G19 or M&P 9
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RatherNotSay
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Sounds to me like your right. I know a couple of other .45s my friends have and every once in a while they get hit in the face. One guy actually had a half moon circle burned into his arm. We laughed for quite a while.
I wasn't disputing I was just pointing out the fact that sometimes it can be the grip. I just wanted that piece of info out there as well.
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My personal carry gun with over 7000 rounds through it is and M&P 9C and I love it. I do however really like the feel of the Gen 4 Glock 19/23s. Either would serve you very well. I suggest you find a way to fire both and find out which one suits you better. We can't tell you that.
helitack32f1
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I wholeheartedly endorse this idea! No need to limit yourself to just one.Do what I did, get both!
rauchman
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I own a Gen2 G19, Gen3 G19, Gen4 G23 and M&P40 w/ factory 9mm barrel.
I like the feel of the M&P, but I shoot the Glocks better. I do my dry fire drills w/the M&P and I do well w/ it. Then I switch to one of the Glocks and the sights DO NOT move at all.
You really have to SHOOT THEM BOTH!!!
Regarding the Gen4's...
My Gen4 G23 has been nothing but reliable. It has about 800 rounds on it so far. I do like the texture and frame size of the Gen4 more than the previous Gen's. Your grip doesn't move under recoil w/ the new texture. Having said that, the majority of issues I've read about w/ the Gen4 are the G19's, followed closely by the G17's. In all case I've read about, failures revolve around 2 things...1. Recoil Spring Assembly and 2. Extractor issues.
Glock seems to be taking care of the recoil spring assembly situation. The extractor is another story. From what I've read, if you have an issue w/ the extractor, get a new one from Lone Wolf. From every account I've read, the LW extractor makes the pistol reliable.
And while it may suck to think you would be buying a Gen4 G19 and have to change out a part or 2, many many M&P owners wind up putting some flavor of Apex trigger parts in their pistol, including myself.
I like the feel of the M&P, but I shoot the Glocks better. I do my dry fire drills w/the M&P and I do well w/ it. Then I switch to one of the Glocks and the sights DO NOT move at all.
You really have to SHOOT THEM BOTH!!!
Regarding the Gen4's...
My Gen4 G23 has been nothing but reliable. It has about 800 rounds on it so far. I do like the texture and frame size of the Gen4 more than the previous Gen's. Your grip doesn't move under recoil w/ the new texture. Having said that, the majority of issues I've read about w/ the Gen4 are the G19's, followed closely by the G17's. In all case I've read about, failures revolve around 2 things...1. Recoil Spring Assembly and 2. Extractor issues.
Glock seems to be taking care of the recoil spring assembly situation. The extractor is another story. From what I've read, if you have an issue w/ the extractor, get a new one from Lone Wolf. From every account I've read, the LW extractor makes the pistol reliable.
And while it may suck to think you would be buying a Gen4 G19 and have to change out a part or 2, many many M&P owners wind up putting some flavor of Apex trigger parts in their pistol, including myself.
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Glock 19 gen 3 is a good gun, but I do prefer the M&P grip angle
RatherNotSay
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I'm NOT saying it's the reason people have problems with their extractors but a lot of people drop the slide with the slide catch with a chambered round. This is harsh on the extractor and can/has been known to cause issues.
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Never in the history of handguns have so many platform specific stoppages been blamed upon the shooter than has happened since Glocks arrived on the scene.
The sheer volume of the apologias written to support the erroneous notion that Glocks are, bar none, the most reliable pistols ever made, is mind boggling.
They almost single-handedly popularized the term "limp wristing."
They had a non-recall recall in the late 90s-early 2000s and they are having one again.
The G22s Gens 2.5 and 3 were/are notorious for malfing while firing with a light on the picatinny.
And now, if you're being struck in the face with hot brass, that just might your fault too.
The sheer volume of the apologias written to support the erroneous notion that Glocks are, bar none, the most reliable pistols ever made, is mind boggling.
They almost single-handedly popularized the term "limp wristing."
They had a non-recall recall in the late 90s-early 2000s and they are having one again.
The G22s Gens 2.5 and 3 were/are notorious for malfing while firing with a light on the picatinny.
And now, if you're being struck in the face with hot brass, that just might your fault too.
RatherNotSay
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I don't remember apologizing for glock or saying it was "the most reliable handgun ever."Never in the history of handguns have so many platform specific stoppages been blamed upon the shooter than has happened since Glocks arrived on the scene.
The sheer volume of the apologias written to support the erroneous notion that Glocks are, bar none, the most reliable pistols ever made, is mind boggling.
They almost single-handedly popularized the term "limp wristing."
They had a non-recall recall in the late 90s-early 2000s and they are having one again.
The G22s Gens 2.5 and 3 were/are notorious for malfing while firing with a light on the picatinny.
And now, if you're being struck in the face with hot brass, that just might your fault too.
I know plenty of guns that will eject crap in your face if you slam the slide with a chambered round...specifically the EAA Witness. It's just not good for GUNS period. Just like dry firing a sig.
As far as the reliability comment. Guns are like any other mass production items made by large scale manufacturing. There are going to be issues and bad apples. Your a fool to call the glock "the most reliable gun ever made" but your a bigger fool to believe it. If this was the 80's than ya I could see that statement having some truth but today there are many manufactures on par with the "top tier status." For example sig sauer has been used by certain military units for what? 30 years? Yet they had issues with the stamped slide and stainless finish. Regardless they are still being used and still loved by a lot of people. No gun is perfect but some do have a long standing reputation as being a top tier piece.
Honestly I find it so pathetic that these anti glock people need to bash their claims in some kind of self important "I need to let the world know how I feel about glock" campaign.
There are many reliable, well built and widely used guns out there. Glock just happens to be one of MANY that have EARNED their reputation. If the high point .45 was AS reliable police, FBI, government agencies, and civilians would carry them. Butttttttttt....I cant think of any that do. Reason?
Some people think marketing is the reason for it's popularity. The informed know it's the weapon itself that makes it what it is. Below is a link to glocks website. Please feel free to point out where glock states it's the "most reliable gun ever made."
www.glock.com
helitack32f1
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Nicely stated! Couldn't have said it better myself.
By the way, www.teamglock.com is MUCH better than glock.com. It proves that Glock can indeed have a modern, up to date website. Not sure if they say anything about it being the most reliable gun in the world though.
I hope we can offer a personal view to anyone out there...
My girl and I shot both.
(I've been shooting since 1960,
she started in January this year.)
Both pistols were very nice. Both very nice.
But the G19 just seemed to fit both of us better.
Truthfully, however, both of us like the 1911 platform much, much better.
(For me it's the grip angle, for her it's the thinner grip profile.
Holy crap, she's excellent with a 1911.
And the manual-of-arms is a natural for her.)
So it's a matter of personal preference with either pistol.
We both liked the G19 better than the M&P,
but the M&P isn't a bad gun at all.
We could shoot the M&P & G19 with equal accuracy at 25 yards.
It's just a personal choice.
Incidentally, same with the XD series.
Get the opportunity to try all of them before deciding.
My girl and I shot both.
(I've been shooting since 1960,
she started in January this year.)
Both pistols were very nice. Both very nice.
But the G19 just seemed to fit both of us better.
Truthfully, however, both of us like the 1911 platform much, much better.
(For me it's the grip angle, for her it's the thinner grip profile.
Holy crap, she's excellent with a 1911.
And the manual-of-arms is a natural for her.)
So it's a matter of personal preference with either pistol.
We both liked the G19 better than the M&P,
but the M&P isn't a bad gun at all.
We could shoot the M&P & G19 with equal accuracy at 25 yards.
It's just a personal choice.
Incidentally, same with the XD series.
Get the opportunity to try all of them before deciding.
I have a first generation G19. I've fired approximately 12k rounds through it. I've never had a malfunction. I'm an ok shooter. I'm not an expert. I clean it carefully at least three times, sometimes four times a year. Run a snake though the barrel pretty often. I've shot mostly hardball practice ammo through it, but we carry +P+ and qualify with +P+.
I guess I've been very, very lucky not to have had any problems. Not one. I'm sure I'm due to get hit in the head with a spent shell casing, any day now.
I guess I've been very, very lucky not to have had any problems. Not one. I'm sure I'm due to get hit in the head with a spent shell casing, any day now.
RatherNotSay
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Aren't those snakes awesome!
The trigger on the M&P is hinged in the middle and gives me a painful blister when shooting it a lot at one time. Funny thing is my father in law said it did the same thing to him.
I would go with an older gen. Glock 19 any day of the week.
I would go with an older gen. Glock 19 any day of the week.
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M&P 9
In addition to the M&Ps, I've also shot Polymer framed Glocks, Springfields, HKs, Sigs, and Berettas.
For me, the M&P is th best of the bunch. The ergonomics are better than anything else I've tried.
1. I love the grips (the medium palm swell is the best fit for me).
2. I love the low bore axis, and the beaver tail.
3. I love the sights.
4. The recoil is managed easily with this design.
5. The gun has performed extremely well in non-biased gun tests.
6. M&Ps have thorough hardened stainless metal parts with melonite finish.
7. M&Ps have a stainless steel chasis to reinforce the frame and to keep the trigger aligned properly during recoil (especially when the gun gets hot).
8. M&Ps have stainless steel recoil rod.
9. They have the option of using a thumb safety. I love the thumb safety. I grip my M&P with my right hand and place my right thumb on top of the safety, away from the slide. I actually find that this helps to secure the gun in my hand even better.
10. I think that the trigger is pretty good. It's not great, but it is adequate. If you don't like the trigger or the reset, there are aftermarket kits that reduced the pull and the reset. The other option is to get the pro model (night sights and match trigger).
To me, the M&P is the best autoloader on the market. I have one in 9mm and one in .45 acp and will NEVER sell either. These guns cured my revolver obsession.
I like the other guns, and don't think that you could really go wrong with any of the guns
In addition to the M&Ps, I've also shot Polymer framed Glocks, Springfields, HKs, Sigs, and Berettas.
For me, the M&P is th best of the bunch. The ergonomics are better than anything else I've tried.
1. I love the grips (the medium palm swell is the best fit for me).
2. I love the low bore axis, and the beaver tail.
3. I love the sights.
4. The recoil is managed easily with this design.
5. The gun has performed extremely well in non-biased gun tests.
6. M&Ps have thorough hardened stainless metal parts with melonite finish.
7. M&Ps have a stainless steel chasis to reinforce the frame and to keep the trigger aligned properly during recoil (especially when the gun gets hot).
8. M&Ps have stainless steel recoil rod.
9. They have the option of using a thumb safety. I love the thumb safety. I grip my M&P with my right hand and place my right thumb on top of the safety, away from the slide. I actually find that this helps to secure the gun in my hand even better.
10. I think that the trigger is pretty good. It's not great, but it is adequate. If you don't like the trigger or the reset, there are aftermarket kits that reduced the pull and the reset. The other option is to get the pro model (night sights and match trigger).
To me, the M&P is the best autoloader on the market. I have one in 9mm and one in .45 acp and will NEVER sell either. These guns cured my revolver obsession.
I like the other guns, and don't think that you could really go wrong with any of the guns
I happened to be in a outfitter store/gunshop in Western Illinois and 3 S&W employees were there - I know that one had to be some type of mareting director and she noted that very same thing - not just the relative absence of S&W pistols compared to Glock but S&W in relation to all the manufacturers [there tends to be a LOT of Springfield Armory pistols here because Geneseo is close....].
It seems though, that S&W is really trying to put a dent in Glock sales. The price points have come down and they offer the M&Ps in so many variations that you can pick and choose what options you want on them. That's smart.
RatherNotSay
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try budsgunshop.com. low SHIPPED prices and they generally have a good stock.
helitack32f1
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It could also be looked at as though maybe gun stores stock a lot more of the popular guns and that is why they have more on hand. Like Springfields and Glocks. 
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I have an M&P Pro Series 9 and carry a G19 for duty. After you get used to the Glock trigger the M&P Pro even feels inconsistent and sloppy. If you absolutely HAVE to get the M&P just get the 9L and do an Apex sear drop in kit, FO front site at some point.
I also prefer the G19 for ease of cleaning and complete takedown. If you want to get into the M&Ps firing pin channel the rear site must first be removed. PITA compared to G tear downs.
I also prefer the G19 for ease of cleaning and complete takedown. If you want to get into the M&Ps firing pin channel the rear site must first be removed. PITA compared to G tear downs.
ET
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I was in the market for a Glock 35 but I bought a 5" barrelled M&P 40 Pro Series because I liked the feel of the gun. The trigger on the Pro is better than the standard M&P, but not as good as the G35 (which is improved over the standard Glock trigger). The Pro trigger is not as good as the Apex trigger job either, but it is good enough, considering it cost me the same as a standard longslide M&P. It came with a 4.5 trigger pull and all of that gritty feel is gone. If it had been more money then I would have opted for a standard longslide and installed an Apex trigger.
I conceal carry a Glock 27 everyday. I also own a Glock 21sf. I have had no reliability issues with either. Comparing my Glocks to my M&P & asking which is better is like asking if Big Red peaches are better than Red Globe peaches. They are both good peaches. (Hey I live in "The Peach State"!!!) Both are good guns. Buy the one that fits you the best. I like them both. I own 40s&w guns but I shoot 9mm & 357sig through aftermarket barrels in both the Glock and the M&P. They still are 100% reliable even with aftermarket conversion barrels.
As far as Glocks having reliability issues, my brother-in-law was in a police department that wanted to change out their revolvers for auto-loaders. They tested every gun that they felt would work for them. Out of all the entries, the Glock guns were the only guns that never jambed. This was in Alaska & they put these guns through severe torture tests. That is why I bought Glocks. I have never had any feed issues with my gen3 Glocks, even with the conversion barrels.
I conceal carry a Glock 27 everyday. I also own a Glock 21sf. I have had no reliability issues with either. Comparing my Glocks to my M&P & asking which is better is like asking if Big Red peaches are better than Red Globe peaches. They are both good peaches. (Hey I live in "The Peach State"!!!) Both are good guns. Buy the one that fits you the best. I like them both. I own 40s&w guns but I shoot 9mm & 357sig through aftermarket barrels in both the Glock and the M&P. They still are 100% reliable even with aftermarket conversion barrels.
As far as Glocks having reliability issues, my brother-in-law was in a police department that wanted to change out their revolvers for auto-loaders. They tested every gun that they felt would work for them. Out of all the entries, the Glock guns were the only guns that never jambed. This was in Alaska & they put these guns through severe torture tests. That is why I bought Glocks. I have never had any feed issues with my gen3 Glocks, even with the conversion barrels.
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