Found out my neighbor is a "Fudd"

[The Alaskan]

I have a question for the Alaskan. Is the Mini-14 more acceptable because it has a traditional wood stock and a scope on it?

Put a 30 round magazine on a Mini-14, how is that any differet from an AR?

Its hilarious that Ruger was able to get the Mini exempted from the 1994 AWB, because there's no difference between the two, lol.

I'm actually trying to duck out of this discussion, but since you called me out by name...

No I don't see any difference at all between an AR15 and a Mini 14/30, and I also find it odd and stupidly comical that the Mini 14/30 was exempted from the 94 AWB.

I hate these discussions because they always end bad. I won't drink the kool-aid and agree with the black gun guys, so I'm a Fudd. This is why I avoid public gun ranges at almost any cost. Which means I haven't shot much in the past 15 years. It's also why I stopped participating in NRA High Power matches. I just got sick of being drummed over the head with the notion that, to be a good gun owner I had to love assault weapons. In fact, I'm not even allowed to call an assault weapon, an assault weapon. (I know the legal definition of the term "assault weapon" and I don't care; an AR15 is an assault weapon because, with the exception of selective fire, it's the same gun as the M16.)

Until about three weeks ago, I didn't feel any need to defend myself from my government, and I'm not certain I feel any need now, but I no longer have any confidence in our government's desire to protect and uphold some of our other rights. Still that doesn't mean I'm going to ru out and buy an assault weapon, join the Oath Keepers, and start planning to overthrow the government via armed insurrection. But that makes me a dirty Fudd and a "bad" gun owner.

 

[HammsBeer]

(I know the legal definition of the term "assault weapon" and I don't care; an AR15 is an assault weapon because, with the exception of selective fire, it's the same gun as the M16.)

Um, that's a pretty major difference right there! Civilian AR's are functionally no different from a 10/22 or any other semi-auto. Do you hate 10/22's?

You don't have to want or like the "evil black rifles", but the important thing is will you support our right to own such rifles?

 

[gamestalker]

No, an AL is an "auto loader" or semi automatic firearm, a term we use in the reloading forum. It does not refer to an aluminum frame firearm.

An aluminum is usually referred to as an alloy.

GS

 

[Red Wind]

Until about three weeks ago, I didn't feel any need to defend myself from my government, and I'm not certain I feel any need now, but I no longer have any confidence in our government's desire to protect and uphold some of our other rights. Still that doesn't mean I'm going to ru out and buy an assault weapon, join the Oath Keepers, and start planning to overthrow the government via armed insurrection. But that makes me a dirty Fudd and a "bad" gun owner.

I think you're a fine American . No matter your gun choices or your future personal or political objectives, your past postings prove that fact to me.

 

[ColoradoShooter77]

I did tell him it was for fun at the range, just shooting away at targets. That still didn't sway his perception of them.

I don't spray and pray either, its a controlled, steady and aimed rate of fire. I'm not trying to cook the barrel either.

The depth of our discussions is pretty limited because all he wants is a walnut 30-06 and I like those + everything else. He hunt's, I don't. I shoot for recreation, he doesn't.

He didn't care for my Hi Point 40 carbine either and that's a sweet gun. Its black and tactical, has the factory rails on it, that turns him off. He doesn't like black and tactical guns period, its pretty obvious.

 

[krimmie]

He has every right to not like black and tactical, but you seem to be inferring that means he doesn't support your(our) right to own such firearms. Body language wouldn't tell you that.

My buddy bought a.50 bmg a few years ago, and I thought it was pretty silly since the closest range that allows them is over 2 hrs away...doesn't mean I don't support his right to own one though

 

[ColoradoShooter77]

I need to ask him in a polite way, although he doesn't like AR's, will he support my right to own one.

I wonder if my 10/22 with a 25 round magazine is an "assault .22". LOL

 

[The Alaskan]

I need to ask him in a polite way, although he doesn't like AR's, will he support my right to own one.

Why? Why do you care? Why is it SO important to you how someone votes? Who are you to go around asking people what their political or moral leanings are? Who do you think you are?

You've got your AR, you like your AR. Fine, done. If the guys doesn't like your AR, or doesn't think you should own one, who cares?

This is the crap I'm talking about. Being a non AR-owning gun owner is like being a Witch in Salem in the 1600's. AR-owners often ask me how I would vote. It's a secret ballot for a reason. Leave the guy alone and go shoot your black gun. All you're going to do is upset the guy, and it won't change anything, other than you both have one less guy in your circle of friends.

 

[M-Cameron]

This is the crap I'm talking about. Being a non AR-owning gun owner is like being a Witch in Salem in the 1600's. AR-owners often ask me how I would vote. It's a secret ballot for a reason. Leave the guy alone and go shoot your black gun. All you're going to do is upset the guy, and it won't change anything, other than you both have one less guy in your circle of friends.

eh.....if he doesnt believe in my right to keep and bear arms.......chances are i dont want him as a friend anyways......

 

[BK]

If the guys doesn't like your AR, or doesn't think you should own one, who cares?

Because it is corrupt to impose your beliefs on another. That's why we care.

Being a non AR-owning gun owner is like being a Witch in Salem in the 1600's.

Uh, no. You said these things:

I believe they have their place on the battlefield, but not in a civilized society.

So if your true colors are that a particular rifle isn't appropriately placed within the hands of common folk, you are not the Mary Walcott in Salem, you are the Court of Oyer and Terminer in efforts to weed out the evil.

 

[Walkalong]

Why? Why do you care? Why is it SO important to you how someone votes?

Because gun ownership and the freedom that goes along with it is so important to some of us. I would hope folks would go about asking and encouraging in a polite and nice way, but obviously some don't. That obviously turns folks off. Like I posted earlier, calling people Fudds does nothing to encourage them to take our side on owning semi autos like ARs and hopefully even taking that into account when voting.

We need to be inclusive of all gun owners, polite, and respectful of other peoples opinions.

Being disrespectful when talking to people about the issue doesn't help anyone. That gets no one anywhere.

 

[ColoradoShooter77]

I'm glad I have a nice, secluded, private forest shooting hole to do my shooting. I really don't want to deal with people's bad attitude about my black rifle at a public range.

I'm going to leave it alone with my neighbor, he knows where I stand and I know where he stands. He can love it or hate it, that's his prerogative. As long as he doesn't advocate that AR's should be banned....we'll be good.

On the flipside, Alaskan, who are you to tell me I can't have an AR....based on your own attitude?

 

[gripper]

I got my preference in Firearms. Some old,some " modern sport-utility"... Based on performance and what I shoot best with.
To be honest, the attitude of some of those described as " Fudds" in this thread shows them to be not my kind of people... Just write them off as another " arrogant self righteous tyoe "- a type that has nothing better to do than insult those in the gun owning community and would rather not be around those like us....so don't associate or interact with them. You tried being polite. It didn't work. So stop.

 

[coloradokevin]

This a guy who owns a .308 bolt rifle, a shotgun and a 9mm pistol. That's it. We've done a lot of chatting about guns in general over the last few month's.

His philosophy of the RKBA is far different from mine.

I found this out when I showed him my newly acquired AR-15. He kind of sneered his nose and said "what do you need that for"? Wow.....really?

I guess he's ok with banning AR-15's, as long as he get to keep his .308 bolt rifle. That kind of attitude really irritates me!

I've got a feeling his whole attitude would change if he actually fired an AR-15, I don't care who you are, it puts a grin on your face.

He considers 3 boxes of ammo "stockpiling"......I want 1000 rounds of each caliber, minimum.

I have a neighbor who had the same basic philosophy. His collection consisted of a 1911 that his grandfather brought back from the war, and a .22 pistol and rifle. He was thinking about selling the 1911 at the time that I first found out he even had a gun, and I talked him out of parting with his grandfather's war relic (with the caution that if he should decide to sell it he should call me first).

Anyway, his philosophy has evolved over the past couple of years, and I'm sure that being around me has probably been part of the reason. He's now considering the purchase (or build) of his first AR-15.

 

[The Alaskan]

Because it is corrupt to impose your beliefs on another. That's why we care.

Uh, no. You said these things:

So if your true colors are that a particular rifle isn't appropriately placed within the hands of common folk, you are not the Mary Walcott in Salem, you are the Court of Oyer and Terminer in efforts to weed out the evil.

You'll also notice that I wrote I understand why those guns need to be allowed to be in civilian hands, but I'm not going to fight your battle for you. I'm not going to vote 2A only. There are other issues, and if a candidate is solidly 2A, but I think his domestic or foreign policies are crap, I'm not going not vote for him just so yo can keep your AR. On the other side of that, I'm certainly not going with hold my vote, or vote against, because a candidate supports AR's.

You guys are always whining about your rights being violated, that you're under constant attack, but you seem to have no issue taking the same tack. You'll go harass your neighbor, a fellow gun owner, because he doesn't like your gun. You talk about the horrid intolerance of the left, yet you're pretty much "my way or the highway, for us or against us" type yourselves. No wonder nothing gets done in Congress.

Colorado Shooter, you don't need to avoid gun ranges, they are FILLED with your people. I avoid gun ranges because this same discussion we've had here, happens almost every time I go to a range. (Which is like 1-2 times per year now at most. It always starts the same way...AR shooter starts telling me how we all have to be as well armed as the government (which can never be, by the way) and why don't I have an AR? It usually goes down from there. I've never, in my life met an assault weapon owner (in real time-you guys might be different) who didn't either start out or end up talking about how we have to be ready to overthrow the government at a moment's notice, and I have to support hi right to own a gun with which to do that.

Think about my original post here (#54). I started out with a relatively benign comment that, while I dislike those guns I see very real reasons why they should be in civilian hands. From that, you guys took (wants all AR's banned.) Throw your back out jumping to conclusions much?

 

[ColoradoShooter77]

Alaskan, I'm absolutely not one of those silly "overthrow the government" type. That's just an idiotic fantasy.

I'd enjoy having a mature discussion about it, but if that kind of stuff comes up....I'm gone.

I bought the AR because they intrigued me, I wanted to add a different gun to the arsenal, it was a good deal and as it turns out.....its a whole lotta fun!

I can also understand the folks that use them every day, i.e police and military, don't get the fun factor out of them. Kind of like being a gun dealer would take the fun out of shooting, to a large degree.

For me, finding some AR owners to get together and shoot with, would be really cool. I know I would really enjoy it, as long as they stay way from idiotic fantasy land.

 

[jcwit]

Haven't posted much on this thread, but I will say to me, I do not wish to own an AR, Black Rifle or whatever you wish to call it. I really can't express why, for some reason they just don't interest me.

However I do own a Garand and a few M1 Carbines, would like a M1A, just can't see spending that kind of cash for one.

So I have no problem with those who wish to own an AR, and label me a FUDD if you wish.

 

[ColoradoShooter77]

That's the key jcwit, you don't oppose my right to own one, so we're good.

 

[The Alaskan]

That's the key jcwit, you don't oppose my right to own one, so we're good.

I don't necessarily oppose your right to own one either, but I'm not, as yet, interested in overthrowing the government, or military training with an AR (been there, done that), and, in my limited experience, that's what AR owners are into, and they seem to feel like, to quote Hank Williams, Jr. "...if you ain't into that then I don't give a damn." That's a mind set I can't understand.

 

[JSH1]

eh.....if he doesnt believe in my right to keep and bear arms.......chances are i dont want him as a friend anyways......

I've never understood the idea of surrounding oneself with like-minding people. What do you talk about? I have a wide variety of hobbies so I bump into a wide variety of people. A discussion with someone on the opposite side of an issue is far more interesting to me than sitting around nodding is agreement with one another.

 

[Davek1977]

Just an example of how tides are turning in our favor, especially among the youth. I had opportunity to shoot some clay pigeons with some new shooters this weekend. Among the shotguns were my American Arms O/U with a wood stock, My dad's old Western Field pump .410, and a couple of Mossberg 500's with black synthetic stocks. A 16 yr old girl who had previously expressed little to no interest in guns (due to a traumatic exeprience as a young child that I don't wish to discuss here) not only overcame her fear, but proved to be a bit of a natural, busting clays with astonishing regularity. That said, she didn't really want to shoot my O/U. She even realized her rationale for not shooting it didn't make sense, but she felt the "black" guns seemed "safer"...."like military grade". I assured her it was just as safe as the Mossy's but you could tell she just wasn;t quite comfortable with it, and I didn't press the issue. That said, it certainly brought home the fact that today's kids see "black" guns as the norm, and the walnut and blued steel guns are the ones that seem to be "different" to them. The odds of her growing up to be a "Fudd" are slim to none, IMO

 

[Al Thompson]

And that wraps it up nicely.