Frommer: Arizona off travel list after guns seen outside Obama speech

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This is already under discussion here: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=470082. I said this before--I don't disagree with the idea that the guy had the right to open carry, but I do think the negative backlash was entirely predictable. Sometimes the ability to exercise a right carries with it the responsibility not to blow it for the rest of us.

I've responded on Frommer's blog with a vigorous defense of the RKBA, but that doesn't diminish my belief that the folks who did this at a presidential event were a bunch of dipsticks who did so at the expense of the rest of us. We'll see where all of this goes, but I think it's more likely to lead to greater gun restrictions, rather than a chorus of "Gosh, the guy with the black rifle didn't shoot the President, so now I'm convinced that guns don't pose a threat."
 
1. Frommer is a "travel guru". He has published the difinitive travel books since 1957. He's a crusty, old reactionary, fart who thinks he can sway public opinion.

2. I guess Obama speaks wherever he wants.

Us vets figured that he might throw some money our way for veteran's care. The cash for clunkers program was like someone driving down main street throwing stacks of hundreds out of an 84 Chrysler LeBarron convertable. We thought he might throw some our way. :)
 
If this moron keeps it up his bio will end up reading:


Arthur Frommer
The "Zumbo" of travel guides.




Kris
 
I love self-important people who think that the works they write are gospel. I don't even know who this fool is and I couldn't care less if he ever writes about Arizona again.
 
The interesting thing in all this is that the main parties involved, The Phoenix PD, The Secret Service, and the White House, have all said "big deal" to the whole thing. Now all the uninvolved loonies are coming out of the woodwork and crying. But what else did we expect?
 
Everything I saw pointed to this event being a peaceful one. Do you think it is possible that the presence of openly carried weapons put a damper on folks who might have otherwise been rowdy?

I'd like to think that was the case.

I wonder if openly carried weapons can serve as a reminder to others in society that everyone isn't a potential victim.
 
Woohoo!!!

Fewer foreigners to aggravate us in AZ!

Don't know what the big deal is. I OCd when I met our former governor, now head of Homeland Security, Janet "Horseface" Napolitano. I also open carried when I met with our congressional rep at the local tea party.

At the tea party about one in ten people were OC. There were a lot of politicians there. No one mentioned anything about anyone OC.

I OC pretty much every day. At my bank they still greet me with "Hello Mr. ..." When I run into the mayor on a First Friday downtown he shakes my hand. When I razz a particular member of our county board of supervisors about carrying concealed he laughs and tells me it is more PC to cover up.

Like many other Arizonans, I just feel it is my right. Like most Arizonans, it is simply accepted.
 
I would LOVE to see them try to ban OC here in VA...there would be a thousand-plus people in Richmond the day after the bill is introduced to let them know that if they pass it, they'll be voted out.
 
Fewer foreigners to aggravate us in AZ!
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I actually think that this sort of thing will attract more Europeans (at least the French and maybe the Germans), even if it's more of a "novelty" type attraction to them. When I had a French exchange student as a roommate awhile back, he was obsessed with the Wild West, and always wanted to see cowboy things, and really wanted to see cowboy revolvers and lever-guns. We took him shooting once, and he loved it. It was also really amusing to him that we could carry our guns around.

All his friends were very into the Wild West notion as well. None of them were hoplophobes by any stretch of the word, but they just though that the notion of carrying was silly. The more he watched our local news though, the more he considered the merits of carrying.

At any rate, today the paper's comments are back to supporting the 2A, so I suppose people were just bringing in antis yesterday or something.
 
This is a clip taken from on of the comments on that bizjournal article:
People like [the "gun toters"] paint a picture of Arizona as a scary place populated by radical people. . . . . It is too bad that we give nut-bags as much free rein as we do and that we tend to have low-turnout elections (Arizona is among the lowest in the country) so that radical candidates are elected who naturally garner a lot of negative national attention.
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I find it alarming that supporters of RKBA have this kind of opposition out there, apparently sproting a "socialism good, guns bad" mentality.
 
Gee.... I wonder if Arthur Frommer will take Ohio off of the travel list. We have open carry as well as concealed carry.

So does that mean to an anti-gunner, If I can't see your gun I feel safe. What a stupid way of thinking.

I believe taking guns away from the populous is not about crime and "gun control", it's about people control. I also believe that most anti-gunners are lead to believe this, but it is really a government movement of controlling you "we the people."
 
I bet Rick Steves is loving this. His travel guides will sell even better

If Frommer don't like it here he is free to pack his $hi& and leave.
 
Let's all write this Frommer with photographs of ourselves openly carrying in the various states where it's permitted, wishing him well on his travels. :)
 
MisterMike, be careful who you are calling a dipstick. If you want to be chicken fodder, do so that is your right. Do not however cast aspersions on law abiding citizens who are interested in protecting their rights as guaranteed by the founding fathers, because when you do you become one of them who would deny us our rights. There is no walking both sides of this street. You are either for us or against us. I will be open carrying at a TH meeting this coming Monday. No need to be afraid, I'm one of the good guys. If you are afraid stay home and cower while the government dictates your life. THR mantra is keeping me from saying to you what I would really like to, so instead I will just place you on ignore.
 
quote" guaranteed by the founding fathers~, because when you do you become one of them who would deny us our rights. ~There is no walking both sides of this street. ~You are either for us or against us. ~the government dictates your life. ~ I will just place you on ignore."

I wonder how many members here who champion the 2nd amendment yet don't agree with other members on healthcare or some other issue.I wonder how many members here want healthcare reform and are rallying for it only to see a fellow gun forum person looking at them on the otherside with a AR-15 on his back stating "sometimes you must water the tree of liberty with the blood of tyrants" "we must show that we can fight back".

Seems to me there are more rights guaranteed besides the 2nd amendment.Seems to me not abiding by the decisions of the people and their voice for what government does even if it is starting government intervention in healthcare is denying ones rights."You are either with us or against us",talk about accusing people of blindly following government like sheep yet demand that everybody agree 100% on everything 2nd amendment wise and abide like good little sheep."The government dictates your life" yet again,the masses decide something should be done about healthcare yet for a few if the masses don't agree with them it is time to bring out the Jefferson quote.

I am dismayed at the "march in step with us" "either with us or against us" attitude that some carry.Almost always I have agreed with members and 2nd amendment advocates,yet comes along something that sparks disagreement and some are accused of being weak little sheep that are against gun rights and put on ignore.If both main political parties had a "with us or against us" policy it would be no wonder that more and more people leave those parties.
 
Seems to me there are more rights guaranteed besides the 2nd amendment.Seems to me not abiding by the decisions of the people and their voice for what government does even if it is starting government intervention in healthcare is denying ones rights.
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Justify it anyway you want this "healthcare" bill is unconstitutional.
 
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