glock 19 accuracy
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Dude,
How many similiar G19 posts can you make in one day?
The only way for you to find out is if you rent all of them at the range and compare how accurate they are in your hands.
While all modern pistols are inherently more accurate than the shooter, guns feel and shoot differently depending on the individual. What's perfect for one may not be the best for all.
How many similiar G19 posts can you make in one day?
The only way for you to find out is if you rent all of them at the range and compare how accurate they are in your hands.
While all modern pistols are inherently more accurate than the shooter, guns feel and shoot differently depending on the individual. What's perfect for one may not be the best for all.
I've owned 3 of the guns on your list, and the CZ is the hands down winner. I sold the G19 and XD, but they were good weapons
Heres a little shoot off I did at 35' off hand. The G23 that replaced my G19 as a carry gun, shoots like my CZ.
Heres a little shoot off I did at 35' off hand. The G23 that replaced my G19 as a carry gun, shoots like my CZ.
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Personally I don't like Glocks but the ones I've shot have been right accurate.
Recently I shot my friend's G19 to check the Crimson Trace laser. The G19 does pretty good.
Recently I shot my friend's G19 to check the Crimson Trace laser. The G19 does pretty good.
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Hey JD those CZ's are something else ain't they.......................
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I guess I'll have to reply now to this original poster. Glock pistols are not renown for there accuracy, but generally will post 4.5 inchs or less at 25-yards in the 9mm versions. Here's the interesting aside, Glock barrels have been exposed to the tennifer treatment and that means inside and outside the barrel. As a result they are very very hard and many folks who shoot a lot with them have noticed a curious thing, Glocks like a fine wine get better with age,some much better. It has been posited that the tennifer'd barrels after 5-6,000 rounds or so start to tighten up at the 25-yard line and some very high mileage ones can be surprisingly accurate as compared to when new. Truly I have no explanation for this but can, as many others on this web site attest to the veracity of the claims.........................::::
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i have never really done any test between the ones mentioned buut i can tell you that i can shoot shot shells off a fence at 10yds with both the glock 19 and the xd service model i hope that helps.
I believe that the official stance, per Glock's warranty, is 4" or less at 50 yards.
I usually fire my G19C between 7 to 25 yards. Even when I take my time to fire the best groups I can, the Glock is more accurate than I. Most pistols are. Now, how well we fire them, that is an entirely different matter.
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I usually fire my G19C between 7 to 25 yards. Even when I take my time to fire the best groups I can, the Glock is more accurate than I. Most pistols are. Now, how well we fire them, that is an entirely different matter.
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At 7 to 25 yards distances I normally shoot, I can keep all shots on a 3" shoot n' see relatively easily
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i didn't see the ruger choice the 1st time. my ruger p345 is more accurate than any 19 that i have shot. or my xd's.
Im sure the Glock will be plenty accurate, I shoot the 23, Im more accuate w/it than I am with anything else..including revolvers in single action. Its gonna be more about what you shoot well rather than wich gun is more accurate. I did look at the OP'ers history. you have been opening up alot of threads some on the same subjects all in the same day, and some w/the same exact titles. You would probably be better served just starting one thread and just letting it develop rather than 3-4 on the same issue
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I just got a G19 last month. Although I'm a SIG guy, I find that I can shoot my Glocks very accurately out to 15 yards. At 25 yards I prefer .45 caliber in a Sig or 1911 platform - but that's because I shoot those platforms and that caliber well.
I've put about 150 rounds through the G19 so far. Most of it has been at 15 yards. I've consistently averaged between 2" - 2.75" for 10 shots. That's about par for the course for me with 9mm.
In a couple of days I'm going to pick up my first CZ, a 75B. Then I'm going to have a little informal fun at the range with some head-to-head match-ups between my G19 vs my P228 and my CZ 75B vs P226 vs Hi Power. All 9mms. that I've owned or shot on many occasions.
Of course it won't prove anything except how well I can shoot each pistol, but it might give some feel to the shooting ability of each gun at ranges from 10 to 25 yards.
I'll post the results with pics.
I've put about 150 rounds through the G19 so far. Most of it has been at 15 yards. I've consistently averaged between 2" - 2.75" for 10 shots. That's about par for the course for me with 9mm.
In a couple of days I'm going to pick up my first CZ, a 75B. Then I'm going to have a little informal fun at the range with some head-to-head match-ups between my G19 vs my P228 and my CZ 75B vs P226 vs Hi Power. All 9mms. that I've owned or shot on many occasions.
Of course it won't prove anything except how well I can shoot each pistol, but it might give some feel to the shooting ability of each gun at ranges from 10 to 25 yards.
I'll post the results with pics.
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I disagree with some of these accuracy statements. I've owned several Glocks along with a truck load of other handguns. Including several Custom and semi-custom 1911's. Among those two Les Baer Premiers and a Wilson and a Clark. Every Glock I've owned has been exceedingly accurate. Actually pretty much target grade, target pistol accurate. However, they are greatly hampered by the trigger. The pistols are very, very accurate but difficult to wring out that last iota of accuracy. They have a great combat trigger but a lousy target trigger. If you could put a 1911 trigger on a stock Glock I think it would out shoot 99% of production pistols (just my opinion). At 25 yards any Glock I've had will shoot 3" groups or so with the stock trigger. But that's a function of the trigger. I think the pistols are capable of 1 1/2" to 2" groups. Just my opinion but I've owned and shot a lot of pistols. They are simply put together for combat not targets.
I disagree with some of these accuracy statements. I've owned several Glocks along with a truck load of other handguns. Including several Custom and semi-custom 1911's. Among those two Les Baer Premiers and a Wilson and a Clark. Every Glock I've owned has been exceedingly accurate. Actually pretty much target grade, target pistol accurate. However, they are greatly hampered by the trigger. The pistols are very, very accurate but difficult to wring out that last iota of accuracy. They have a great combat trigger but a lousy target trigger. If you could put a 1911 trigger on a stock Glock I think it would out shoot 99% of production pistols (just my opinion). At 25 yards any Glock I've had will shoot 3" groups or so with the stock trigger. But that's a function of the trigger. I think the pistols are capable of 1 1/2" to 2" groups. Just my opinion but I've owned and shot a lot of pistols. They are simply put together for combat not targets.
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Doc2005 said:
Can anyone verify this? I've looked in my Glock manual and searched Glock's website and can't find any mention of an accuracy guarantee.
See specifically:
http://www.glock.com/english/index_pistols.htm
The only production guns that I know of that come with an accuracy guarantee are Les Baers (either 3" or 1.5" for 10 shots at 50 yards), Rock River Arms and, I believe, the Springfield Professional (1.5" @ 25 yards).
I've seen multiple results (maybe 20 targets) of a Glock 22 with a match KKM barrel shot from a Ransom Rest at 25 yards and it wasn't producing sub 2" groups. More like 2 - 3.5" - which is very respectable.
Just curious.
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Blutto, I've owned several Glocks. I currently own a Model 19 and a Model 23 (along with assorted other pistols). I've never fired a Glock as inaccurate as you state. I don't shoot from a Ransom rest as I don't own one. I do shoot from sand bags/pistol rest occasionally. I believe every Glock I've owned would shoot about 2" or less at 25 yards - if you overcome the trigger liabilities. I have the reduced trigger pull option on my Model 23 and it helps some (not installed by Glock). I routinely shoot 3" or better groups at 20 -25 yards on a good day off hand. Something is wrong with your friends mechanical rest. Glocks, in my experience, are very, very accurate pistols. Just my opinion but it is based on actually shooting thousands of rounds through Glocks. I believe them as accurate as the Sigs, Berettas, Colts, Taurus, XD's, Springfields, I've owned. However, they are hampered by the trigger. Great combat trigger, not so good target trigger. The safety mechanism makes it un-wise to reduce the trigger pull only so much. Glock will not reduce the trigger pull on any pistol they produce desiginated as a "duty" weapon. They will reduce the trigger on anything desiginated as a "target" model.
Blutto, I've owned several Glocks. I currently own a Model 19 and a Model 23 (along with assorted other pistols). I've never fired a Glock as inaccurate as you state. I don't shoot from a Ransom rest as I don't own one. I do shoot from sand bags/pistol rest occasionally. I believe every Glock I've owned would shoot about 2" or less at 25 yards - if you overcome the trigger liabilities. I have the reduced trigger pull option on my Model 23 and it helps some (not installed by Glock). I routinely shoot 3" or better groups at 20 -25 yards on a good day off hand. Something is wrong with your friends mechanical rest. Glocks, in my experience, are very, very accurate pistols. Just my opinion but it is based on actually shooting thousands of rounds through Glocks. I believe them as accurate as the Sigs, Berettas, Colts, Taurus, XD's, Springfields, I've owned. However, they are hampered by the trigger. Great combat trigger, not so good target trigger. The safety mechanism makes it un-wise to reduce the trigger pull only so much. Glock will not reduce the trigger pull on any pistol they produce desiginated as a "duty" weapon. They will reduce the trigger on anything desiginated as a "target" model.
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mes228 -
I didn't say Glocks were inaccurate. I'm not bashing Glocks. I like them. My question was about the aforementioned "Glock 4 inch @ 50 yard guarantee". I didn't know they came with one.
I said that 2"-3" (10 shot) groups from a rest at 25 yards were very respectable - for repeatable, intrinsic accuracy OOTB. Are ytou saying that that's inaccurate? There are a lot of gun manufacturers that have been bounced from multi-million dollar government contract competitions because they couldn't produce a handgun for the government that would exceed those numbers. The FBI competition comes to mind.
Anyway, I wasn't talking about theoretical accuracy. Every make of pistol has theoretical accuracy given a better trigger, sights, etc. Every pistol will produce outstanding groups X percent of the time. I believe that ALL modern major pistol manufacturers produce accurate pistols. Some examples of any particular product will be exceedingly accurate. Like musical instruments, some produce tone far beyond their design and price.
But we're talking about the asymptote of the curve here. The final few percent of accuracy that requires design and production to be near perfect - like the SIG P210. I just don't think that every stock Glock will shoot 10 shots into 1.5" to 2" or less at 25 yards every time. Or almost every time. That would be a "standard" of accuracy worth banner headlines in the gun world. The way to test that is with a Ransom Rest and I just haven't run across any evidence of that. That's why I was curious about the 4" @ 50 yard guarantee. I would expect that type of accuracy to be part and parcel of Glock's advertising. I would also expect to see Glocks as major players in Bullseye competitions or to have a legendary reputation for accuracy.
For the record, I own a G19 and a G22 and have produced some excellent results with them. I actually like the consistent trigger. I really like the sights. Better than SIG sights. I don't dispute that they are accurate pistols. (I do not shoot them consistantly at 25 yards as accurately as my Sigs or 1911's. 15 yards? Pretty close. Like I said before.) And I've never shot a pistol off a rest. I shoot exclusively offhand almost always at 25 yards. I own a Les Baer, a Springfield Custom Competition, Sigs and shoot many platforms. The Ranson Rest targets I've seen of the Glock22 in question were not from a friend and I believe they were valid. It's not a bad thing.
Having said that, do I understand you correctly to say that you can shoot sub 3" groups - including fliers - (10 shots) offhand at 25 yards on demand? with your Glocks? That means virtually every time not just every 10 times.
I didn't say Glocks were inaccurate. I'm not bashing Glocks. I like them. My question was about the aforementioned "Glock 4 inch @ 50 yard guarantee". I didn't know they came with one.
I said that 2"-3" (10 shot) groups from a rest at 25 yards were very respectable - for repeatable, intrinsic accuracy OOTB. Are ytou saying that that's inaccurate? There are a lot of gun manufacturers that have been bounced from multi-million dollar government contract competitions because they couldn't produce a handgun for the government that would exceed those numbers. The FBI competition comes to mind.
Anyway, I wasn't talking about theoretical accuracy. Every make of pistol has theoretical accuracy given a better trigger, sights, etc. Every pistol will produce outstanding groups X percent of the time. I believe that ALL modern major pistol manufacturers produce accurate pistols. Some examples of any particular product will be exceedingly accurate. Like musical instruments, some produce tone far beyond their design and price.
But we're talking about the asymptote of the curve here. The final few percent of accuracy that requires design and production to be near perfect - like the SIG P210. I just don't think that every stock Glock will shoot 10 shots into 1.5" to 2" or less at 25 yards every time. Or almost every time. That would be a "standard" of accuracy worth banner headlines in the gun world. The way to test that is with a Ransom Rest and I just haven't run across any evidence of that. That's why I was curious about the 4" @ 50 yard guarantee. I would expect that type of accuracy to be part and parcel of Glock's advertising. I would also expect to see Glocks as major players in Bullseye competitions or to have a legendary reputation for accuracy.
For the record, I own a G19 and a G22 and have produced some excellent results with them. I actually like the consistent trigger. I really like the sights. Better than SIG sights. I don't dispute that they are accurate pistols. (I do not shoot them consistantly at 25 yards as accurately as my Sigs or 1911's. 15 yards? Pretty close. Like I said before.) And I've never shot a pistol off a rest. I shoot exclusively offhand almost always at 25 yards. I own a Les Baer, a Springfield Custom Competition, Sigs and shoot many platforms. The Ranson Rest targets I've seen of the Glock22 in question were not from a friend and I believe they were valid. It's not a bad thing.
Having said that, do I understand you correctly to say that you can shoot sub 3" groups - including fliers - (10 shots) offhand at 25 yards on demand? with your Glocks? That means virtually every time not just every 10 times.
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I have carried Glock 19 for 13 years. I found it better then Sig and Taurus, and others not listed in you list. I can group then entire 31 rounds mag in 3 inch group. But this all depends on which gun you practice most with.
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