For those who think felons should never have guns...

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There's certainly a good argument to be made that convicted violent criminals shouldn't be allowed to go and buy guns. But that's not what I want to start here, again...

From the first post. ^^^^^^^

But thats what it has turned into.
 
Nonetheless, statements of fact or statements of opinion should be supported with evidence. Statements purporting to be fact, or statements of opinion, without support really aren't worth much.

With that said I believe most statements on the internet forums aren't worth much.
 
jcwit said:
With that said I believe most statements on the internet forums aren't worth much.
True enough -- a lot of opinions expressed by folks who don't necessarily have any qualifications, and a lot of misinformation stated as fact without any supporting evidence or reference to some reliable source.
 
Many here seem to believe the consequences of dishonesty should include the removal of the means of self-defense.


There ARE other means besides a gun, so that is a moot point.

OK...a more accurate way of putting it would be "...the removal of the BEST means of self-defense."

The fact that there are other means of of self-defense besides carrying a firearm does NOT make my point moot at all.


Restricting the 2A rights of non-violent persons deemed unworthy is just plain WRONG.

Hopefully, those in power - now or in the future - will not decide YOU or I are unworthy for some trumped up and irrelevent reason.
 
The felony stats are interesting, but there apears to be a lot of double counting (see bold).

What are the most common felonies committed in the US? A list of the 20 most common felonies in the US.

(1) Drug abuse violations 1,841,182
(2) Driving while Intoxicated 1,427,494 (aka Felony DUI)
(3) Property crime 1,610,088 (includes burglary[11], larceny[4], theft[4], motor vehicle theft[19], and arson.)
(4) Larceny-theft 1,172,762 [3]
(5) Assault 1,305,693
(6) Disorderly conduct 709,105
(7) Liquor laws 633,654
(8) Violent crime 597,447 (including murder, non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery[16], aggravated assault[10].
(9) Drunkenness 589,402
(10) Aggravated assault 433,945 [8]
(11) Burglary 303,853 [3]
(12) Vandalism 291,575
(13) Fraud 252,873
(14) Weapons violations (carrying or possession) 188,891
(15) Curfew and loitering 143,002
(16) Robbery 126,715 [8]
(17) Offenses against family and children 122,812
(18) Stolen property (buying, receiving, possession) 122,061
(19) Motor vehicle theft 118,231 [3]
(20) Forgery and counterfeiting 103,448

Looks like there are a lot of murders, since it's the first thing under line 8, Volent crimes. But if you remove the duplicates, line 10, Aggravated assault (433,945) and line 16, Robbery (126,715) you end up with 36,787 combined murders, manslaughters, and forcible rapes.
 
Lacking the time to read the entire thread, I can only assume that someone has mentioned the answer to this whole debate/debacle. I'll repeat it here if it has been said, or say it for the first time if it hasn't been said. Keep violent criminals locked up until they can be trusted with arms out in society. That's the only logical and constitutional solution.

Woody
 
Over zealous D.A. perhaps, but none of the responses I have read mention the kids. If in fact they were held out of school 12 times out of 25 school days that means the kids missed 48% of that school time, and missing that much school it would be very hard for the kids to keep up with their studies. Perhaps the D.A. felt this was a case of child neglect that did not quite rise to the level he believed he could win a case in court.

Another question that comes to my mind, do the defendants have any other pending criminal charges, a history of arrests, or unreasonable behaviors?

I hope there is more to this story than we have been provided with.
 
There ARE other means besides a gun
Isn't this the argument of a great deal of antis? Why do you need a gun, just learn martial arts?

No, it means there ARE alternatives to using a gun for self-defense, many of which can be just as lethal and not requiring Bruce Lee capabilities
 
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There ARE other means besides a gun
Isn't this the argument of a great deal of antis? Why do you need a gun, just learn martial arts?

No, it means there ARE alternatives to using a gun for self-defense, many of which can be just as lethal and not requiring Bruce Lee capabilities


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Nonetheless, statements of fact or statements of opinion should be supported with evidence. Statements purporting to be fact, or statements of opinion, without support really aren't worth much.

With that said I believe most statements on the internet forums aren't worth much.

Anyone know how to say unsupported opinion. As in not worth much.
 
Remember that case of wine you brought home from your last trip to wine country? In many states, you have committed a felony - scumbag.
 
they had missed 24 days at the time they were charged 30 is no graduate to next grade here i don't know about there
 
Officers'Wife said:
First they came for felons, since I did not like felons I applauded....
Yea, yea, yea. Let's all stand up for the felons, and spouse abusers, and drunk drivers, and child molesters, and drug dealers, and all the other flotsam and jetsam of the world -- as if they are going to stand up for us. This continual repetition of clever paraphrases of Pastor Martin Niemöller's original 1946 comments describing what had happened in Germany has become a tiresome cliche. It doesn't always mean something, and it doesn't always apply.

SuperNaut said:
Remember that case of wine you brought home from your last trip to wine country? In many states, you have committed a felony - scumbag.
In which States? And cite the statutes please.
 
fiddletown, this is a discussion board, not a formal debate board. I don't have the time or the desire to cite statutes, take it or leave it.
 
http://www.drvino.com/2010/03/08/maryland-wine-shipping-support-pessimism/

md

fla no longer a felony

indiana no longer a felony up to 2 cases a month

kentucky shipping by common carrier is a felony you can haul it yourself

UTAH If returning from "abroad" you can bring in one quart of wine or brandy, otherwise everything must come through a state store. If moving to Utah you are permitted to bring in your personal collection of wine or brandy if you can prove all taxes had been paid.
http://www.wineevents-calendar.com/...i_the_laws_they_are_achangin_i_but_not_enough
 
fiddletown said:
That's fine. I just will not accept your claim.
Uh-oh.

So anyway, until recently it was also a felony to CCW in national parks. I'm sure every CCW holder in this thread were vigilant about observing that law.
 
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