Flying with Guns....Need help.

[phantomak47]

I have flown on two seperate occasions with firearms, not having a problem either time. One was a hunting rifle and the other was a shotgun.


Ok this is where is gets tricky, I need your help.

I am a resident of Massachusetts , but I go to school in Alabama.I have not changed residencey or anything like that. I am graduating from U of A this summer and then I plan on moving to Texas to start my landscaping company up. I want to bring my Ak-47 and SKS to alabama so I dont have to waste money on a ffl transfer.

Problem, my Ma LTC Class A expired and since I didnt want to stay their, I did not renew it.I am flying out of Providence RI, and I was wondering if I can get into any legal problems or do you think if by chance I got questioned with some "evil looking weapons" I could get into trouble in RI since my MA permit is expired or since I am not breaking any laws since I do not think assault rifles are illegal in RI that I could get into trouble for not having a MA permit?

If this is any help, I have FL, PA and NH permits to carry.


What do yall think about flying with aks and SKS? When I took my hunting rifle out in RI, people were shocked since I dont think many of them had even seen a gun before. Do you think I should just send them through an ffl?


Providence airport in both cases the baggage screeners took my weapons out and they didnt go through the scanner.

One last question, what is the deal now with the red tag, I thought I read somewhere that it should be in the case?

thanks for the help.

 

[alsipd]

The MASS legal way to do this

:banghead: The Mass legal way to do this is to have someone with a Class A LTC take them to a licensed dealer and transfer them to another dealer in Alabama. This is because your license expired.

You might be able to get away with shipping them to a "Gunsmith" in Alabama for some "repair", then collect them when you get there since you are allowed to ship guns yourself without an FFL to an FFL licensed dealer out of state for "repair".

Another way is to have someone else with a Class A LTC take them to the airport, go on the flight with you to retrieve them, and then fly back to Mass. Any way you look at it not renewing you Mass LTC will cost you much more than the $100.00 renewal fee would have. I wish there were another way!

By the way, this state has the most assinine gun restrictions in the country. Good for you for getting the $%^& out and going to one of the free states of America.

 

[Harry Tuttle]

federal law permits you to ship them to yourself

 

[phantomak47]

so I could just ship them from Ma to my house in alabama?


I would assume that it would be best to use Ups?

 

[Blue Line]

why don't you throw them in the trunk and drive to Al la bamie?

 

[phantomak47]

I am in Alabama right now, and I am flying to Ma for 2 weeks then flying back.

 

[Harry Tuttle]

http://www.atf.treas.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b8

(B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U. S. Postal Service? [Back]


A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. A nonlicensee may not transfer any firearm to a nonlicensed resident of another state. The Postal Service recommends that longguns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms.


(B9) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm by carrier? [Back]


A nonlicensee may ship a firearm by carrier to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. A common or contract carrier must be
used to ship a handgun. In addition, Federal law requires that the carrier be notified that the shipment contains a firearm and prohibits common or contract
carriers from requiring or causing any label to be placed on any package indicating that it contains a firearm. [18 U. S. C. 922( a)( 2)( A) and 922( e), 27 CFR 178.31]



(B10) May a nonlicensee ship firearms interstate for his or her use in hunting or other lawful activity? [Back]


Yes. A person may ship a firearm to himself or herself in care of another person in the state where he or she intends to hunt or engage in any other lawful activity. The package should be addressed to the owner. Persons other than the owner should not open the package and take possession of the firearm.


(B11) May a person who is relocating out-of-state move firearms with other household goods? [Back]


Yes. A person who lawfully possesses a firearm may transport or ship the firearm interstate when changing his or her state of residence. Certain NFA firearms must have prior approval from the Bureau of ATF, NFA Branch, Washington, DC 20226, before they may be moved interstate. The person must notify the mover that firearms are being transported. He or she should also check state and local laws where relocating to ensure that movement of firearms into the new state does not violate any state law or local ordinance. [18 U. S. C. 922( a)( 4), 27 CFR 178.28 and 178.31]

http://www.gunbroker.com/Support/SupportFAQView.asp?FAQID=1118&NoCount=1
Shipment by Unlicensed Persons

Any shipper who does not have a Federal Firearms License (FFL) is considered to be an 'unlicensed person'. This section contains information on how unlicensed persons can ship firearms. If you have an FFL, please skip to the next section for shipping suggestions.

The most important thing to know is that you must only ship guns to a licensed dealer. If the buyer is not a licensed dealer, he will have to make arrangements with a dealer in his state to ship the item to.

Before you ship a gun, the buyer must mail you a copy of the dealer's FFL license, signed in blue or red ink. You can only ship the gun to the address on the license. You must inform the carrier that the package contains a firearm. Of course, the firearm cannot be shipped loaded; ammunition may not be shipped in the same box. You should take the copy of the signed FFL with you when you take the item to be shipped in case the shipper wishes to see it.

Notes on specific shippers:

US Mail: An unlicensed person can ship a rifle or shotgun by US Mail. Unlicensed persons cannot ship a handgun by US Mail. Postal regulations allow the Post Office to open your package for inspection. Ammunition cannot be shipped by US Mail. You can search the US Post Offer Postal Explorer site for specific USPS regulations regarding firearms and ammunition.

FedEx: FedEx will only ship firearms via their Priority Overnight service. Ammunition must be shipped as dangerous goods.

UPS: UPS will accept handgun shipments by Next Day Air only. Rifles and shotguns can be shipped by UPS ground service. UPS will accept shipments of ammunition. UPS does not allow shipment of firearms FROM an unlicensed person (even to an FFL), unless the stated reason for the firearm shipment is for repair or modifications.

Most other shippers will no longer accept firearm shipments. Airborne and Roadway have specifically prohibited firearm shipments.

 

[Jeff OTMG]

If your Mass permit was still valid then you would be covered driving to RI and flying from there to Alabama IF the guns were not legal in RI. If they are legal in RI then drive there and fly them to Alabama.

I flew out of OKC about 3 weeks ago with a rifle case containing a milled SAM-7 (American made version of a Bulgarian AK) and a Saiga 12 ga shotgun. It was fun showing clear of the all black AK at the Southwest counter. That bolt makes a very distinctive sound and attracted much attention. Of course the Saiga is a Kalashnikov as well and makes the same distinctive sound. One of the counter personnel asked what I hunted with the Saiga and I told her that it was a 12ga shotgun and could be used for duck, pheasant, or quail, but that I was not a hunter. She didn't ask about the SAM-7.