Free the 25 auto.

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MICHAEL T

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Since most everybody says that the 25 auto is useless, no stoping power, will bounce off your head and all the other stories ,that are around. Lets get the round and guns removed from all controls. I mean their no better, if as good as a BB gun So owner ship should no be restricted. How about that folks?

You know I was thinking Ive heard the same said of 22,32,380,9mm,38spl,40 and 45 so lets free them up also. But not those deadly 357 mags or 41,44 mags they need to be restricted why to powerful for common man. :D
 
While the .25 sucks, it aint gonna happen. It still uses a controlled explosion to fire the projectile, rather than compressed air (or gas) such as a BB or airsoft gun.

While I dont see a run of the mill leather jacket stopping a .25, I could imagine one designed for motorcyclists could hold up pretty well if the .25 hit in one of the areas that were double-layered or armored, such as the elbows, shoulders, kidneys, etc.

Since a good leather jacket would cost at least $300, I dont wanna try it either.
 
The problem isnt the .25 caliber. Its the pressures and velocities its loaded to.

Instead of dumping the caliber, I would rather dump every cheap, weak gun made for it, and start loading it hotter. I would be fine having a seven shot .25 caliber handgun pushing a 50 grain bullet 850 FPS. The .32 is ok, but the .25 has the advantage of no rimlock.

Also, I think the stories about the .25 being stopped by a leather jacket or heavy clothing are BS. It is just as rediculous as saying a .357 magnum will blow right through an engine block. :rolleyes:
 
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I really like the Beretta Jetfire, Baby Browning and others. These are IMO really well made guns with great triggers.

Maybe one of the more learned can and will share more history of the .25 ACP and guns.

I don't care to be shot with anything personally. I have seen the .22lr kill and the victim of a .45 live...shot placement....but ya gotta have "something" in order to "place" a bullet, any bullet,of any size. Right?

Collecting, Fun, Nostalgia, History, Sentimental...even defense.

Yeah I personally like the trigger , action and reliability of a Jetfire over a Keltec P32,or P3AT. I finally shot the Keltecs....

For a deep BUG BUG gimme a NAA mini or Jetfire.

Smallest gun I carry is a snubby .38spl or 9mm.
 
lets notthrow away all the carppy pistols. Here is my idea:
Get all the junk guns amd a whole lot of ammo. Fire them until they jam up or show problems. Put an uber-hot proof load in it, and touch it off from a distance. We get to see an explosion and a sub-standard firearm is removed from existance.

At least we get to go shooting. ;)
 
I had a Beretta 21 pistol in .25acp once and I can tell you that it had quite a bit of penetration. No air pistol would come even remotely close. Had more penetration than the same gun in .22 lr in my tests and there is NO way reasonable feasable that a normal leather jacket will stop one. Least not any jacket I own.

Tim
 
Having worked as a paramedic full time in a city of decent size for 20 years I can tell you that some of those stories are true. Probably more than you would like to admit.
As an example, I have personally seen with my own two eyes right in front of me, more than one person who had a .25 ACP bullet "bounce" off their skull: the bullet traveled under their skin for several inches but did not penetrate the skull. I have never seen a leather coat stop a .25 ACP round, but it wouldn't surprise me at all, and I am absolutely sure it has happened. I have seen numerous people who were killed with a .25 ACP also.
 
The old saying is, "A .25 Auto is what you carry when you don't want to carry a gun" :).

Even with that said, I would not want to get shot with one. A face full of 50 grain FMJs at close range would not be pretty, especially for the bad guy.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
Whilst the .25ACP is a weak round compared to the rounds and/or firearms most of us carry or keep for home defense, I know I wouldn't want to be shot by one. I also do carry a NAA mini .22 mag at least a couple days out of every month; as a good friend of mine who also carrires one occasionally says; "It will get someone off you.". The real point here is that it's better to be armed than not armed regardless of the particular weapon(s) in question.
 
I, too, have a .25 auto story.

And it's second-hand, too!

A "friend of a neighbor" once told me that he'd been shot by one of those. IIRC, he told me that he was out drinking one night, and felt something funny in his forearm the next morning. On looking, he saw a hole there, like a LARGE pimple, squeezed it, and out popped a .25acp bullet.

I have also heard of people being instantaneously shot dead on the spot by those things.

No rational person wants to get shot, as Mr. Barnes (of "Cartridges of the World") said. A .25 would certainly deter me, if you think I should back off.

However, there exist, from time to time, people who are brave and/or crazy. That's why we have bigger guns.

I think I remember reading that the reason police departments went from .32 S&W to .38 Colt Special was the racist cocaine scare of 100 yrs ago; you know, "Negroes with their heads full of cocaine cannot be stopped by ordinary pistols in their insane jungle lust to rape the white women!"

And then, shortly afterwards, we had to buy even bigger pistols to shoot those pesky Filipinos!

I guess what I'm trying to say here, is that if an otherwise prudent decent rational person gets temporarily out of line, you might be able to dissuade and chill him by displaying even a just-barely-deadly weapon, but if ya gotcha a Juramentado, well, crew-served artillery is cool.

P.S.
Don't we have at least one Filipino member who has bragged here about his countrymen being so hard to kill, that we had to invent a whole new cartridge, just for them?


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How about .25 Super?

Many years ago, a gentleman gun maker (class III type) friend of mine was toying with the idea of a .25 Super. Essentially, he was playing with a locked breech .25 ACP that put out a 50 grain FMJ at 1200 or so. He was making too much money making trick guns for the movie industry, and the idea never went anywhere.

Pity.
 
The closest I heard of a .25 super is the .25NAA. Its a .32ACP necked to .25, but becuase of the risk of rimlock im a little doubtful.

I know the .25 case could handle higher pressures, and a gun like the Beretta Jetfire could handle it.

If you could find a reloading press for the .25, you could really bring out the cartridges potential (50 grain FMJ at up to 950 FPS?).

I wouldnt want to see another cartridge fade into history.
 
Igor takes a bullet.....

Quite a few years ago when I was living a slightly less-than-exemplary lifestyle, I witnessed the result (or lack thereof) of a .25 auto shooting.

I fellow I knew, nicknamed Igor, was on the receiving end of a fmj .25 acp. Now Igor was about 6'1" at around 210 lbs. most of which was very solid muscle, very little of it fat.

At any rate, Igor was at the top of a staircase of a seedy hotel on Main Street in Huntington Beach, California, when a guy at the bottom of the stairs who had a beef with Igor proceeded to shoot him with his mouse gun. It hit Igor in the abdomen, a little above and to one side or the other of his navel. I wasn't there at the time, but another friend said Igor looked down at his stomach, then at the shooter, and said something to the effect of, "You shot me you little *****, I'm gonna kill you!" - at which time the shooter decided to take up running as a viable exercise for his health as opposed to waiting around and letting Igor massage him a bit.

I didn't witness the shooting, but was at Igor's apartment later in the day, where he was sitting around drinking beer, with a bandaid over the (rather shallow) hole in his gut and grumbling about what he'd do to the guy if he came back. On a table next to him was the bullet that his girlfriend had removed with tweezers. It was summer at the beach and all the clothing between the bullet and Igor's skin was a t-shirt.

While I wouldn't want to be shot with a .25 (or anything) and Igor wasn't your average physical specimen - that was pathetic performance from a firearm.
 
Last weekend i was shooting my .357 and brought along my .25 just for giggles.I had an old school annual that had been completely soaked in water and used it to test some Winchester 110 gr hollowpoints.The annual was 500 pages thick.I shot 2 110 gr.hollowpoints into it from about 7 yards,one penetrated to page 477 and mushroomed quite nicely,the other penetrated to page 494 and and didn't mushroom quite as much as the first.Both bullets left impressive wound channels that i could easily stick my pinkie finger back into.Then,just to see what would happen i loaded a standard 50 gr .25 into my Intratec "Protector" and from about 5 feet fired into the book,i recovered the bullet on page 211 just sitting there,no deformity whatsoever.I then loaded a 35 gr,i think,MagSafe defender into the pistol and from about 5 feet fired into the book..I wouldn't have believed it,if i hadn't seen it,the magsafe round had torn a wound channel every bit as big as my .357 and had exited the back of the book,leaving a helluva exit hole.That was the first time i had ever fired a Magsafe of any kind and it was damn impressive,even from a .25 auto.My point is,if i had to carry a .25,MagSafes would definately be the ammo i would carry in it.
 
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As an example, I have personally seen with my own two eyes right in front of me, more than one person who had a .25 ACP bullet "bounce" off their skull: the bullet traveled under their skin for several inches but did not penetrate the skull.

Jim Cirillo has reported similar or identical results with .38 special rounds. The results of shooting a person "somewhere" in the head are not all that predictable.
 
I have not seen this personally with any other cartridge, however I have heard of it happening.
However, I think you missed my point.
The original post seemed to me to be dripping with sarcasm and implyed that these stories were BS. They are not. Sure, these same statements may apply to other cartridges as well, but this thread is about the .25 ACP.
 
Also, I think the stories about the .25 being stopped by a leather jacket or heavy clothing are BS. It is just as rediculous as saying a .357 magnum will blow right through an engine block.
Why the rolleyes? A .357 magnum will crack a cast-iron block with one shot. I think that was one of the publicity stunts Wesson did, along with killing grizzly bears.

With the right ammo, the .357 can penetrate an engine block with one shot. Don't know if a .25 can be stopped by a leather jacket, though.

http://www.logicsouth.com/~lcoble/2ndamend/ammo.txt
 
They can certainly kill you. One of my uncles was a Vietnam vet in his early 40's when his wife killed him with a single shot from a tiny little .25 Auto. Nothing to fool around with! She even managed to convince the law that she was defending herself from him and didn't serve any time for it. Even though there wasn't a mark on her.

Gregg
 
A friend of mine when I was in the military had a little 25 auto gun which he used to shoot a sign on the fence. The sign was similar in size and composition to an ordinary "no parking" sign. At 25 yards he never missed and it never failed to penetrate.

It takes thousands of psi to penetrate a human skull. An angular blow by a curved object carrying only a few hundred ft-lbs of force does stand a good chance of being deflected. Bet you'd still be seeing some stars though!

A leather jacket? :rolleyes:
 
Hello.

I dont own a .357, in fact ive never shot one, but I can say that a .357 doesnt have the penitration power most claim. The energy might crack old, weak iron, but most of the time like with most other regular handguns, the bullet will just spatter.

I might be wrong, but judging from what ive seen 10mm Double Tap loads do to steel (which has more energy and still doesnt produce impressive penitration), I dont think a .357 magnum will penitrate more than 3/32 inch of good steel.

BTW thanks for the interesting read.
 
25 Auto Reality Check

The purpose of the 25 auto is concealment. This mouse gun can be hidden anywhere easily. A ten year old little girl can fire it easily. Empty it into your attacker and you likely will kill him/her.
The 25 you have in your pocket is much more effective than the 44 mag you left in the car because its so uncomfortable to carry.
 
a close personal friend of mine shot himself with a 25ACP. The was getting ready to clean it and he 'forgot' to clear it first. Oh well, fired a shot in one side his leg and out the other... missed all the bones, blood vessels and nerves. He was at his store at the time, and so some customers walked in and were looking around. "Can I help you folks with something?" "We're looking for an antique knife" "Well I've got a few over there, but choose quickly, I've shot myself and have to go the hospital."
They bought a 100 dollar knife and my friend drove himself to the hospital, where they x-rayed his leg (no damage), and gave him two pieces of gauze, one for each side.

atek3
 
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