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That's crazy! Prices on those things...just wow. I never would have thought that. I may list a couple of mine. They have not been out of the safe in 20 years
Gaps in the Firearms Market
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Or not.
If it didn't "take glock mags" it would be flamed mercilessly. Bolt-action 9x19 really does not have a lot to recommend it, really. More up to 9x21/38super where the longer barrel might make a difference . . . then, maybe.
It's worth looking at the commercial "success" of the 32acp carbines (and those were self-loaders).
There's one of those at my LGS. The price is hugely attractive, but is directly related to the ammo issues with that round. That, and there are just so many "twenty-fives" in that very competitive market. And the "adjacent" 6.5 market just increases the confusion there.
The "varmint round" that will likely be a "never be" is the 5.7x28. It 'fits' what most would consider the "envelope" for "small game." The problem being with proven at-range performance.
That's the trouble with "gaps" in the market. Some are just perception, as so many things have been tried and put out in the market. And, "we" have so many choices it can be easy to miss what actually "fills" a given "gap."
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I think there is a tiny gap for "hi-cap" defensive revolvers (plus I want them to make one for me 
. I'm talking about a 9 or 10rd, likely in 32 mag or .327 with a rail on top for a dot and a rail on the bottom for a light.
In some of the restricted states I think it could make sense and I think a revolver is easier for some new shooters to get good with.
. I'm talking about a 9 or 10rd, likely in 32 mag or .327 with a rail on top for a dot and a rail on the bottom for a light.In some of the restricted states I think it could make sense and I think a revolver is easier for some new shooters to get good with.
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That caliber died the minute cheap imported ammunition stopped being imported.
The Korth revolvers, sold in the U.S. by Nighthawk Custom have a cylinder release that is up by the hammer and easily accessible by either hand. Of course, the cylinders all swing out to the left side, but depending on your technique, that could actually be a good thing. Miculek advises actually charging the cylinder with your strong hand since that's the one that probably has the best dexterity, so he uses his right hand to load a cylinder that swings out to the left and manages to do it pretty quickly. You are already set up to load with your strong hand, you just need to leave the gun in your weak hand during the reload.Well, I see a HUGE gap---the lack of left-handed double-action revolvers. It's a PITA having to keep switching hands to reload.
What we need are some top-break revolvers with ambidextrous latches--they would be fully ambidextrous and also might be a bit faster to reload since the ejection function is automatic in a top-break.
Yup, when Clinton killed the import of most small arms and ammo out of China, it really changed things in the U.S. firearm market. At one time, 7.62x25 was the cheapest centerfire pistol ammo you could buy. During that same timeframe, you could buy a new Chinese SKS and 500 rounds of ammo for it and still be under $100 before tax. He stopped all that...
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Old Yugo surplus still turns up every now and then. S&B still sells commercial too..at least last I checked.
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You are missing my point. Finding 7.62x25 isn't difficult at all.
It's popularity was driven by the virtue of being the cheapest centerfire handgun cartridge on the market. It ran less than eight cents per round as recently as 2010.
Yugo 1960's surplus? Try 46 cents per round: https://www.wikiarms.com/group/7.62x25
No one is going to "fill a gap" with a 7.62x25 firearm.
Now, if someone discovers a billion rounds in a warehouse in Moronica......its game on!
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The gap I would like to see filled is a good quality subcompact 9mm in SA/DA or DAO (external hammer, no strikers). Something along the lines of the long gone Sig P230 or P290.
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Roger that. Agree. It ain't as cheap as it used to be...fa sure!
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And quite a few in the venerable Savage 340
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A semi-auto 22magnum rifle. When Ruger stopped making the 10/22M the only budget friendly 22M is the Savage A22. And those are none to easy to find, even before pandemic.
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Semi-auto belt-fed Chauchat replica in .41 Mag that takes glock mags. If they made it they'd sell a bazillion of them.
I was just thinking the same thing but a takedown or folding stock.
In lieu of that, I'll take a 5 shot 44 Russian airweight snubby. Try to fit it in a K frame instead of an L frame.
Or a compact 32 ACP revolver. Bring back the I frame.
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I picked up a Sig 232 chambered in 380 Auto a few years ago. It's the only one I have ever actually held in my hands, and also the only one I have seen in person.
It is very much a quality piece of equipment.
Very few people know what it is. I get a lot of "What the heck is that?" when I show it off.
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^ but also more hunting ammo choices in military surplus calibers. Like Hornady SSTs in 7.62x54r, or eve if someone made a modern bolt rifle in that caliber.
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That's the point. More domestic manufacturing would fill the gap
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I'm surprised rifles with interchangeable barrels haven't caught on-the SIG SHR 970 is a great rifle, fired a buddy's, but it didn't sell.
I like the idea of a bolt action pistol calber carbine. Easier to retrieve brass for reloading.
Interchangeable barrels in 9MM/38 Super e.g.
I like the idea of a bolt action pistol calber carbine. Easier to retrieve brass for reloading.
Interchangeable barrels in 9MM/38 Super e.g.
commygun
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Exactly! I’d buy a bolt-action .32acp carbine in a heartbeat, but have no use for a semi-auto carbine in the caliber. The more I think about, the surer I am that a handy little 9mm bolt-action, with the right marketing, could become a popular self-defense choice for the gun-timid. PC in more ways than one!
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No US manufacturer is going to make a firearm in 7.62x25. Ever. It's dead Jim.
It ain't a gap, its common sense.
There's a better chance of Glock making a .22 short carbine.
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Sometimes I like to pretend that all we need is induced popularity. I like to pretend that if a company started making it in giant quantities enough to significantly lower the price and offered a large amount of firearms in that caliber in vast quantities it might come back. No companies ever going to do that because it would take a huge investment and it just wouldn't make sense but I still like to pretend.
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I keep searching for a bolt action chambered in 32 Long, or 32 H&R Mag.
I know it's futile. I can find no mention of if any such commercially made rifle/carbine.
Nevertheless, the search continues.
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Dream big!
Three years ago Ruger brought out the Ruger 57...........a gun literally no one had asked for, felt the need for, in a caliber with extremely limited popularity and widely criticized as "just a .22 magnum". That's twenty years after the FN Five-seveN........which had abysmal sales. It's biggest sales boost was caused by a mass murderer.
Now, the rest of the story.................S&W, Palmetto State Armory and KelTec all have 5.7x28 pistols.
Maybe twenty years from now US gun manufacturers will rediscover 7.62x25.
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If you can find a model 580 single shot .22 , that is a miniature model 788 , and an extremely robust action for a .22. There are gunsmiths that rebuild the bolts to centerfire in cartridges up to .221 fireball . having one made into a .32 long or 32 H&R shouldn't be that big of a deal .
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I feel strongly that the .327/.32h&r is a nearly ideal small/medium game round that can do SD and deer in a pinch too. I’d like to see more revolvers and rifles actually made for it. There have been runs in the past, but why can’t I walk into a store and actually buy one for a non-eye-popping price?
Same with .44spl revolvers. Sure, there have been runs…. But they sell out very quickly and then the prices go stratospheric for years until someone makes more. For that matter, the Charter Arms bulldog seems perennially a steady seller. Why can’t S&W or Ruger make a clone? There’s lots of people who would buy a snub 5 shot .44, but don’t want a Charter.
Pump rifles. The Henry is panned for its bad internal design but it’s available and must sell well enough to keep it in the marketplace. I think a .22lr done right would be very popular, especially if the gun world at large knew it existed. Also in centerfire calibers. A 9mm or 5.56 would be very popular.
Bolt action pistol calibers… look how expensive the Ruger 77/357 are. Pistol caliber bolt guns give you the satisfaction of a bolt rifle for target shooting or hunting, with dramatically more affordable ammo.
Runs of obscure ammo: PRVI Partizan does very well selling less common old military rounds to feed the millions of surplus firearms that have been sold. Would it kill Remington, Winchester, or Federal to do the same from time to time? (IOW: why have I been waiting two years to find a few boxes of 7.5 French, or 7.65 Mauser, or even 8x57?) We won’t even talk about .32 Colt or .32 rimfire…..
Dare I say? S&W’s offered as an option without the lock… this seems like a no brainer since I’d guess there’s a sizeable percentage of the shooting public who simply will not consider any S&W that has the lock, after the controversy which surrounded it.
I can think of a lot of other obscure niches but these seem like a good start.
Same with .44spl revolvers. Sure, there have been runs…. But they sell out very quickly and then the prices go stratospheric for years until someone makes more. For that matter, the Charter Arms bulldog seems perennially a steady seller. Why can’t S&W or Ruger make a clone? There’s lots of people who would buy a snub 5 shot .44, but don’t want a Charter.
Pump rifles. The Henry is panned for its bad internal design but it’s available and must sell well enough to keep it in the marketplace. I think a .22lr done right would be very popular, especially if the gun world at large knew it existed. Also in centerfire calibers. A 9mm or 5.56 would be very popular.
Bolt action pistol calibers… look how expensive the Ruger 77/357 are. Pistol caliber bolt guns give you the satisfaction of a bolt rifle for target shooting or hunting, with dramatically more affordable ammo.
Runs of obscure ammo: PRVI Partizan does very well selling less common old military rounds to feed the millions of surplus firearms that have been sold. Would it kill Remington, Winchester, or Federal to do the same from time to time? (IOW: why have I been waiting two years to find a few boxes of 7.5 French, or 7.65 Mauser, or even 8x57?) We won’t even talk about .32 Colt or .32 rimfire…..
Dare I say? S&W’s offered as an option without the lock… this seems like a no brainer since I’d guess there’s a sizeable percentage of the shooting public who simply will not consider any S&W that has the lock, after the controversy which surrounded it.
I can think of a lot of other obscure niches but these seem like a good start.
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