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FOID Idea (Naive Perhaps)

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by FuriousGeorge, Mar 26, 2013.

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  1. FuriousGeorge

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    Someone mentioned in another thread that gun ownership should be like your citizenship: once renounced, you're back to square one in getting it again. This has gotten me thinking. What if there's a national FOID issued along with your passport, nationalization papers, or birth certificate? Think of it like an SSN card and a drivers license combined. This card by default grants you the ability to buy a gun. Once you pass a 4473, you automatically get that endorsement. The same applies to a Form 1, 4, etc. Prohibited life events like violent felony convictions would cause someone to forfeit this card. Or, if someone is so anti-gun, then the option to simply turn in the card is also available.

    Benefits:

    • Since all citizens get one, the potential list of all gun owners is nearly every legal person.

    • Criminals and those voluntarily giving up their rights are easily identified.

    • Dealers can easily identify who they can legally sell to.
    • Buyers undergo one background check for each type (suppressors, class 3, etc. being other types) of purchase, and because of the endorsement on their first purchase, they won't have to keep doing the paperwork the next time(s) they want to buy a gun.

    • A one time tax stamp would be a side benefit.

    Can they come and take your guns based knowing you passed a 4473? Sure. But passing it once doesn't mean one purchase.

    I'm sure I'm missing a lot, but I'd figure I'd throw this out for public scrutiny. :)
     
  2. Neo-Luddite

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    No thanks ~ rights don't require ID cards. Illinois is a poor example to extrapolate from in almost ANY respect.

    I see where you're comming from, that this would streamline and simplify things ~ but it would give the opportunity for someone to gum up the works sooner or later; the 'un-intended consequences' idea and all.
     
  3. Walt622

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    FOID=List, lists in government hands is never good.
     
  4. Sam1911

    Sam1911 Moderator Emeritus

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    I need to keep a specific card on hand, for life, to be able to buy a firearm? No thanks!

    I can't see any "upside" to this, at all, and plenty of "downside."

    IT ALREADY IS!

    Oh? So teenagers can get a fake ID to buy beer -- or have someone else buy it for them -- but criminals can't get a fake FOID -- or have someone else buy for them? :scrutiny:

    Anyone who passes NICS. What's so hard about that?

    That's not how the NFA works at all.
     
  5. Trung Si

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    Not perhaps, but Definitely NAIVE!
     
  6. pikid89

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    First, the Social Security Number was not supposed to be used for ID purposes, so if someone asks you for yours, tell em to kick rocks.

    Second, i want to be on as few federal lists as possible, no particular reason, but no federally compiled list has ever been used for great good, so theres that.

    Third, driving on public roads is a privilege, one earned by paying DOT taxes on fuel, and the passing of a state skills exam. This is why driving an untitled, uninsured, unregistered vehicle fueled by Red Diesel, is LEGAL on PRIVATE LAND.

    Im with Rand, Cruz, and Lee. Im against ANY further Federal Gun Control measures. The ONLY thing I want to see the feds doing with gun laws, is repealing the junk ones.
     
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    What's wrong with my idea of locking up the prohibited people. Then you know that everyone walking around has the right to own a gun.
     
  8. railroadman

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    I now live in the State of Florida.2006.After my mine cleared from the trying to buy a hand gun.(as much of 9months waiting)New York State makes me glad I never have to fear and cross my fingers i can pay the 10 percent tax and hope the new laws don.t turn us in to Quilting for my favorate hobby.
     
  9. morcey2

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    I'm already on several government lists. I have a C&R FFL. I have a Utah CFP. I have purchased several guns that have required NICS background checks and don't trust the government enough to obey the law in not keeping records on that.

    I'm also an NRA Certified Instructor. That's not a government list, but it's a pretty good indicator that I probably own a gun or two. An FOID card wouldn't make any difference one way or another indicating to the govt that I probably own guns.

    BUT!

    As I said in an earlier discussion:

    I don't want my kids to have to decide whether to obey the law and be, at best, subject to firearm confiscation when "they" decide it's necessary, or violate the law and be able to protect themselves in their own home.

    Matt
     
  10. Arkansas Paul

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    You're either naive or something a lot worse.
     
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    ......your papers, please.

    No thanks. I think that was tried elsewhere and its not anything I want to see happen in this country.
     
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    No.

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  14. ferges99

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    National FOID?????

    Some people should never come out from under their rock!!!!!!
     
  15. Sam1911

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    Ooookay. I think this is quite enough to illustrate the general consensus on that idea, and now we're just getting mean.

    Closed.
     
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