necessary_Nutrient]

Our training was quite a bit more extensive it sounds like. Talked about the legal ramifications of use of force and when it could be considered justified, brandishing laws and other concerns like drinking/drugs, concealment methods, etc. The firing test was 20 rounds (total) at two different ranges if I remember correctly. Not difficult for any of us, I'm sure, but would weed out the people who buy one and then never even go to a range with it.

 

[wayneinFL]

Our training was quite a bit more extensive it sounds like. Talked about the legal ramifications of use of force and when it could be considered justified, brandishing laws and other concerns like drinking/drugs, concealment methods, etc. The firing test was 20 rounds (total) at two different ranges if I remember correctly. Not difficult for any of us, I'm sure, but would weed out the people who buy one and then never even go to a range with it.

Florida doesn't have a "CCW course" like some other states do. Instructors and companies will advertise a concealed weapons permits course, and explain some laws, but it's not a requirement, rhere's no stabdard for the curriculum, and there's no qualification for these people who are essentially giving legal advice.

First time I ever shot a gun was a single shot from a revolver at a $35 gun show course.

Any course where you have shot a gun in front of an NRA or state certified instructor will work. Hunter safety course, for example. Military or law enforcement counts- for example a DD214 meets the competency requirement.

From 790.06:

(h) Demonstrates competence with a firearm by any one of the following:
1. Completion of any hunter education or hunter safety course approved by the Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission or a similar agency of another state;
2. Completion of any National Rifle Association firearms safety or training course;
3. Completion of any firearms safety or training course or class available to the general public offered by a law enforcement agency, junior college, college, or private or public institution or organization or firearms training school, using instructors certified by the National Rifle Association, Criminal Justice Standards and Training Commission, or the Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services;
4. Completion of any law enforcement firearms safety or training course or class offered for security guards, investigators, special deputies, or any division or subdivision of a law enforcement agency or security enforcement;
5. Presents evidence of equivalent experience with a firearm through participation in organized shooting competition or military service;
6. Is licensed or has been licensed to carry a firearm in this state or a county or municipality of this state, unless such license has been revoked for cause; or
7. Completion of any firearms training or safety course or class conducted by a state-certified or National Rifle Association certified firearms instructor;

A photocopy of a certificate of completion of any of the courses or classes; an affidavit from the instructor, school, club, organization, or group that conducted or taught such course or class attesting to the completion of the course or class by the applicant; or a copy of any document that shows completion of the course or class or evidences participation in firearms competition shall constitute evidence of qualification under this paragraph. A person who conducts a course pursuant to subparagraph 2., subparagraph 3., or subparagraph 7., or who, as an instructor, attests to the completion of such courses, must maintain records certifying that he or she observed the student safely handle and discharge the firearm in his or her physical presence and that the discharge of the firearm included live fire using a firearm and ammunition as defined in s. 790.001;

 

[AlexanderA]

In Virginia, the training requirement for a carry permit used to be almost a joke. The course could be taken online. In the remote possibility that you didn't pass the test at the end, you could repeat it until you did.

Since 2020, the online training has been abolished. Now, most local gun shops offer in-person training, and the courses are also available at the larger gun shows.

At no time has the actual firing of a weapon been a requirement of the course.

 

[P5 Guy]

Democrats like Mr. Reagan and Texas Governor John Connally moved over to the Republican Party.

Or did the dems slide left out from under them?

 

[wayneinFL]

In Virginia, the training requirement for a carry permit used to be almost a joke. The course could be taken online. In the remote possibility that you didn't pass the test at the end, you could repeat it until you did.

Since 2020, the online training has been abolished. Now, most local gun shops offer in-person training, and the courses are also available at the larger gun shows.

At no time has the actual firing of a weapon been a requirement of the course.

I took the online course for Virginia. I felt like I got everything I needed out of it.

 

[pharmer]

I took the online course for Virginia. I felt like I got everything I needed out of it.

I got my CWP in 1988. 8 hours at the "Alibi Range" north of Colonial in Orlando. 4 hrs range, 4 hours classroom. Learned a good bit from the USMC WWII, Korea, Vietnam vet who ran it including him being able to pick up 12 "unfamiliar revolvers with 1 round randomly inserted in each and him placing it in the forehead of 12 B 27 targets at 50 ft. "The guns don't miss" he said. Half my life ago I didn't either. Since we don't need a permit anymore there should be an "Enhanced course" with specified training and qualification so we could avail ourselves of the LEOSA privilege. Won't happen though. Joe