9MMare
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*sigh* that last sentence just about makes me want to cry. It's so unfair.
I commend all my compatriots who push thru and responsibly carry their firearms under such burdens.
Frustrated with trying to learn in NYC
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*sigh* that last sentence just about makes me want to cry. It's so unfair.
I commend all my compatriots who push thru and responsibly carry their firearms under such burdens.
steelerdude99:
Second what? This firearm interest you have is unhealthy, and bad, and all must be done to keep an actual firearm culture from spreading, as it is nothing but a plague on society.
That means gun owners must be legally quarantined to keep this plague from spreading to other people and not dying off as it should.
Part of this quarantine is insuring gun owners cannot expose other citizens to the false sense of joy some may experience while shooting. That allows the perversion to spread, reducing the overall strategy of containment through other regulation.
Second what? This firearm interest you have is unhealthy, and bad, and all must be done to keep an actual firearm culture from spreading, as it is nothing but a plague on society.
That means gun owners must be legally quarantined to keep this plague from spreading to other people and not dying off as it should.
Part of this quarantine is insuring gun owners cannot expose other citizens to the false sense of joy some may experience while shooting. That allows the perversion to spread, reducing the overall strategy of containment through other regulation.
JRH6856
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^^^^^^
Zoogster, ROFL!
(Unfortunately, its all too true.)
Zoogster, ROFL!
(Unfortunately, its all too true.) steelerdude99
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Zoogster,
I was thinking the same thing after I read posts from Pat M and toivo. It would go like this: Keep the population from accessing firearms. Less exposure to firearms will eventually cause the population to not to want firearms (i.e. they will not know what they're missing). In a generation or two those who do want firearms will be gone.
chuck
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you're honest and your self assessment sounds right. perhaps the first thing a wise person says is "I don't know". getting help from the retired shooting instr. is the best thing you can do. I'm in Calif, so I don't know NY laws, but I know this much; the sooner you start the better.
as for folks who disparage you for saying you're a beginner or have doubts about your responsibility I say; we were all greenhorns once. Don't let 'em bother you.
I taught my wife how to handle a gun thirty six years ago. She too was a beginner. Now she (Fish looks around... she can't hear me)... shoots better than I do.
good luck, be safe and listen to instructors. You'll have a blast.
you're honest and your self assessment sounds right. perhaps the first thing a wise person says is "I don't know". getting help from the retired shooting instr. is the best thing you can do. I'm in Calif, so I don't know NY laws, but I know this much; the sooner you start the better.
as for folks who disparage you for saying you're a beginner or have doubts about your responsibility I say; we were all greenhorns once. Don't let 'em bother you.
I taught my wife how to handle a gun thirty six years ago. She too was a beginner. Now she (Fish looks around... she can't hear me)... shoots better than I do.
good luck, be safe and listen to instructors. You'll have a blast.
Advice to those in NYC and nearby New Jersey.
Jump through their hoops for now (hopefully removed for sanity in future) to legally own a firearm. Educate everyone you can about the stupid beureacracy NYC puts law-abiding tax-payers through. Vote pro-gun rights candidates for local, state, and federal elections.
For bonus points, get your CCW. Yes it's a pain, but the gun-rights unfriendly states need to see the public wants to use their rights today and perhaps some reform is needed.
Fixing this mess is a process. One step at a time (not just cheap talk), moves things forward.
Remind people that you treat the disease, not the symptoms.
Jump through their hoops for now (hopefully removed for sanity in future) to legally own a firearm. Educate everyone you can about the stupid beureacracy NYC puts law-abiding tax-payers through. Vote pro-gun rights candidates for local, state, and federal elections.
For bonus points, get your CCW. Yes it's a pain, but the gun-rights unfriendly states need to see the public wants to use their rights today and perhaps some reform is needed.
Fixing this mess is a process. One step at a time (not just cheap talk), moves things forward.
Remind people that you treat the disease, not the symptoms.
Armybrat
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Good luck to the OP, it's a fun hobby.
Cluster Bomb
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I 2a that
but being responsible is key. proper handling, muzzling etc is key. also keeping them clean, etc.
I found the best bet is to learn with somone. I taught my wife with her sister. She was ify about guns, and uncertain. Once i showed her and her sister how to be safe with it and be responsible. We are out back shooting every Sunday.
Sounds like you could be ready, you identify that it is a responsability, not a game. Reading and reading is diffrent than hands on. Just keep a mental checklist in your head of what to do and not do. and pratice while applying.
but really...move! lol
Curator
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Vacation in Florida--get warm, do some shooting--enjoy freedom in the "Gunshine State" where 486 NRA pistol instructors await the opportunity to teach and train you. No permit required, just be a law-abiding citizen over the age of 18.
to new in nyc
it's good that you know you need help. everybody was a newbie once. most states have great hunter safety courses, free or a few bucks. Not only will you learn about safe gun handling, you'll also meet some awesome people, most of whom are gun nuts too. I used to teach part of ours in No. Calif. (bowhunting safety & considerations) and I met some of the finest men & women there.
don't listen to those who are negative or disparage your efforts.
always follow the ten commandments of gun safety; you're in for a great journey.
it's good that you know you need help. everybody was a newbie once. most states have great hunter safety courses, free or a few bucks. Not only will you learn about safe gun handling, you'll also meet some awesome people, most of whom are gun nuts too. I used to teach part of ours in No. Calif. (bowhunting safety & considerations) and I met some of the finest men & women there.
don't listen to those who are negative or disparage your efforts.
always follow the ten commandments of gun safety; you're in for a great journey.
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nuh-uh
Despite the fact that the gun laws are restrictive and the process is unwieldy, time-consuming and expensive, I live in NYC and have no plans to move (yet). I am no apologist for the frequently nonsensical administrative law that governs firearms ownership here but, still, I find myself shaking my head over some of the comments in this thread. Maybe it is because the restrictions are so much beyond what many of you can imagine but statements like (no offense intended)
Getting a carry permit is beyond "a pain". It is, for most people, impossible. One must demonstrate need far beyond filling in "self protection" on an application. Essentially, "they" want to know what it is that makes the applicant a likely target. Y'know...what are you doing that makes you more "robbable" or attackable than the next guy? And I am oversimplifying the idea even with that.
Page three of the general application requires composition of a letter of necessity to obtain a "business carry license" , the least restricted carry permit - there are no "personal carry" permits. If it ain't in connection with a business, you ain't carryin'.
Necessary statements are:
1- A detailed description of the applicant’s employment and an explanation of why the employment requires the carrying of
a concealed handgun. (This is the big stumbling block for most applicants.)
2-A statement acknowledging that the handgun may only be carried during the course of and strictly in connection with the
applicant’s job, business or occupational requirements, as described herein.
3-A statement explaining the manner in which the gun will be safeguarded by the employer and/or applicant when not
being used.
4-A statement indicating that the applicant has been trained or will receive training in the use and safety of a handgun
5-A statement acknowledging that the applicant’s employer, or, if self employed, the applicant, is aware of its or his or her
responsibility to properly dispose of the handgun and return the license to the License Division upon the termination of the
applicant’s employment or the cessation of business.
6-A statement indicating that the applicant, and if other than self employed, a corporate officer, general partner, or proprietor,
has read and is familiar with the provisions of Penal Law Articles 35 (use of deadly force), 265 (criminal possession and
use of a firearm) and 400 (responsibilities of a handgun licensee).
Pete
Despite the fact that the gun laws are restrictive and the process is unwieldy, time-consuming and expensive, I live in NYC and have no plans to move (yet). I am no apologist for the frequently nonsensical administrative law that governs firearms ownership here but, still, I find myself shaking my head over some of the comments in this thread. Maybe it is because the restrictions are so much beyond what many of you can imagine but statements like (no offense intended)
just go to show that you really don't know what you are talking about.
Getting a carry permit is beyond "a pain". It is, for most people, impossible. One must demonstrate need far beyond filling in "self protection" on an application. Essentially, "they" want to know what it is that makes the applicant a likely target. Y'know...what are you doing that makes you more "robbable" or attackable than the next guy? And I am oversimplifying the idea even with that.
Page three of the general application requires composition of a letter of necessity to obtain a "business carry license" , the least restricted carry permit - there are no "personal carry" permits. If it ain't in connection with a business, you ain't carryin'.
Necessary statements are:
1- A detailed description of the applicant’s employment and an explanation of why the employment requires the carrying of
a concealed handgun. (This is the big stumbling block for most applicants.)
2-A statement acknowledging that the handgun may only be carried during the course of and strictly in connection with the
applicant’s job, business or occupational requirements, as described herein.
3-A statement explaining the manner in which the gun will be safeguarded by the employer and/or applicant when not
being used.
4-A statement indicating that the applicant has been trained or will receive training in the use and safety of a handgun
5-A statement acknowledging that the applicant’s employer, or, if self employed, the applicant, is aware of its or his or her
responsibility to properly dispose of the handgun and return the license to the License Division upon the termination of the
applicant’s employment or the cessation of business.
6-A statement indicating that the applicant, and if other than self employed, a corporate officer, general partner, or proprietor,
has read and is familiar with the provisions of Penal Law Articles 35 (use of deadly force), 265 (criminal possession and
use of a firearm) and 400 (responsibilities of a handgun licensee).
Pete
Try this link. http://www.nrainstructors.org/searchcourse.aspx
Find a "NRA Basic Pistol Course" near you where you learn what you need to safely own and use a firearm.
Find a "NRA Basic Pistol Course" near you where you learn what you need to safely own and use a firearm.
justice06rr
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How about you come take a quick drive/vacation to Florida. there are many of us responsible owners here who can give you advice and tips on firearms, maybe even go to a shooting range. while you're at it you can get a tan on the beach or visit Disney world and Universal Studios.
Sorry to hear about your troubles, but it is what it is. NYC is not the best place to own firearms as a civilian.
Sorry to hear about your troubles, but it is what it is. NYC is not the best place to own firearms as a civilian.
justice06rr
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Somehow I find some humor in this, no offense. I used to visit NYC/NJ quite often to see friends and family (Manhattan, Brooklyn) and even as a tourist walking by yourself late at night or in the subway station I already feel like a target. I'm a guy so at least I could run away, but It would be significantly worse for a girl or an elderly individual.
Its truly sad how a great city has so much restriction on gun ownership, while the rest of the country enjoys our Constitutional rights. I've always wanted to live in NYC, but these strange laws have become quite a hindrance.
Thats like a law stating I need to prove above and beyond the need for me to own and ride my motorcycle...
I know it must be beyond "a pain" to get a CCW in NYC but surely some people who could get one (meeting that ludicrous list of requirements) but don't even try to get one. It is a stupid violation of your civil rights. Still, if more people would keep pushing through the Beurocratic BS. I feel if they did they would put more pressure on NYC govt. and NY state to go from "may if you're connected/rich" to "shall issue". It's a longshot but you have to start somewhere.
Of course other states are better choices to live in. New Jersey, California, and Illinois need serious reform too.
Of course other states are better choices to live in. New Jersey, California, and Illinois need serious reform too.
Offhand, if NYC is as you say, methinks a great business opportunity is going begging.
If a person who was a NRA Certified Instructor. Very familar and qualified with firearms, was to get several legally demiled (cannot be loaded or fired) different makes of handguns, rifles, and shotguns. Could they set up hands on firearms familiarization (to include safety precautions, handling, diassembly, cleaning, storage and etc) classes open to the public? Would the business be legal in NYC or would they have a cow?
If a person who was a NRA Certified Instructor. Very familar and qualified with firearms, was to get several legally demiled (cannot be loaded or fired) different makes of handguns, rifles, and shotguns. Could they set up hands on firearms familiarization (to include safety precautions, handling, diassembly, cleaning, storage and etc) classes open to the public? Would the business be legal in NYC or would they have a cow?
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bushmaster1313
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Even New Jersey is simple compared to NYC
And if I am not mistaken, you have to periodically renew your NYC permit or the gun becomes permanent contraband.
Bummer.
In New Jersey, apply for Firearm Owners Card and Permit to buy a handgun.
When you get the permit you have 90 days to buy a handgun on that permit.
You can take it home from the dealer unloaded and locked in your trunk and I am quite sure you can keep it loaded in your home (away from kids).
You can take it from your home unloaded and locked in your trunk to a range for target practice, and back.
Not sure if you can stop along the way to go to the bathroom.
It takes NYC to make NJ look gun friendly.
And if I am not mistaken, you have to periodically renew your NYC permit or the gun becomes permanent contraband.
Bummer.
In New Jersey, apply for Firearm Owners Card and Permit to buy a handgun.
When you get the permit you have 90 days to buy a handgun on that permit.
You can take it home from the dealer unloaded and locked in your trunk and I am quite sure you can keep it loaded in your home (away from kids).
You can take it from your home unloaded and locked in your trunk to a range for target practice, and back.
Not sure if you can stop along the way to go to the bathroom.
It takes NYC to make NJ look gun friendly.
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