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FN 5.7x28 Banned?

Discussion in 'Legal' started by mattx109, Jan 26, 2005.

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  1. mattx109

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    I was told at my usual gun shop yesterday that the 5.7x28 manufactured by FN in Belgium was no longer legal to import, but that Hornady would be producing a fragmenting round in the caliber at some point.

    A little googling turned up nothing for me. Anyone else have any news, or is this bogus?
     
  2. Car Knocker

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    I believe NYC is trying to ban it there.
     
  3. mattx109

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    I recall the recent "testing" done by a police department against one of their vests and the subsequent call for federal banishment. I was told yesterday that importation had actually been stopped.
     
  4. whm1974

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    The AP round is illegal but Olin makes other loads for this round(last I heard).

    Considering that rifle rounds will go ABV all this uproar over the five seven is quite silly. All this does is get people to buy a product that would not have if it wasn't for all this uproar.

    A friend at work wants a Five Seven now after I mention the sillyness coming from NYC.

    -Bill
     
  5. SIGarmed

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    The SS192 will no longer be available even though it's a hollow point. This is an FN decision. Ridiculous. It's a 28gr projectile they act like it's something really special.

    There will be heavier ammo available that doesn't have the velocity.
     
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    Good thing I bought a ????load already!




    Now I just need the FiveseveN ;)
     
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    If you have one of these pistols, better buy loading dies now . . .
     
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    Did they "test" a vest agaist a T/C chambered for a rifle round? If they did I suppose we would be having disscuions about NYC banning single shot handguns chambered for rifle rounds...

    -Bill
     
  9. tulsamal

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    Not to mention the $100 CZ-52 with cheap ammo or the Ruger Blackhawk in .30 Carbine!

    But we all know logic rarely "comes into play" when non-gun people start talking about gun control.

    Gregg
     
  10. mattx109

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    I was told by the same dealer who informed me of the stop on importation that Hornady is planning on offering a 5.7x28 round that's more "vest friendly," that is, lead-cored and ready to fragment.
     
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    I was pretty dissapointed in FN for succumbing to left-wing media hysteria. I wouldn't call it a full-blown case of "selling out", but there's absolutely no reason to cater to anti-gun groups when they start making wild claims and ridiculous demands.

    I wonder if a domestic ammunition maker will fill the void and start making SS192.

    Either way, I'm glad I stockpiled a few boxes of the imported stuff.
     
  12. Henry Bowman

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    Local media here is now jumping on the histeria bandwagon claiming this "cop killer rifle is a danger to local police." :barf:


    [We need a :shakes head in discust: smilie.]
     
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    AP 5.7x28 was already banned. This new ban is on importation of the FMJ lead core 5.7x28,because even that will penetrate IIA vests. This has nothing to do with the letter of the law definition of handguns and armor piercing handgun ammunition. They are banning the ammo simply because the letter of the law doesn't allow them to ban the weapon...yet. If they were following the letter of the law and not using the "sporting" exemption, we wouldn't have the Taurus Raging Bee or Raging Hornet, or any of the T/C pistols around. All of those handguns could easily punch through vests better than any .44's or other bigbore magnums,but they're enormous pistols and not concealable,which is why ATF doesn't care about them. They know that criminals aren't going to be packing those weapons. This is all about perceptions in the law enforcement community and what they think they can get away with banning to make their lives feel safer.
     
  15. Roadrunner

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    A local NOVA gunshop is sold-out of their FN 5.7 handguns.
     
  16. Wedge

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    I really didn't want one but plan to purchase a five-seven now just because my senator said it should be banned.
     
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    there's a thread on calguns.net discussing FN and getting their firearms approved for CA. i'm not holding my breath on this one.
     
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    According to the BATFE website, 5.7 AP rounds are banned (like any other handgun AP round), hollowpoints will not be imported (probably because they could penetrate Level II vests, though not Level IIIA), but FMJ "sporter" rounds remain importable and legal.
     
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    ATF's website has some good info on the rounds themselves. Get a bunch of brass, dies, and wait for the bullets to come out. One day.
     
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    This makes me hapy that I have a few hundred rounds of SS192 sitting in my cabinet at home.

    I do not know what all the uproar is about it though. The Five-seveN is interesting and a fun little piece, but if I wanted to carry something to stop armored assailants, I'd use a 7.62x25, not a 5.7. I can buy 4 CS52s and a case of ammo for the cost of the Five-seveN
     
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    The uproar is that the Brady Bunch has decided to demonize something ... which does far more to advance that something than keeping their friggin' traps shut would have. They have done more to sell "assault weapons", "saturday night specials", large-caliber handguns, .50BMG rifles, and now the Five-seveN than any amount of gun industry marketing could ever do.
     
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    It uses .224 caliber bullets.
     
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    http://www.house.gov/engel/

    http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/ny17_engel/pr012705.html

    This just in, politicians are liars!

    "It is common sense that five-seven handguns should be banned because the weapon exists only to kill law enforcement officers,†said Rep. Engel.

    The five-seven, a practically-LEO only gun, is made only to kill LEO's? hmmm, spurious logic there.

    “If you support police officers, than you should support my legislation to ban this cop-killer weapon."

    So if I don't support LEO's, it follows that I hate his legislation, I guess that's one point I agree with.

    "We owe it to those brave men and women to help ensure their bullet-proof vests cannot be pierced by readily available five-seven handguns.â€

    Readily available? Please, these things don't exactly grow on trees and I doubt 1000 are even in civilian hands in the US.

    "There is no reason that traditional gun control opponents and advocates in the House would not support my legislation to ban this weapon designed and marketed to kill cops.â€

    If I was FN herstal I'd sue this jerk for slander. "designed and marketed to kill cops", thats right folks, you heard it hear first. I was watching cable, then an FN ad came on, "hey kids want to kill cops? Then buy this specially designed pistol the five-seven" What a load of nonsense.

    I love politicians, they are always honest and truthful, never grubbing to get votes or lying to restrict freedoms.

    atek3
     
  24. LiquidTension

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    I wonder if any of the reloading companies will come out with stuff to make your own 5.7 bullets? I never had much interest in the 5.7 since the cheapest ammo I could find was $16/box...that's ridiculous. There's gonna have to be a new source of ammo since FN has said they're releasing civilian versions of the P90 this year.
     
  25. Luckyorwhat

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    No publicity is bad publicity. Company gets publicity, politician gets publicity, police union leader gets publicity among his peers for influencing a politician.

    The bad part is when they start to believe their own bs.

    And penetrates level IIA? ***? IIA is protection against what, .22?
     
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