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FORT KNOX most secure place in world?

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Do you think it is the most secure place in world?

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  1. Flyboy

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    Y'know, I do believe that we have underground or other secret facilities--the secret city for the Congress and President is sort of a public secret--but things like
    just don't inspire confidence in the accuracy of the authors claims.
     
  2. twency

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    Exactly. I know Raven Rock exists (well technically, I just know the entrances exist) because I've been there, but the breathless X-Files/Coast-to-Coast AM type stories about aliens and mind control and New World Order military bases makes it hard to figure out if there's even a seed of truth in some of the less documented stories.

    I used to watch X-Files. I just never took it as a guidebook for uncovering hidden truths and government conspiricies.

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  3. Mr Jody Hudson

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    YOU are more charitable than I, in your conclusions about the author... :what:

    As much as anything, it takes a LOT of sifting to sift through the various levels of security for our secrets... as it SHOULD... what better way to hide our secrets than under various clouds of weirdos, aliens, false reports, changing reports, false closings, false openings, etc. Flitter and Dust! :evil:

    Now... here is a little something to think upon.

    Paul Harvey reported some years ago that our largest mining machines are capable of drilling through the hardest rock at one foot per minute in a 20 foot diameter and that four of these machines can be pinned together to make a tunnel 20' x80' or roughly 40' x 40' and still drilling at a foot a minute.:what:

    Now, think about the above, our underground places, ways to get to them... and other places. These machines are available to whomever would like to buy them.:evil: :eek:

    Can anyone remember an infinitely wealthy person who is in the construction and earth moving business and his family for decades and who lives in the desert??? :eek: :what: :cuss:

    Hmmm.... :what:
     
  4. Omni04

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    if anybody has ever been there, the entrance off the main highway even has a couple tanks sitting right out front, just to intimidate you :).

    They are very secure and thorough with their car checks, however from what i hear from local people, if you know the guards you never get checked.
     
  5. MillCreek

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    I thought that a few months back, I read in the Washington Post that Raven Rock, or Site R, is the 'secure underground location' that Vice President Cheney is shipped off to in times of national crisis, such as 9/11.

    When my wife finished IDC school at Norfolk, while serving in the Navy, her detailer wanted her first IDC assignment to be at either Camp David or one of the Continuity of Government sites around the Maryland-Virginia area. I did not realize that the Navy actually runs Camp David, and also runs or provides support to some of the other COG installations. She told me that the actual name of Camp David is Naval Support Facility Thurmont. I certainly hope that there are still secure facilities for COG somewhere that have not been exposed.
     
  6. Taurus 66

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    No gold in Ft. Knox?? :confused:

    Tinfoil check!
     
  7. twency

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    The Boston Globe had an article discussing this in July of last year.'Undisclosed location' disclosed

    The Washington Post apparently had the story, but appears to have removed the text. Only the headline remains on the page I found. http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A55877-2004Apr6

    This Yahoo groups posting appears to contain the full text: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/coldwarcomms/message/7256

    A blog entry with a picture and comments from 2003, which shows that this wasn't exactly the darkest of secrets when the Washington Post ran their article:
    http://www.newyorkish.com/newyorkish/2003/12/in_event_of_att.html

    There's all sorts of info available about the various sites, the problem is sorting out the muck from the useful. Google can be your friend, but remember anyone who can type (and many who seemingly can't) can post something on the internet and call it gospel truth.

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  8. spaceCADETzoom

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    hah, this thread is about the gold. I thought it would be about the fact Ft Knox is the Armor Center....

    Is Ft Knox secure? You better believe it, it's an Army post. Too many of you focus on the gold...but forget that there are thousands of M1 tanks there. Ft Knox's prime purpose is to house the Armor center...where tankers learn to tank.

    As far as area 51...some of the posts above are funny. yall act like youve never been on a military installation before. no s**t they don't allow unauthorized people in...there doesn't have to be ufo's to need guys in trucks to shoo idiots with cameras at the fence away. You try and camp out with a camera outside the fence of any other Air Force base and see what happens.
     
  9. Kharn

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    I caught the same show on the History Channel. I wonder how long it would take the ~300 tank crews to assemble and get the tanks ready to go (load with ammo, mount the topside MGs, etc).

    Kharn
     
  10. geekWithA.45

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    :scrutiny: :scrutiny: :scrutiny:

    If that's what my tax dollars are paying for, where's mine? :neener:

    As for gold in Ft. Knox....I'm sure there's a reserve, but it's significance is no longer what it was, given that we abandoned the gold standard way back when.
     
  11. tonytulipz

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    I'm actually not following this, could you spell it out for me?
     
  13. twency

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    I'm not sure, but I think he's implying that bin Laden is using tunneling machines to invade Cheyenne mountain through a tunnel from Mexico, or something like that. I didn't exactly follow either.

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  14. Rembrandt

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    "What?.....you're telling me there is no Gold at Fort Knox?"
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  15. Mal H

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    That is true, however even considering that the "whomever" is a billionaire, those machines are extremely expensive to purchase and operate. Much more often than not, the "whomever" has to be a government of some size.

    A very good friend is a high-up muckety muck with Robbins, one of the few companies in the world that make the tunnel boring machines. His work includes the Storbaelt tunnel in Denmark and the Boston tunnel among many others. Trying to hide a TBM operation is like trying to hide a nuclear blast, whether it is underground or not.

    As far as existing facilities with an exceptionally high level of security, doesn't it stand to reason that if they do indeed have that level of security, you would have no clue as to their existence? IOW, just knowing the name or approximate location of any such facility belies the fact that it has the highest level of security.
     
  16. Parker Dean

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    Ya know, I've been noticin' that dumps, er sorry, sanitary landfills, have taken on that appearance around here within the last few years.

    Coincidence? Maybe.
     
  17. sd

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    I didn't think Ft Knox was particularly secure - I just signed some paperwork, took an oath and a physical and was put on a plane to Kentucky. I didn't think the hosts were very friendly, but the tanks are impressive.
     
  18. longeyes

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    Some gnomes in Davos run the world. Ft. Knox is a chimera.
     
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    The most secure place in the world is to be in the middle of God's will.
     
  20. TrapperReady

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    I thought the most secure place on earth was the inside of Tamara's purse. :)
     
  21. MillCreek

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    I just read a fascinating pamphlet put out by the Federal Reserve Bank in New York describing the gold storage and handling facilities there. I learned the 'the majority' of all US gold reserves are kept at the depositories at Fort Knox, the Fed in New York, and at West Point, New York. The remaining stocks are kept at US Mint facilities in Philadelphia, Denver and San Francisco. Only two percent of the US stocks are at the Fed in New York.

    Of note, the two World Wars are the reason why so many European countries and international organizations shipped much of their gold reserves to the Fed in New York. The USA was seen as a more stable environment and was not easily subject to land invasion and seizure of the gold stocks.

    I had also read elsewhere that in one of the continuity of government sites around Washington DC, there is a site run by the Department of the Treasury whose purpose is to re-establish the US monetary system after a global or national catastrophe. Key to this effort is the storage of several million bills of US currency, all neatly shrink-wrapped. Similar stockpiles are said to exist in the Mid-west and West Coast. I certainly hope we don't ever have to implement that particular plan.
     
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    Quite a bit of BS here. First, NORAD HQ is not set up to be a refuge for the President and Congress. There was such a facility at a resort in West Virginia but it was decommissioned after the New York Times revealed it existed. (The Times also revealed the recent NSA monitoring of domestic telephone calls as ordered by the President. Too bad a few reporters and editors can't be charged with treason and hanged.) I'm sure a new secure facility to house the Congress and President has been built somewhere by now at a cost to the taxpayers of many millions of dollars. Wherever the refuge is, it has to be within helicopter range of Washington DC as that's how the leadership will be evacuated.

    While its true that the NORAD HQ does sit on large vibration dampers the place was built 30 years ago. It's concrete and steel walls were state of the art then, but not now, even so, they still get the job done.

    As for the Area 51 flights from Las Vegas, they use JANET XX callsigns. The flights can be easily monitored on a police scanner taking off in Vegas, then getting clearance to land from either Groom Lake tower or Tonopah tower (the Tonopah Test Range, also a part of Area 51). Real secret stuff.

    If you're talking about the recent Area 51 expose' that was on TV, the investigators parked in full view of the security gate to the JANET terminal at Las Vegas. The guard was shown several times staring at the investigators' car. Not too hard to figure out who called the PD and the guys in the black trucks, now is it?
     
  23. telomerase

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    The silver was secretly moved from West Point during WWII. They used it for the Manhattan Project magnets.

    The gold hasn't been audited since 1940s (several Congressmen have requested such an audit). If you want to think it's really there, fine. But there's no evidence.
     
  24. telomerase

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    I forgot to put my tinfoil hat company web address. (But look that up about the silver, it's true. And ask why it's so important not to audit the gold???)
     
  25. jtward01

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    When I visited Fort Knox and the gold depository we were told there's a special detachment of soldiers who have immediate access to weapons and ammo, and have special training to deploy around and defend, or to assault and retake the depository, as necessary.

    If you saw the recent program you may have noticed some old photos showing a large loudspeaker and sign on a pole at the beginning of the driveway leading to the depository. That's the way it was when I was there and the place was surrounded by grass and trees with the only fence the one near the building. Of course, there was a 200 yard free fire zone around the building. :p

    Our guide also told us about the system that automatically seals and floods the vault. He told us that in the 1950s a young boy and his dog entered the outflow pipe through a rusted grating and made it far enough into the building to trigger the system and both were drowned. The large outflow pipe was removed and several six-inch pipes installed following the incident.
     
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