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FORT KNOX most secure place in world?

Discussion in 'General Gun Discussions' started by tonytulipz, Dec 27, 2005.

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Do you think it is the most secure place in world?

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  2. No

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  1. tonytulipz

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    Just got done watching the show on History Channel regarding Frt. Knox.

    There was so many Stories of how it is really defended and that no one really knows. (Treasury Dept. likes it that way) How and what defends the place.

    Anyone have any ideas, stories, opinions?

    Just thought it would be a nice piece to discuss. I saw most the guards were using Glocks of some sort and some 1911's on others.

    Very Cool Show by the way,
     
  2. cdharmon

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    fort knox has amazing security, but you really need to look at the security on NORAD. my ex-ranger friend was stationed as a guard there for a couple of months....
    just to get through the small doors, not the 5 foot thick blast doors(which there are several), just to get through the walking doors, you need 2 codes, which change every 2 or 4 hours(i forget which one), at which time only ONE person on the complex knows each code. each person needs to enter the codes at the same time. if either person enters their code wrong, the entire base goes on lockdown and full alert. this is to go through ONE set of doors, this does not get you all the way into the base. once again, the codes change every few hours, and only one person knows each code.

    no bird goes un-noticed w/in miles of the complex, w/ laser motion detectors, cameras, etc.
    the security at NORAD is INSANE.
     
  3. tonytulipz

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    Interesting comparison. I wonder what the Govt puts more Value on. As Far as defending. Moneywise Fort Knox worth way more. Strategic Value NORAD more.
     
  4. jeepmor

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    Which do you think is more watched?

    The security should be insane at each. However, I'm betting Vegas is better than both facilities mentioned. I don't recall anyone stealing secrets from casinos, but they were able to successfully steal secrets from our nuclear weapons development facilities.

    Is NORAD the sensor center that watches the globe for missile launches, or are they a nuke missile site? Or both?

    jeepmor
     
  5. Librarian

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  6. tonytulipz

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    NORAD Keeps track of all missles and other strategic things. Nothing Stored there mainly computers. Well that we know of...
     
  7. Scottmkiv

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    I think that almost by definition it has to be a place that no one has ever heard of. Secrecy is worth a lot more than steel doors in my mind.
     
  8. cslinger

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    Come on you don't really think they keep the gold at Fort Knox do you? :rolleyes:

    I bet you even think they keep the UFO's at area 51. :rolleyes:

    Just kidding. Actually it would be rather funny for somebody to actually breach the security of Fort Knox only to find out the gold is really kept at an Am South somewhere east of Hermitage, Tennessee guarded by a guy named Buford and his dog Flash. :neener:
     
  9. cdharmon

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    Norad isnt either, and it is both. The reason Norad is different than any other place in America is that if the country is attacked by nuclear bombs, or anythign similar, the president and his group of people can move in there, and in essence run all fascets of the country, military, government, and nuclear missles from that one base. it is protected against nuclear explosions, the entire base itself(which is ENORMOUS) sits on top of HUGE shock absorbers buried deep in the ground and around the base as to absorb any blast that may happen, as well as all the walls of the base being made of state of the art materials and extremely thick. having been funded by a multi-billion dollar organization(the government), i'd say that Norad has bette security put into it than both ft. knox and vegas.

    another high security area is area 51. each day all the employees get on a non-charter airplane in vegas airport and fly to area 51. the people investigating area 51 sat in a suburban outside the airport and looked at the airplane through binoculars. in under 5 minutes, cop cars showed up and black yukons started following the suburban. how they knew? no one knows.
     
  10. tonytulipz

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    True...but if ITS been there awhile like 50yrs (NORAD, area57, Frt. Knox) Secrets dont last...they get told.
     
  11. Taurus 66

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    Some of the US gold is at Fort Knox. The rest is carefully placed in other national reserves as to not have 'all your eggs in one basket' if you know what I mean. Fort Knox is not just a gold reserve. There are also other valuables stored there such as platinum and silver. The original painting of da Vinci's "Mona Lisa", "Last Supper, and Einstein's "Theory of Relativity" chalkboard are said to have been there, out, on the move, and back, many times over the past 40 years.

    Just how secure is Fort Knox? For some joe average with his gang of thugs to try breaking in would not get very far. They would have to battle over a thousand well armed troops, several attack dogs, AH64 Apache helicopters, M1A2 Abram tanks, probably some Bradleys too, and if they somehow by the miracle of God escaped all that firey wrath with a mere 10 bullet holes and 1 life threatening shrapnel wound each, in come the US Secret Service along with aide from state troopers to pit the get away vehicle and make the arrests.
     
  12. 2k5Adam

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    Hmm, I think I've been there before...
     
  13. 1911 guy

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    There is no gold.

    U.S. currency hasn't been backed by gold since before Kennedy's presidency. There is no gold in Ft. Knox. The United Sates is in reality broke, our currency is valued on economic activity and futures speculation. Sorry to burst your bubble, but Elvis is really dead, too. Oh, I've actually been to Roswell with the Navy, Hangar 18 is nothing more than a concrete slab now. There are conspiracies out there, just not that one.
     
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    As was mentioned, the most secure place in the world is the one that the fewest people know about. NORAD is pretty close to the top of the list though, as is Fort Knox.

    Just my .02,
    LeonCarr
     
  15. mosttoyswins

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    The most secure place in the world is my wife's pants anytime I piss her off...it is impossible to get in there!:evil:
     
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    There was an article in the Wall Street Journal several years ago on the issue of gold storage locations. Apparently, many foreign countries choose to store at least part of their gold reserves in the USA, most notably at the Federal Reserve bank in New York City. In consideration of both the foreign gold reserves and the portion of the US gold reserves stored there, there is supposed to be more gold bullion in New York then in Ft. Knox.

    The interesting thing about the New York location is that when countries correct for any balance of payments inequities, a portion of the Belgian gold is moved from their vault to the French vault, for example. The national banks of the respective countries send a message to New York, and the security staff literally loads up 10 gold bars, or whatever amount specified, on a little wagon, and roll it from the Belgian vault to the French vault. They then update the inventory count both on a spreadsheet, and on a little reader board hung on the front door of each vault, showing the number of gold bars stored within.
     
  18. Henry Bowman

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    Are you kidding? All you need is a pilot named Pussy Galore and her aerobatic team to spray some nerve gas over the area and you can drive right in with a nuke shaped like a coffin and... Just make sure she hasn't slept with some Brittish spy first. That can mess up the whole plan. :uhoh:
     
  19. Mr Jody Hudson

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    We do the same sort of physical universe storage and transfer here in Delaware in two of our banks in Wilmington.
     
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    Exactly. It would be much easier to run an experimental lab to reverse-engineer alien technology if you didn't have have the infrastructure to check every single gawker on the ridge and repair huge amounts of perimeter sensors.
     
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    Wow some interseting stuff! That DIA thing was wild! Been there many many times! Stuff like that I want to belive so badly BUT I dont want to believe and sometimes I find myelf believing it but its so hard to justify! Lets all hope that isnt the case!
     
  22. twency

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    After reading about Raven Rock a while back, I drove out and checked it out myself. (I live about half an hour away.)

    Interestingly, I drove up or by three of the four entrance driveways, close to the staggered Jersey barriers, and was never challenged in any way. I didn't actually approach the main gate on foot, but I did get within about 20 feet of one of the other entrances.

    Two of the entrances I found appeared to be normal country roads, but they just happened to terminate in razor-wire topped chainlink fences and U.S. government signage. At least one of two roads didn't even indicate "No Outlet." Around here, most entrances to roads which don't connect to another road have signs saying so.

    I found the road which I guessed led to the fourth entrance, but felt that driving up to that entrance too might be pushing it.

    I assume I'm now on some domestic terrorist watch list for my actions. (Maybe not for stumbling on one entrance, but almost certainly for visiting three entrances in a short period of time. Obviously I was probing their defenses. :rolleyes: Of course, the fact that I drove through Catoctin a week or two later probably didn't help either.:cool: )

    It's very interesting to look at the entrances, look at the mountain, and imagine that there's an entire city under there. There are a number of interesting articles (some from "legit" dead tree periodicals, others just electronic reports) about "Site R" (Raven Rock) and many of the other strategic and Continuity of Government sites which are now more widely known. Edited to add: The problem with stuff from the web is that you tend to get goofy UFO hunters and Illuminati-nuts and Black Helicopter-spotters adding their own spin and embellishments to what might, in some cases, be a kernel of truth. Who knows if there's anything secret under the Denver airport? You'll never get any useful information from the bozos who think it's a secret landing site/concentration camp/staging ground for an alien invasion.
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  23. georgeduz

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    my wifes panties are the most secure place
     
  24. twency

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    Umm, someone already used that one. Move along folks.
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  25. Mr Jody Hudson

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    I like to go look too. I have been to GreenBrier, Mt. Weather and two others that are not on the lists. I was ALREADY ON THE SPECIAL LISTS...and figure I have been for decades.

    I worked for FEMA for a short time and was told that I would NOT be going to Mount Weather, even if my job actions directed me that way.

    I have seen two other locations built that are not on the lists as far as I know. The interesting thing to ME, is that I have never heard any of the locals to either of the new places I saw built... notice that 100 or more heavily laden 14 wheel dump trucks full of dirt were leaving the property of a large home, every day for two years!!!! They also did not seem to notice that a very, very, large hill appeared that covered a couple of hundred acres and is about a hundred feet high, a few miles from there. The natives seem so very UN-Restless... especially in the D.C. area where one of these is.
     
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