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Is anyone familiar with FN's weapons systems? In particular, I am interested in the FiveSeven pistol, the PS90/P90, and the FS2000/F2000. How does the 2000 series compare to standard AR's? The 5.7 round seems very interesting: faster, more accurate, and more lethal than a 9mm, but does not overpenetrate like the .223/5.56. What is your firsthand experience or take on this caliber and these weapons. Provide pics if possible. Thanks.
 
While I've not shot anyone with any caliber (I'm the only guy on the Internet that hasn't), it has been reported to me by people in the know that the 5.7 has been less than optimal, akin to highspeed acupuncture. The subjects were arrested but not out of fight if they wanted to continue they could have.

"Ouch! Stop shooting me, that hurts."

I think the 5.7 got a good rep based on the Peru situation where it was in the hands of top shooters who used it for head shots. Sort of like the HK54 and the public SAS situation where the HK54 made its bones.
 
Can you possibly go into more detail about the Peru and SAS situations or direct me to a site where I can learn more about the situations. I am not familiar with these events. Thanks.
 
The 5.7 round seems very interesting: faster, more accurate, and more lethal than a 9mm, but does not overpenetrate like the .223/5.56.
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The impressions that I've gotten so far is that most of the hype about the lethality have come direct from the FN marketing department. There are a handful of departments who've played with it, and I know of a few that have tried it and then dropped it.

As for overpenetration, anything that is going to reliably put a wound deep enough in a human being to hurt them is going to penetrate some building materials.

The PS90 has not impressed me with build quality for the price. I do actually like the FS2000 because of the size and forward eject, but have only sold them, not actually owned one myself.
 
You might want to try fivesevenforum and ask the guys that own the FN products. I shot the IOM pistol, but haven't had the opportunity to shoot the PS90. I like the caliber because of the lack of recoil and the compact size of the PS90. The price tag on the PS90 and FS2000 is a bit more than what I want to pay for a carbine, but that's just me. The extras are also a bit on the expensive side.

My biggest complaint is that you cannot buy virgin brass for the 5.7. You must buy factory ammo in order to reload. I'm sure that virgin brass will be soon available if not already available for the reloaders.
 
Weellllll, El Tee, I done reckin you is right. Is gonna go and drink myself all stupid in my doublewide. :)
 
If the PS90 or 5.7 pistol would have been in, say, 7.62x25, the general concensous of the round and platform would be quite higher.
 
actually, the P90/PS90 is outstanding for what it is. It is not a 300 win mag. It was never meant to stop a charging rhino. it is not a 1000 yrd benchrest gun. you can't use it in cowboy action matches. it will not penetrate the armor on an M1 abrahms.

deriding any tool for not being the best at doing something it wasn't designed for is just silly
 
I have an FS2000 and love it, compact, accurate. Only hoping that someone makes a new trigger action for it! Mine has an EOTech mounted on top, not a combo that I would want to face in any situation.....

Also have a 5.7 with 3000 rounds - have not fired it yet, safe queen until the ban.

Be safe, BSR
 
Japanese embassy in Peru. The "debut" of the P90: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanes...hostage_crisis

SAS at the Iranian embassy in London, UK. Glamour shots of HK54 drive demand for the weapon: http://www.hkpro.com/hkembassy.htm

More on the embassy rescue for our younger members: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...924109,00.html
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Thanks for the links El Tejon, but two things:


1) Iranian Arab terrorists? Seriously?

2) Did they wear gas masks for any particular reason?

Edit: I guess by the sound of it, they were arabs. I'll be danged.
 
They can't ban that round unless its bullet design was meant to defeat armor. If they did, then they would also have to ban most common hunting calibers.
 
I like the 5.7 system for HD/SD and have both the PS90 & FN57. The PS90 is light, short (more manueverable in tight spaces), no muzzle flash, mild muzzle blast, very little recoil, easy to fire from prone, fully ambidextrous, 50rds from a single mag, little fear of overpenetration, easy to fire effectively w/one hand. For a PDW I find little to fault in it.
Good place for 5.7 info: http://fivesevenforum.com/forums/index.php
ET, can you provide hard data for your "Ouch! Stop shooting me, that hurts" story? Thx...
Tomac
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it has been reported to me by people in the know that the 5.7 has been less than optimal, akin to highspeed acupuncture.
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I'll bet that was using SS190 ammo, which is designed to defeat soft body armor. Most agencies buy it since it's markted as "LEO only".

Try using 5.56 AP and you'd get the same results.

As with anything, bullet design is critical.
 
Texas, could be I did not ask Pat.

Tomac, at the Pat Rogers AK class (Pat did a very funny animated dance as he replicated getting shot with half a mag of 5.7). You can ask Pat about specifics and details on the 10-8 forum, http://www.10-8forums.com/, although Pat does drop by here from time to time.

Percy,

1) yes, Arabs;
2) gas masks to protect themselves (I assume) as they dumped in tear gas before the raid.
 
I read somewhere the at the 5.7mm was the #1 cause of death for ATF or FBI or some other federal agents. I googled for a few seconds but couldn't find. Late for work...
 
I read somewhere the at the 5.7mm was the #1 cause of death for ATF or FBI or some other federal agents. I googled for a few seconds but couldn't find. Late for work...
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I don't think any law enforcement officer, of any description, has been killed by a 5.7x28mm firearm anywhere in the United States ever since the round was invented.
 
yeah, because if they had, it would have been banned by now
 
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yeah, because if they had, it would have been banned by now
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Well, they seem to want to ban it "just in case".

Introduced 03-29-07 and referred to the House Judicary committee.

H.R. 1076 'Protect Law Enforcement Armor Act'
To protect the Nation's law enforcement officers by banning the Five-seveN Pistol and 5.7 x 28mm SS190 and SS192 cartridges, testing handguns and ammunition for capability to penetrate body armor, and prohibiting the manufacture, importation, sale, or purchase of such handguns or ammunition by civilians.
 
I read somewhere the at the 5.7mm was the #1 cause of death for ATF or FBI or some other federal agents. I googled for a few seconds but couldn't find. Late for work...
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Hmm, I would think it would be car accidents or something.

Anyway, it's most certainly not the 5.7 since as far as I can find one hasn't even been used in a crime in the US, let alone a shootout with officers.

It's an $800+ handgun and 50 cent a round ammo, let's be realistic here.....
 
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