For Those Of You Who Prefer A Pietta '58

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rodwha

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So I've had my new Pietta '58 for a few days now, and I've played with it a bit now and again.

I've noticed that there wasn't much holding the hammer in the safety slot so I worked on the hammer nose to get a deeper fit. Easy enough.

But then I noticed that my cylinder stops are getting peened a little already, and a mild drag line is forming. So I began rounding the edges on the stop.

Now I've pulled the cylinder to get a better look at the stops and noticed that the hand has been scratching the heck out of the ratchet!

I've not heard Uberti owners have so many little things wrong straight from the box. I'm beginning to wonder if I should have saved more pennies…

So why do you prefer a Pietta over an Uberti? It has to be more than just the savings, of which there is none if you choose a stainless model, barring a Cabelas sale.

In essence I feel these are kit guns.
 
Individual guns from either company may or may not have similar issues, or have them to similar degrees. And Uberti Colts have the short arbor issue, and my latest Uberti has some fit and finish issues that are cosmetic but it's not as good looking as any of my Piettas. Personally I feel like if I'm going to be rolling the dice anyway I might as well go with the cheap one. That being said I buy Uberti if a particular model doesn't exist on the Pietta side or if Pietta didn't do a very good job with it (there's one of the pocket models - 1862 police I think - where the Pietta's kind of weird looking).

Other people feel differently because their luck of the draw was different, or because they did their buying earlier when things were different. I really feel like not only is Pietta improving year to year but that Uberti is slipping. I think everybody agrees about Pietta improving but maybe I've just been unlucky on the Uberti side.
 
It locks up tight, and though no match grade pistol seems nice enough to me. I just wish that it wasn't tearing up so quickly. I've just not heard Uberti '58 owners claiming such rough treatment out of the box.

And having heard of the short arbor problem I would have chosen a Pietta.

I, too, want an Uberti Pocket model! And the arbor length doesn't seem to be a problem with them.
 
Sticking to the 1858 and not getting into a segue about Colt clones.... (Remington clones don't have arbors)

Nobody I know who owns and shots both a Pietta and Uberti 'Remmie prefers the Pietta.


There may be some, but I've not yet met one.


I have 58's by ASM, Pietta, and Uberti. The ASM one is junk. The Pietta is "Ok" and the pair of Ubertis I have are excellent.


Willie

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It seems to me, from what I've read over the years, is that if you want a great '58 buy an Uberti. If you want a great '51 or '60 buy a Pietta (newer make).
 
All this Pietta bashing. I have a 5.5" Pietta '58 bought on sale for 179 and change from Cabelas and it's an excellent shooter. I'm quite impressed with its timing, tightness, built quality in general. I've never owned a Uberti. I have a better gun than any Uberti anyway, at least better as a shooter and stronger and tighter. It's made by Ruger. They don't make 'em anymore, but if you want the best available BP revolver, pick up a used ROA.

JMHO I'll keep my Pietta '58, though, a real fun and accurate shooter. Maybe it's not the best, but I like it a lot.
 
I have a ROA also, and it is quite nice.

I've just read so many posts about Pietta's quality matching Uberti's, but I don't read of Uberti owners complaining about their '58's. This just seems like an unusual amount of wear so quickly.
 
Pietta doesn't make a Pocket 1862 they make a short barreled 1861 and call it a 1862

Uberti doesn't really make fantasy pieces anymore like (so called) 1851 Army's (though calling a percussion Colt clone by the barrel shape is idiotic as well does this make a 1861 Navy a 36 caliber Army?)
 
I have nothing against Uberti, but the newer Pietta's I have are clearly nicer in fit finish and function than some of my older Uberti's. I suspect that modern manufacturing advances are to blame. Neither compares to any of my Ruger's, not even in the same ballpark for quality.
 
Bower: I'm not sure which set of markings are the date code. The first is a CL in a box, the second has CIP over PN in another box, and lastly something that looks like an O over an X in a small box by itself.

Eljay: With the cost difference it's certain that Pietta sells many times the number of guns. But the only complaints I hear about Uberti is the short arbors on Colts. That's it.

Maybe I'm funny in that I don't think my pistol should be all scratched up and peened before I've even made it to the range. Did I spend a lot? No. But I still expect it perform properly. I don't expect it to shoot as well as a more expensive gun, though they do, which is a bonus. It didn't say in any of the paperwork that came with it that I needed to round out the edges, or that it should be sent to a smith before it'll function well enough.

I still have to admit that the fit, for the most part is very good, and it feels like a solid pistol. I just didn't expect it to get so dinged up so fast.
 
rodwha, I get the impression that you over think things.
I own and shoot 58 Remmy pattern revolvers Uberti and Pietta. I really don't see or feel much difference between them, both are nice guns.
The Uberti cost about $125 more than the Pietta both were purchased new. I have extra cylinders for both. I can buy Pietta cylinders for $49, Uberti for $89.
Both Pistols are accurate.
 
I typically do.

If I knew this was just a cosmetic problem I wouldn't be quite as concerned.

I'm not necessarily turned off to Pietta's yet either. I'll give this one a fair shake. And I don't mind doing a little work, I rather enjoy it, but I didn't know it may be something I needed to do. I wouldn't have been working the action so many times looking at the safety notch fit or just feeling the action.
 
The cost point, especially since I intend on making this a pair with additional cylinders, along with the number of those noting the quality is about on par, if not even better, than an Uberti, is why I chose them. That and free shipping from Cabelas!!
 
never owned a uberti 58 but my pietta has delivered several thousand balls to target
all propelled by a traditional strength load and is still going strong it cost about 200 dollars at the time, it gets put away without anymore cleaning than a wipe down most of the time

it still fires reliably after months of disuse.

only work ive done to it is replacement of the hammer and that was because i couldnt find a file to touch up the face and sides.
 
Howdy

First off, yes you do over think things. Stop playing with that thing and take it out and shoot it.

When I buy a new gun, and I do mean new, I will often take it apart and do a little bit of work on it before I take it to the range the first time. But with all due respect, I have been at this a bit longer than you and I usually........how shall I say this tactfully.........I usually know what I am doing. Usually. I have been known to make some mistakes.

But when I was in your shoes, and I am making a big assumption here, I was 18 years old and my first Cap & Ball revolver was a brass framed 44 caliber Uberti 'Navy'. I didn't start messing around with it, yes I played with it a bit, but mostly I just took it out and shot it. I figured out how to take it apart to clean it, but I did not mess with anything. I just shot it and took it apart to clean it. I did not take any files to it, I did not try to 'fix' anything, I simply shot it, then took it apart to clean it, then put it back together again. A little while later I tried 'improving' my Dad's old Winchester Model '06, doing a little bit of filing here and filing there in an effort to make it better. I did not improve it, as a matter of fact I made things worse.

My point is, by playing with the gun you are accelerating the wear on it. As I have told you before, the parts in those guns are not very hard. They will wear sooner than parts in a more expensive gun. And I don't mean an Uberti, I mean a quality Smith and Wesson from the 1950s. A gun that has been properly soft fitted by an experienced assembly technician and then disassembled and had its parts hardened and blued, and then been reassembled and a final bit of fitting done before the gun was inspected, packed, and shipped. Nobody is doing all that anymore, not Pietta, not Uberti, not even S&W.

The 'scratches' you are seeing on the cylinder are a result of lowering the hammer from half cock and rotating the cylinder while the bolt was bearing against the cylinder. You probably did not really scratch the metal, you probably only wore the blue off. The 'scratches' on the ratchet teeth are probably the result of a burr on the hand. If Pietta used a bit more care in building their guns, that burr would not be there. But you could not buy the gun so cheap if they put that kind of care into assembly. Even without a burr on the hand, you are still rubbing metal against metal and something has to give. The blue will wear. Stop over thinking it and just take the thing out and shoot it.

As far as Pietta quality vs Uberti quality with C&B revolvers is concerned, personally I think Uberti quality is a bit better. Not a huge amount, just a bit. A few years ago I bought a pair of Pietta 1860 Armies. They were on sale at Cabellas and I ran up and bought a pair. I was not terrifically impressed with the finish of the frames. Specifically, there were small burrs on the surface of the frames that should have been removed before the frames were case hardened. I could remove the burrs myself, but then it would stick out like a sore thumb. Burrs should be removed before blue or case hardening is done, but that probably takes a few more minutes per gun and time is money, always has been. Yes, it is a fine point about the small burrs on the frame, but there you have it. Just for the heck of it I just took out the pair of 1860s and took a close look at the cylinders. Yes, there is a tiny amount of peening at the cylinder locking slots. That is completely normal, it happens with use.

I have not bought any Pietta guns since then, but friends in the CAS community report that Pietta quality has come up quite a bit in the last few years with cartridge guns. They definitely used to come in second to Uberti. I do not know if their C&B guns have improved in quality or not, my 1860s do not show it.
 
Howdy

First off, yes you do over think things. Stop playing with that thing and take it out and shoot it.

When I buy a new gun, and I do mean new, I will often take it apart and do a little bit of work on it before I take it to the range the first time. But with all due respect, I have been at this a bit longer than you and I usually........how shall I say this tactfully.........I usually know what I am doing. Usually. I have been known to make some mistakes.

A fair observation and excellent advice!

Rodwha, you've likely messed up your bolt by "rounding the edges on the stop". Only one side could sometimes use a little stoning but they should be shot some for the parts to mesh real good. My Pietta Remmy's shoot so much better after 500 rounds then the first 100, timing and lock up are perfect.

Learn how to clean and shoot it first before you start messing with it.
 
Yeah i wouldnt throw it out just yet. There have been things on my guns i figured for sure they were hopeless yet they still shot good.

For instance that brass frame buffalo, i cut the barrel off my self and re crowned it with a ball grinder in a drill. That thing was so shot from pitting that i couldnt run a patch down it without it snagging all the pits in the barrel yet the last time i shot it at 15 yards it shot about a 2" group.

So IMO your gun is not lost. Put about 50 rounds threw it atleast.

If you have a ROA you already have the pinnacle of black powder revolvers so use this one as a learning tool.

Ive found it takes quite a bit to make these things worthless.
 
Driftwood: I certainly appreciate your being tactful, as it can be hard to understand the inflections of typed words. The truth is what it is, and you are pretty spot on.

i wouldn't have attempted any finishing had I not read about it so often and reading on how easy it is.

There indeed was a nasty burr on the hand, which I filed away this AM.

I wanted to photo my parts to show what I've done, and what has happened, but SWMBO is all over me about getting ready as we have a lot to do.


Bower: I'm far from giving up! I'm just waiting for my moment to get to the range!!!

Knowing what I know now I'd probably buy another '58 from them knowing that I need to check a few things and work the hammer nose. I'm OK with a little tinkering.
 
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