Frommer: Arizona off travel list after guns seen outside Obama speech

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I wonder if this moron realizes that law abiding people go armed in 90% of the United States? He is focusing on AZ because of recent events in the news but people are routinely armed in most states.

His characterization of armed citizens as "thugs" and "extremists" was beyond the pale. This pasty-faced, limp-wristed fop needs to grow a set.

I am so ashamed of my own English heritage when I see the sort of wussies (except for the soccer fans who engage in mindless violence) the English have become. Hard to believe these cowering bowls of jelly are the descendants of Harold the Saxon and William the Conqueror.
 
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I will be open carrying at a TH meeting this coming Monday. No need to be afraid, I'm one of the good guys. If you are afraid stay home and cower while the government dictates your life.
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I totally agree with doing this. What I don't agree with is the "wording" of their protest. The first person to get publicity was holding a sign that suggested that the "tree of liberty be watered." Meaning with the blood of tyrants. Thats sounds like a veiled threat no matter how you spin it.

The man with the rifle only said, "Because I can," when media asked him why he was carrying. That just sounds like you are saying "screw you."

If you are going to protest something do it with your words as well. If you want more people to follow your example or atleast appreciate your movement hold a sign that says something like, "I pose you less threat than socialized healthcare." Or something like "I'm defending, not destroying." If they don't give you an opportunity to talk to the media you need a sign or something that will go with the picture of you that makes you look like you're there for some other reason than to threaten the president.
 
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quoteJustify it anyway you want this "healthcare" bill is unconstitutional.


Than use your power to vote and or the legal system to challenge.When you say it is time to "water the tree of liberty" you are saying that toward fellow citizens and that is where it makes you look bad quoting that line from Jefferson with a AR slung on you at a healthcare or whatever rally.

Your rights are no more than your neighbors when it comes to a freely elected government.The day they try deny you a voice and or threaten you like we saw in Iran than that day you will have the right to call to arms but other wise no.

Longdayjake the man with the rifle said "I am totally against this health care proposal and we must show we can fight back"
 
Jerkface actually the Democrats are in turmoil.With all the protest they have had to back track and possibly give up the public option.By public mass buying they have had to back down on a weapons ban.By mass outcry they had to shelve the cap&trade.

Personally I don't want government takeover of healthcare,however insurance companies are out of control also and I am for a government pool for those that have pre existing conditions that no insurance will insure.

However it comes out though the people ultimately decided and or can fight it through a ballot box or the courts,we are no where near a so called "tyranny" and we must accept a freely elected administration even if we don't agree.

All Americans take pride in the fact that every 4 years is a "revolution" and that their voice matters,
 
Longdayjake the man with the rifle said "I am totally against this health care proposal and we must show we can fight back"
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Oh, when I read the story the only words they credited to the man were, "because I can." This new quote sounds even worse than the first.
 
It would be hard to find someone more pro-2nd Amendment than I, and I'm very active in RKBA activities.

That said, carrying openly at a political event is a very stupid thing to do, and will only lead to more pressure on our RKBA freedoms...not only in the state where it occurred.

I go with posts Nos. 16 and 22 above.
 
The only thing that I have to say on this matter is... (and I am not sure how to say it without sounding like an extremist nutball)... the government should "fear" the people, not the other way around.
 
If you agree with their actions or not, the fact remains it is good that they have the option to do so. Can and should are two different things.
 
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The only thing that I have to say on this matter is... (and I am not sure how to say it without sounding like an extremist nutball)... the government should "fear" the people, not the other way around.
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It’s very hard not to be viewed as an extremist with a statement like that. IMO, fear should not be a part of the equation. The government was and always has been elected by the people. The American electoral process is the envy of the world. This time around our political agenda didn’t resonate with the majority of the voters. With the way things are going, we have a good chance of advancing our agenda in 2010 and 2012. I really don’t think injecting fear into the political process is a wise move politically and it has the potential of creating a political backlash that will undo the advances we’ve made over the years. JMHO
 
The wife and I just returned to Texas from spending a week in AZ. Very glad we went. Had a great time.
 
It’s very hard not to be viewed as an extremist with a statement like that. IMO, fear should not be a part of the equation. The government was and always has been elected by the people. The American electoral process is the envy of the world. This time around our political agenda didn’t resonate with the majority of the voters. With the way things are going, we have a good chance of advancing our agenda in 2010 and 2012. I really don’t think injecting fear into the political process is a wise move politically and it has the potential of creating a political backlash that will undo the advances we’ve made over the years. JMHO
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If you noticed the word fear is in quotes. What I am having trouble articulating is that the government has, for many years, been forgetting that they work for us and that we have opinions. Many elected officials think that they can do what ever they want and do not "fear" repercussions.

I think that for the first time in a long time they are starting to feel that they are being watched and we are not going to be the silent majority any longer. They need to know ("fear") that they will be held accountable for their decisions. While OC during political events may not be wise (everyone needs to make that decision for themselves), the political elite are now aware that we will not allowed our voices and our rights to be trampled any further for their decisions.

Fear can be good thing. I equate my use of the word fear to the use of the term "fear of God".
 
Thanks for the clarification, TimM. You make some very good points. The health care debate is a good example of what you speak. I'm sure the Obama/Democratic administration expected to ram the socialist health care bill down our throats but the voice of the people has made the government "Fear" the wrath of the people. I, personally prefer the word "respect" the will of the people. Staying on topic, the carrying of guns at political rallies that are not gun rights rallies does inject real fear in the general populus and can make the government feel anxious about how even-handed a political discussion can be when guns are factored into the political debate.
 
Mohawk saying "the government should fear us" is not a extremist statement.But so far the government is still the people.Politicians even though often corrupt (both parties) and they lie(both parties),ultimately still bow to the people and they fear loosing power in office.The public demonstrations and legal challenges are showing that politicians do fear.

My point is though the American system still works through peaceful process,and "tyranny" is subjective,which personally I don't think America has become given what I said above.

Anyway I am done with this thread,I have said my peace and opinion.I would love to talk and debate the finer points of subjects beyond gun topic but can't do that here.

I debate and express view (and learn) at this forum,one of a few forums to express debate which has many points of view,it is great to chat with likewise minded people but more eye and mind opening to engage those of different opinions sometimes.There are many health debate topics and other topics including guns on it.

http://www.city-data.com/forum/politics-other-controversies/

LK out
 
It's sad when Thomas Jefferson's words are described as "extremist".
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I think Thomas Jefferson and the other founders were pretty much extremists! There is nothing wrong with extremism as long as it is for the right things.
 
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