From the BBC: Police seek EU gun laws rethink

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mjrodney: That sounds absurd beyond my wildest imagination! Can you post a link to said journalists work? I would love to read those things in context and see if they get any better..
 
blank firing guns?

Looking at the average blank firing gun or starter pistol it's pretty obvious that it would be easier and simpler to make a gun from scratch than to try and convert a blank firing gun. (But wait! That's the way S&W, Ruger, et al, do it!)
 
Are they talking about airsoft guns and starter pistols?
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No, the Europeans are quite fond of 8mm blank guns or tear gas guns that fire 8mm tear gas cartridges. (I once testified as an expert witness that an 8mm tear gas gun held against a victim's neck was a means likely to cause death or serious bodily injury to sustain an aggravated assault charge, but I digress.)

These guns are very realistic in appearance, and are, indeed, designed for self-defense, if one subscribes to the theory that thugs will be too frightened to call the blank gun wielder's bluff. They are readily available and don't require a hard-to-get CCW permit to carry. Apparently they are also easily converted to low-powered (.32ACP, .380ACP) handguns, although I'd hate to hold one in my hand while firing a live round through it. That's what all the hand-wringing is about.

If the UK, an island nation, can't control the illegal imports of toy/live firearms, just how the bloody blue blazes do they figure that any set of laws anywhere will stop those who don't abide by the law from acquiring them?
 
Once again, they don't want to face the ugly question: "Why does Britain have such a well-developed criminal culture, almost a whole separate nation, thriving in its midst?"

The US has some of the same thing going on, of course. And we have the same reluctance to honestly ask the same question.

It's pretty well demonstrated that you can have whole populations with guns in every home, without that sort of criminal culture. Many US locales fit that, but so do Finland, Switzerland, and Israel. And it's also pretty well demonstrated that, when you have such a criminal culture, any possible tool will be used for crime. Again, see certain US locales.
 
ok, i'm chiming in, but doesn't it seem like the illigal guns in britian cause the culture to be even more violent. well yes. i saw a bit on the today show about the british teens and their guns and i swear it was clockwork orange come to life. ahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!! this is typical, instead going "well, we we're wrong, makeing guns illigal is not going to work." they go "damn you people in another place! your messing us up!". and yet again, a scapegoat is born.
 
Once again there seems to be a general thought that the Uk is swamped by a criminal culture.Yes we have our problems like the vast majority of countries,to say we have a major problem is just rubbish.Hand guns have been used in a dozen or so high profile incidents (children involved) over the past YEAR!! and this boils over in the press at home and abroad and the anti gun lobby get on their high horse.
Could we please borrow Charlton on his chariot to put things into perspective.
 
How does England believe they will force thier laws on everyone else? Do we see a return of the British Empire? The Czech Republic was under the Soviet thumb for how long - do you think they will like the idea of the Queen telling them how to live? Airstrip One is so screwed up - howinthehell did they ever form an Empire?
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Listen up please because it isn't quite like this anymore.The Queen HM Elizabeth The Second,doesn't make the rules or has any consultation in them at all.Her speech is written for her by the government and finally read by the Prime Minister,before it goes to her,to read to the nation.Now that is scary because can't she write her own speech and to do so,is more respectful than,to just treat her,like a figurehead.Just like Father,in Equilibrium.

The socialist idiots have taken over and have caused so much trouble in this country,that it is gradually falling apart at the seams.The Britain 20 or 30 years ago,isn't the modern Britain and neither is it now like the days of Empire.Oliver Cromwell saw to it,that the Monachy should be deposed and their absolute powers removed,but his legacy didn't last long,at all.

As for replica conversions,it's common now because being a gangsta,is cool to many of these wayward kids and the acceptance of Yardie,badmen as normal,is a common feature over here.The conversions that were attempted,were so dangerous that most people were afraid to fire them,in case they blew up in their hands or in their faces.

By the way,blank guns are alright over here is they are Home Office approved and are in bright colours.Realistic finishes or original finishes,require "good reason" and so you have to be screened.
Gangsta rap,hip-hop and garage music are common causes,of stupid kids,being hooked into the gang cultures.When I was a teen,it was football hooligansim,Brit-Pop and Manchester Sounds-that many copied and not any gangsta influences at all and now they even speak like African-Americans and Jamacian Rude-Boys,too.
 
I watched this rubbish on the BBC last night. Usual scare-mongering and sensationalist nonsense by the press.

The only interesting bit was when the newsreader asked the interviewee to put the ‘gun crime problem’ in Britain into perspective. He replied ‘you’ve got one in a million chance of being shot in Britain’ … I rest my case as I can live with those odds.

I've lived here for 48 years and have never seen anyone with a gun (except the shooting range of course), I don't know anyone who has been shot and I have never been in fear of my life. Then a again, I don't walk about in known trouble spots in the early hours of the morning carrying a sign saying 'mug me'
 
Have I been asleep for ten years,I am in the trade and here very little of illegal conversions.There is a story that pops up once a year but that is it.As for Yardie gangsters they were about a few years ago but the majority grew up had a hair cut and got a job with the local council.Come on it is blown out of all proportion,the only problem we have as gun owners and users is the anti gun lobby,and they will be delighted with the anti gun publicity they are getting.
 
I watched this rubbish on the BBC last night. Usual scare-mongering and sensationalist nonsense by the press.
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Oh,I strongly agree and they should take the BBC off-air,like they did in Pakistan and should only let them re-broadcast,if they are licensed to 'only tell the truth' and not to misinform or decieve the ignorant proletarians of this stupid country.Even the police associations have gone 'far-left' too and we pay these lazy commisioners and cheifs,to meet in posh golf clubs,like Stoke Park and others,for meetings.Well at least the armed forces is still made of the 'good stuff' and antis aren't welcome there,at all.
 
Have I been asleep for ten years,I am in the trade and here very little of illegal conversions.There is a story that pops up once a year but that is it.As for Yardie gangsters they were about a few years ago but the majority grew up had a hair cut and got a job with the local council.Come on it is blown out of all proportion,the only problem we have as gun owners and users is the anti gun lobby,and they will be delighted with the anti gun publicity they are getting.
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Yes and this might be the sinister work of the GCN.They failed with banning Pump/Semi-auto shotguns and so they are focusing on replicas and exploiting the stupid and ignorant people,that are anti-gun and the kids that cause these crimes.It was proven in 2004,by GunMart magazine that Brocock air-cartridge guns were difficult or nearly-impossible to convert,by the government and Home Office,ignored this.Who are the experts,the gun trade members or the government,hmmm...?
 
Sweet. Screw driving to Chicago and filling out forms to take my PPK to Prague with me, I'll just buy one when I get there. Anyone else need some illegal firearms, I can pick up some for you :)

(just kidding, to anyone who might be processing my visa......)
 
In Britain they've just brought the VCR bill into law which prohibits all sales of replicas apart from air soft for which you must own a over-18 skirmish license, but blank firers and the like are a big no-no. However anyone it seems can just drive them over from Europe, I did that once even though it was a BB gun, it could have been any pistol.
 
In Britain they've just brought the VCR bill into law which prohibits all sales of replicas apart from air soft for which you must own a over-18 skirmish license, but blank firers and the like are a big no-no. However anyone it seems can just drive them over from Europe, I did that once even though it was a BB gun, it could have been any pistol.
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Nearly there,but not quite.From October 1st 2007,it is illegal for any person to buy or sell any replica gun in a realistic/original finish or in a colour that isn't approved of by the Home Office.All replicas can still be bought over here,except that they are painted in bright colours and the only way to get ones in original finishes or ones that aren't on the approved colours list,is to either join as an airsoft or a historical reenactment member and show evidence of this,to the dealers.So if they ask you for a drivers license or some concrete evidence,that you are a member of a theatre/media/film company,then don't be alarmed or angered,as I've had to jump through these silly little hoops,like a lapdog.

Note that these persons can still buy these guns over the internet.Blank firers are still legal,as they are replicas and can be bough in bright colours-but we are limited to Home Office approved ones,only.The ones that are on sale are as follows:Glock 17,.380 Magnum replica,.22LR Defender.

Frontline Armouries are a British company,based in North Yorkshire,that specialise in manufacturing Blank-firing weaponry and they are Home Office certified,too.Their stuff is 100% UK legal,still.
 
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If they make all things illegal, than they can arrest us all... Once we are all safely tucked in jail, we certainly can't perpetrate any violent acts on one another...
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What? Prisons are some of the most violent places on earth.
 
Unfortunately the UK has had a very large increase in violent crime, in the last 20 years. I believe they surpassed us some years ago according to their Home Office.
I am to lazy to look it up again, but as I remember their violent crime rate is about twice ours at this point.
 
Where I live you can get a mac-10 for £500 ($1000) and a pistol for around £150 - Londons full of em
 
Czech gun laws

Greetings,

I am from Czech Republic and I would like to ask: Do you know if there is any gun forum in UK? This article is really manipulated heavily and full of nonsense. I tried to post some correcting info on BBC page, but there is no forum attached to this article.

P.S. Excuse me for my English :)
 
I just got around to reading this and as an engineering student I find it hilarious.
In a standard engineering workshop these can be converted to fire real bullets.
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So you can just walk into a machine shop, give them a gun, and tell them to convert it for you for a flat fee? The only possible solution is to ban lathes, drill presses, and mills. I want to know what machine shop they found that would even look at a gun without calling the cops in Britain.
 
I think they mean all those criminals who have access to/ownership of a machine shop. :rolleyes:

I can see the headlines now.. Mass-murdering machinists cause havoc with self-created toy zip guns!
 
Not to scare them further by mentioning that with a standard machine shop you could make a simple full auto gun like the M3 or the Sten.
 
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