Geofenced Firearms

[Japle]

These people, I’m pretty sure, are idiots. They want to modify every gun so that it’ll be constantly connected to GPS and will be unable to fire if it’s taken into a school or other prohibited place.

https://www.facebook.com/GeofencedFirearms

That seems like a really bad idea. Bulky, heavy and expensive.
If you have a Facebook account, let them know what you think.

 

[medalguy]

Just....wow. You think?

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

More of the same with respect to James Bond style liberal high-technology solutions to "gun safety" and "gun control". Like DNA or fingerprint scanners on guns.

Stupid and completely circumventable.

Disable the GPS and it's useless. Do this by letting the battery die (those things aren't very battery friendly), wrap it in foil, or simply turn it off.

Dorks.

 

[TheSaint]

System Alert: --- Please ask the criminal(s) to standby. Acquiring Satellite Signal... ---

 

[Deus Machina]

Didn't the ATF have something to say about electromechanical firing systems?
I'm not liking the look of that 'electronically charged firing pin'.

I've destroyed a computer with a little static pop. I'd be afraid of walking on shag carpet before picking up my Desert Eagle, if it's made just like that.

 

[xwingband]

See, what I don't get is rather than the controlling entry to a school and an armed guard... they float this. It's basically because they believe the burden should be on the gun owner and not the institution to guarantee safety. I'm not just talking guns either. An adult with a pocket knife could wreck a class of kids with less ruckus than a gun.

Speaking of solely the idea. The default has to be to shoot without satellite signal or power because it's for defensive purposes. So short it, never charge it, take the battery out, etc... Plus there's a reason guns are mechanical now: reliability. Shoot someone? Say the fancy electronic firing pin misfired with out a trigger pull.

 

[vamo]

It seems their reply to every pro 2a comment is "how would your gun have prevented the Boston marathon incident?"

I no longer have a fbook account but this seems to invite a very obvious counter point. I am not the one claiming to have to ability to stop a tragedy, but they are, and I'm guessing their technology will never come standard with pressure cookers.

 

[r1derbike]

I suppose the experiments with voice recognition software on a firearm didn't go so well.

It was supposed to shut-down the weapon if the operator said something like, "boy, I am really, really mad now"!

It then would automatically go to select-fire mode, instead of disabling.

The software engineers who were contacted about the issue said, "the software isn't buggy, it just develops random features".

 

[beatledog7]

What an utterly absurd idea!

I've said it before, and I'll say it until I'm blue...the single most effective way to deter shootings at schools is to create the possibility that some of the adults there will be armed and willing and trained to respond immediately.

How? Eliminate the mythical "gun-free" zones, allowing teachers and administrators to carry concealed. Simple. Effective. Virtually free.

 

[USAF_Vet]

It seems their reply to every pro 2a comment is "how would your gun have prevented the Boston marathon incident?"

I no longer have a fbook account but this seems to invite a very obvious counter point. I am not the one claiming to have to ability to stop a tragedy, but they are, and I'm guessing their technology will never come standard with pressure cookers.

Reply with, "How would your GPS gun blocking device have stopped it?"

 

[r1derbike]

As soon as a lunatic got inside a building, his weapon would announce, "GPS signal is lost".

Uh-oh.

Armed guards in schools, now.

 

[The_Next_Generation]

I was eating dinner with a guy at a dining hall on campus and he was suggesting the same thing.

He kept claiming that you could insert a GPS unit into the receiver of a gun so that it couldn't be tampered with and so that the gun couldn't operate without the tethered receiver.

In case you didn't know, but encasing a transceiver in any kind of conductive material has the same effect as putting it in a Faraday cage. Basically, no signal would go in and none would come out.

This idea makes me laugh every time...

TNG

 

[RetiredUSNChief]

And don't forget...they want this in ALL firearms. Government firearms shouldn't be exempted....they get stolen and sold on the black market, too.

Which means, once all firearms have this device, all any foreign country has to do to knock out all small arms capability is take down a couple key GPS satellites...

Something for the survivalists out there to think about.

 

[r1derbike]

I was eating dinner with a guy at a dining hall on campus and he was suggesting the same thing.

He kept claiming that you could insert a GPS unit into the receiver of a gun so that it couldn't be tampered with and so that the gun couldn't operate without the tethered receiver.

In case you didn't know, but encasing a transceiver in any kind of conductive material has the same effect as putting it in a Faraday cage. Basically, no signal would go in and none would come out.

This idea makes me laugh every time...

TNG

I worked in a Faraday cage for about 7 years, for a company. It was my own little prison. Not once did I don a foil hat, or worry about outside emissions from DC to light. I felt better as well, not being bombarded by ionizing or non-ionizing radiation. The equipment was thankful as well. Never had to live test EMP ingress, fortunately. Was subject to some low-level RF frequencies for extended periods. It must have changed my body chemistry somehow, as R2D2 was regularly calling me about some electroencephalogram results.

Man, those were some great times.

 

[MErl]

He kept claiming that you could insert a GPS unit into the receiver of a gun so that it couldn't be tampered with and so that the gun couldn't operate without the tethered receiver.

I don't doubt this for a moment. Yes it could be done but it would be horribly unreliable. The folks advocating this don't seem to care if the gun is not available when you need it.

 

[beatledog7]

The folks advocating this don't seem to care if the gun is not available when you need it.

But they think you don't EVER need it.

 

[kwguy]

Didn't they try that during Operation Wide Receiver? And it didn't work, so that's why they stopped it? Not saying that the march of technology won't be really advanced someday, and maybe make a lot of this discussion kind of moot, but so far:

"Phasers and socialism only work in Star Trek".

Just sayin.

 

[r1derbike]

What may be done, may be undone, but may be the doing of one's undoing.

 

[r1derbike]

We used to track the Annapolis Naval Academy Football Runs with GPS using APRS software and the amateur radio digital packet network. Was great fun. Bob also had a camera atop the academy water tower that could zoom and pan via amateur radio control.

I see it is still going on, years later: http://www.aprs.org/football.html

 

[Texan Scott]

r1derbike, I went crosseyed reading that.

I can't get GPS/ GMS/ 3G reception for my phone in parts of my local Wally's or the bathroom at MickeyD's.... I couldn't call 911 or use a geofenced gun on places like that? Good thing they can't electronically disable sharp pieces of metal..
I always have a couple of those handy.

 

[Midwest]

This sounds not that much different from the "Smart Gun" technologies. In fact one state,New Jersey has had the "Smart Gun Law since December 2002" . It doesn't use GPS but rather a chip of some type.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_Gun

New Jersey: On May 18, 2000, the Republican-led NJ State Senate overwhelmingly passed what was called, “The Childproof Handgun Bill.” The bill was sponsored by Ceasefire, NJ in 1998. But finally gained traction when the New Jersey Million Mom March (www.millionmommarch.org) made this bill its top legislative priority in the fall of 1999.

It would take another two years for the NJ State Assembly to pass it before it was signed into law in December 2002. The newly enacted law meant that New Jersey became the first state to enact smart gun legislation.[15]

The “smart gun" legislation that would eventually require new handguns to contain a mechanism that allows only their owners to fire them. The law will not go into effect immediately because the technology is still under development and it could be years before it becomes a reality. But supporters, including the New Jersey Million Mom March, hailed it as an important milestone in the campaign to reduce handgun deaths.

Under the New Jersey law, the technology will be required in all new handguns sold three years after the state attorney general determines a smart gun prototype is safe and commercially available. Weapons used by law enforcement officers would be exempt.


The above is from wiki so it is OK to reproduce per
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipe...s_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License

 

[Guy B. Meredith]

Read my signature. 'Nuff said.

 

[Yo Mama]

They have a grand total of 9 likes. Wow.

 

[TheSaint]

Question: Are these clowns receiving any government funding? I don't mind if such moronic ideas are promoted with private funds, as they will never be adopted in a free market. That being said, we should really expose them if it is found that they are trying to sell this snake oil 'solution' at the expense of the public's coffers!

 

[DeadMoneyDrew]

This sounds not that much different from the "Smart Gun" technologies. In fact one state,New Jersey has had the "Smart Gun Law since December 2002" . It doesn't use GPS but rather a chip of some type.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_Gun

New Jersey: On May 18, 2000, the Republican-led NJ State Senate overwhelmingly passed what was called, “The Childproof Handgun Bill.” The bill was sponsored by Ceasefire, NJ in 1998. But finally gained traction when the New Jersey Million Mom March (www.millionmommarch.org) made this bill its top legislative priority in the fall of 1999.

It would take another two years for the NJ State Assembly to pass it before it was signed into law in December 2002. The newly enacted law meant that New Jersey became the first state to enact smart gun legislation.[15]

The “smart gun" legislation that would eventually require new handguns to contain a mechanism that allows only their owners to fire them. The law will not go into effect immediately because the technology is still under development and it could be years before it becomes a reality. But supporters, including the New Jersey Million Mom March, hailed it as an important milestone in the campaign to reduce handgun deaths.

Under the New Jersey law, the technology will be required in all new handguns sold three years after the state attorney general determines a smart gun prototype is safe and commercially available. Weapons used by law enforcement officers would be exempt.


The above is from wiki so it is OK to reproduce per
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipe...s_Attribution-ShareAlike_3.0_Unported_License

LOL. How on earth does it make even an ounce of sense for a state to make a law requiring a product to include a technology that doesn't yet exist?