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George Bush is no friend of mine…

Discussion in 'Legal' started by StrikeFire83, Feb 2, 2006.

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  1. StrikeFire83

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    I was watching the state of the union address last night, and like many others here I know bull$hit when I see it. I voted for this man in the last election, because the BS coming out of his mouth seemed to stink less than the BS coming out of Kerry’s. Only now, after it’s too late, do I realize that I’d been bamboozled in my first presidential election. Bush is no friend of mine, or of other gun owners.

    The two biggest Gun Rights issues in the past 6 years: 1) Sunset of the ‘assault’ weapons and 2) Gun manufacturer lawsuit reform

    And where was Bush in either of these debates?! This supposedly pro gun president did NOTHING to help push ahead the sunset of the Assault Weapons ban. In fact, his handlers intentionally kept him silent on the issue, so as not to piss off the soccer moms and single dads that have become such an important voter base for him. As for the lawsuit reform, all he did was not veto it, surely not rousing support for gun rights. The NRA keeps telling me what bulwark this administration has been for freedom and justice in America, but I don’t see it.

    But here is a short list of what this president HAS done:

    1) Branded the law-abiding citizens of the Minutemen Project as vigilantes, which they clearly are NOT.
    2) Done absolutely NOTHING to secure a porous and virtually unguarded border, which allows drugs, murderers, and possibly terrorists to slip into our country at will.
    3) Paid lip service to being a “compassionate conservative” while increasing the size of government and allowing spending to spiral out of control.
    4) Gives me $250 more per year in tax refund money, and $12 MILLION more per year to Dick Cheney, and thinks I won’t notice what he’s doing. Meanwhile, siphoning my taxes for Christian Churches, the one f-ing group that isn’t taxed at all!
    5) Keeps bailing big businesses out with huge government kickbacks (cough*Amtrack*cough)

    And how he’s caught spying on American citizens, many without cause, and he has the balls to stand up there and say that “I knows the law, and we didn’t break it.” Excuse me, but COURTS know the law, and THEY determine whether or not you’ve broken it, it’s called the separation of powers, you idiot.

    This guy is a big-government, big brother, tin-plated puppet of the large corporations. I feel like a fool for voting for him. This man is no friend of freedom, and no friend of mine.
     
  2. ReadyontheRight

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    So get involved in politics and give us someone to vote for.
     
  3. MarkDido

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    And you know that he did this, how? You privy to some intel that the rest of the planet is not?

    And the FISA court said that he DID have the power to do exactly what he did.
     
  4. Devonai

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    I don't care if you have video footage of Bush drowning puppies in the Washington Monument reflecting pool, he got John Roberts and Sam Alito onto the SCOTUS for lifetime appointments. Time will tell how they vote with regards to firearms rights, but how do you think any given candidate that Kerry would have nominated would vote?
     
  5. 1 old 0311

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    Yea..........Kerry is Pro Gun. Remember the 'staged photo shoot' of him hunting in Ohio:neener: :neener: :neener: :neener: :neener: :neener:

    Kevin
     
  6. RealGun

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    Rather than dispute the points, none with which I agree, I will just propose that George Bush was the best candidate you were offered. If you truly did vote for him, I should think you would be counting more than what you see as failures.

    With all due respect, when I opened this thread, I bet myself that the author would have less than 100 posts on THR.
     
  7. Sinsaba

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    <sarcastic remark gone>
     
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  8. Michigander

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    The SC nomination scam! We've been through this numerous times. The "conservative" appointments have been taking us down the same road as the "liberal" appointments. It won't change now. Good grief!
     
  9. WillBrayJr

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    Bush isn't great at all. Cutting student aid and medicaid so he can make up for the money he has blown on the war in Iraq is morally wrong. The cost of my medication far outseeds my monthly income. without my meds I would be either dead, inprisoned or locked up in the Funny Farm.
     
  10. Devonai

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    Bet you a case of Shiner Bock it will. A lot of those cases were pretty close splits. It only takes five justices to settle a matter and now two more of them are on our side. Plus, you can't blame Scalia and Thomas for "Turncoat" O'Connor.
     
  11. hube1236

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    Best Candidate Offered???

    I agree with this one, Kerry is bad, Nader worser, but I wanted to vote for Nader, but he was not on the GA Ballot, so I voted for the Libertarian. I could not vote for Bush as I see him leading the Republicans away from the non-christian conservatives. Government should balance the books, but Bush panders to everyone. Govt goes in cycles, so amnesty for Mexicans is the wrong answer to the wrong problem. American "liberty" will never work in the Middlle East. We should kick butt- and kill everyone, take what we want andleave. If we are not willing as a Country to kill everyone and take what we want, we should not be there.

    But until the holier than thou members of this group, or others can vote for the true leader whom may drink and looks at internet porn, and thinks and says trach like Sharpton and Jackson are the Nations true racists, we are stuck with the left wanting every one having an abortion by the age of 14, and the right wanting to fight crime in the most effective way known to man, posting the 10 commandments under the Confederate Flag on the State capitol.
     
  12. RealGun

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    Too much coffee.:what:
     
  13. Lobotomy Boy

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    It did? When did this happen? I must have missed it. Could you please provide some links?

    Thanks.
     
  14. engineer151515

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    Young person. If you REALLY believe this, you need to read a lot less internet and ground your reasoning in factual basis.
     
  15. TexasRifleman

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    LB is right. You can't really claim FISA approved Bush's actions since FISA meets in secret anyway.

    All that is documented is the court DOES seem to push back on a lot of applications, which is maybe the reason Bush went on his own.

    With all the secret back room goings on, who really knows either way.


    And to the topic, remember what your choices were at the last election.
    Given all we know now would you really go back and choose John Kerry?

    Did you listen to him during the Alito hearings?

    He and Chappaquidik Boy are joined at the hip and brain. Would you rather have THAT in the White House?

    Although Republican SCOTUS nominees may have softened in the past, when was the last time you read of a Democrats justice turning hardline.

    Between Roberts and Alito both, I believe our gun rights are as safe as they were before. No better but no worse, at least as far as SCOTUS goes.

    As for Bushs' remaining quiet on the AWB, we have the outcome we wanted.

    Look to the mess in WI to see what happens when Exec branch isn't quiet.
    If the gov in WI had just sat quietly they would have CCW today.

    Sometimes remaining quiet is a good move.
     
  16. Marshall

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    Strikefire sounds like a wolf in sheeps clothing to me.
     
  17. TexasRifleman

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    This always seems to happen with second term Presidents. They always disappoint.

    You figure they have nothing to lose now so they can really go out and do some good work, stand up for everthing they believe etc with no fear of repercussions.

    But then they start to think of their "legacy" and what the history books will say. They have 8 years to account for, that gets a bigger presidential library and more in the history books.

    So, they veer off. Look back at Clinton. Did he accomplish anything his second term? That whole 4 year period is summed up in one word "Monica".

    GWB's second term is going to be summed up in one word "Iraq". He so wants to have a happy ending there before he leaves so that history will be kind. They all do it.

    So, we have no more AWB, and we have the lawsuit prevention law helping to protect gun makers.

    We're still a bit better off than we were 4 years ago.

    I propose one term limits with a 5 year term.
     
  18. Ermac

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    Take your sensationalism and shut the heck up :cuss:
    Instead of being the typical bush basher, why don't you stand up and make your points in politics instead of being a little cry baby on here.
     
  19. Igloodude

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    If "typical bush bashers" are apparently pro-gun small-government conservatives that have voted for him previously, then I cringe at what you'd call US liberals. :eek:
     
  20. GTSteve03

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    AMEN! Why in the world are we even letting people on this site bad-mouth the President. I mean, he's the PRESIDENT for goodness sake! The leader of the Free World! There isn't anyone more important out there and we should all be behind him 100%, because if we aren't with him then we're with the terrorists!
     
  21. Lobotomy Boy

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    Ermac, you might want to back off on that personal attack stuff. It never seems to work out well in the end. It doesn't add to the discourse, and more often than not it weakens the point of the person making the attack. And the mods don't much care for it.
     
  22. TexasRifleman

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    Yep, that's probably true. :uhoh:
     
  23. Ermac

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    gotcha
     
  24. Camp David

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    Strikefire... sorry to hear of your feelings toward our Chief Executive.... Rather than address all your points, I'll just target my comments on the above as the sentiment you express, in my opinion, sound unfounded. Initially, can you identify which American citizens he has spied on, as you allege? Name and location please? Secondly, the president has repeately maintained that his ability to understake this effort, during wartime, in the name of national security, has been legally reviewed and appropved. Do you expect him say anything less as president? Third, should a terrorist from a foreign land be communicating with a person or persons within the United States, would you expect the United States to ignore such a communication? Don't you agree that it would be reckless incompetence to do less?

    In terms of this issue, you may be interested in reading a bit more of the rational and reasoning for it and behind it. See: http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/nationalsecurity/

    As the president maintained, such a NSA surveillance effort is engaged only on calls (communications) originating from a foreign nation. Fighting the War on Terror is different than typical wars and requires different strategy. He describes the enemy as follows:

    "...We've seen that part of the terrorists' strategy is to place operatives inside of our country. They blend in with civilian population. They get their orders from overseas, and then they emerge to strike from within. We must be able to quickly detect when someone linked to al Qaeda is communicating with someone inside of America. That's one of the challenges of protecting the American people, and it's one of the lessons of September the 11th."
    -- President George W. Bush
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    January 25, 2006

    You are allowed to disagree with this strategy of course. But your post failed to surface a different method of detecting terrorists, only criticism of the means being employed today. Bear in mind that those means have prevented terrorism from happening again domestically since 09/11/01.... Should you have a better method let's hear it.

    Camp David
     
  25. wingman

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    Long time supporter of the republican party however I have been very disappointed past 6 years, in truth I see very little support from either party for the lower middleclass, working poor, and sad to to say I do not see it in the future. It has become a vote for the lessor of two evils. I really don't see the need in bashing someone who is upset with either party in truth we should cheer anyone who seems interested in politics.:(
     
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