I'm a relative newbie when it comes to Glocks. That said, I'm not convinced that the G19 is any more prone to limp-wrist-induced failures than any other polymer semiauto. The G19 is one of many current-production pistols that are suitable for CC.
Glock 19 CCW?
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LouisianaAviator
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You sound like you may have a lot of experience shooting if you've carried a government model 1911 for a long time. Therefore, you have the fundamentals of how to hold and operate a pistol nailed (could be wrong).
The Glock 9mm's do seem to be easier to limp wrist than heavier 9mm pistols, but that's certainly no reason to dismiss it as something you can't trust your life to. That said, as long as you get out there, practice in several (even uncomfortable or unusual, but always safe) positions, and you don't encounter problems, I'd say it's a nonfactor.
Glocks are not easy to limp wrist unless you're trying or are inexperienced. However, worst case scenario and Glocks are susceptible, look at it like this:
With your 1911, you have to train yourself to swipe that safety down as you bring the gun up to firing position. When you do that, it becomes second nature. Consider your concern about the Glock in that light. Train yourself to hold the gun correctly (which it sounds like you do) and it will be as second nature as bringing the safety down when you draw your 1911. Truth be told though, I suspect you're overthinking this a bit. That's not a bad thing, but there comes a point where you have to make a decision lest you make none at all.
Like many others have said, 9mm Glocks, including 19's, are used all over the world and particularly countless thousands of police officers around the US, used in countless life-and-death encounters. If this were something to be worried about, we'd be hearing a lot more about it, I would think.
It sounds to me like you really like the Glock 19 and that it would fulfill your carry needs. It's certainly proven itself all over the world as a weapon to trust your life to.
So... my advice? Buy it and don't worry about it! And go out there and practice, practice, practice!
The Glock 9mm's do seem to be easier to limp wrist than heavier 9mm pistols, but that's certainly no reason to dismiss it as something you can't trust your life to. That said, as long as you get out there, practice in several (even uncomfortable or unusual, but always safe) positions, and you don't encounter problems, I'd say it's a nonfactor.
Glocks are not easy to limp wrist unless you're trying or are inexperienced. However, worst case scenario and Glocks are susceptible, look at it like this:
With your 1911, you have to train yourself to swipe that safety down as you bring the gun up to firing position. When you do that, it becomes second nature. Consider your concern about the Glock in that light. Train yourself to hold the gun correctly (which it sounds like you do) and it will be as second nature as bringing the safety down when you draw your 1911. Truth be told though, I suspect you're overthinking this a bit. That's not a bad thing, but there comes a point where you have to make a decision lest you make none at all.
Like many others have said, 9mm Glocks, including 19's, are used all over the world and particularly countless thousands of police officers around the US, used in countless life-and-death encounters. If this were something to be worried about, we'd be hearing a lot more about it, I would think.
It sounds to me like you really like the Glock 19 and that it would fulfill your carry needs. It's certainly proven itself all over the world as a weapon to trust your life to.
So... my advice? Buy it and don't worry about it! And go out there and practice, practice, practice!
22250Rem
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I've had a Glock 19 since Feb. 2012. So far it's digested almost 500 rounds without a problem. I've shot it left handed (I'm a righty) and in various positions but have only had one problem. That was when firing the gun horizontally (ejection port facing straight up), one fired case out of ten didn't make it out of the gun fast enough; and that was steel cased Tula ammo. Other than that it runs flawlessly. I never even tried limpwristing it but I think I'd have to try hard to cause a problem that way. Next time I'm at the range I'll have to try it just so I can be totally familiar with the gun. I bought a G19 because I used to shoot someone else's occasionally and it kind of grew on me. I like the rugged simplicity of that design and their reputation for reliability. Besides; it feels good in my hand too!
palmetto99
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I had my G19 since 1995. No problems, no issues, no modifications.
stubbicatt
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Other than out of spec hand loads, my Glock 19 has digested everything I have ever fed it, without issue. I carried mine for awhile. I now carry a 45 ACP revolver, I find it to be a better combination of characteristics for my use.
The one factor that pushed me to this decision more than others is that to carry a round up the spout in a G19 in AIWB is dangerous, at least to my way of seeing it. I do not have the same trepidation with a double action revolver.
The one factor that pushed me to this decision more than others is that to carry a round up the spout in a G19 in AIWB is dangerous, at least to my way of seeing it. I do not have the same trepidation with a double action revolver.
Theohazard
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This inevitably comes up in almost every Glock thread. I have to ask, if you have a holster that covers the trigger, how is it dangerous? The only way a Glock can fire is if something depresses the safety on the trigger and then exerts about 6 pounds to pull the trigger. A revolver is very similar; it requires more weight to pull the trigger, but it doesn't have a trigger-face safety that helps to avoid snags.stubbicatt said:
So with a revolver or a Glock, just make sure to use a good holster that protects the trigger, keep your finger off the trigger until you intend to fire, and be careful with snags when re-holstering. If you do those things you'll be just fine.
Bologna
I have carried my G19 in an IWB holster for many years. I am presently using the www.aliengearolsters.com which is a comparable but much cheaper crossbreedholster. it is very comfortable and can easily conceal it under a Tshirt.
JR24
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You were saying the same in the other forum about a 1911's being dangerous to carry cocked and locked. If you only want to carry a revolver, great! But if you follow the rules no gun is more dangerous to carry vs another. Carry in a proper holster, don't pull the trigger, make sure there are no obstructions while holstering and DON'T PULL THE TRIGGER.
A revolver will still fire if you pull the trigger, just like a Glock, SIG, HK, Colt, or any semi-automatic.
LouisianaAviator
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I don't think the OP was asking about what type/action of gun is best for concealed carry. His concerns have nothing to do with holsters or firing systems, so maybe we should stick to what he wants advice on.
chains1240
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I recently bought a Gen4 G19. I find the grip diameter from the factory to be similar in size to my 1911. I love it. As far as being pushed to the ground or injured to the point that you may limp wrist the pistol? We have to qualify with our duty pistol and EVERY pistol we carry off duty as a department requirement. That includes shooting off hand. I don't use a crush grip with my off hand, I just hold on and shoot away. Neither my 1911, Kel-Tec P11 nor my new G19 have malfunctioned shooting off hand.
Capt. Ct.
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I have had a G-19 for many years. A second gen that I rebuilt. One day I was the only person at the range. Over the years I have read about the famous Glock limp wristing problem but never experienced it. I let my wrist, elbow, and shoulder go as limp as a wet noodle. I gave it a week grip. I turned it sideways. Guess what. I was not able to get the thing to fail no matter what I did. Any gun can fail for a multitude of reasons but I would not hesitate to buy a Glock 19 do to a limp wristing concern.
I've never seen a Glock failure do to limp wristing myself and I've always had at least one Glock in the stable since the late 80's with a gen 1 23.
One thing I would suggest if you're worried about injury, learn to shoot Ambidextrously with both eyes open. I'm right handed and left eye dominant, and while I don't shoot my 30SF as well weak handed, I get better groups with my G19 in my left hand. Which is saying something because I get damn good groups with that right handed.
OTOH, I don't even try shooting my S&W 29-4 LH, and I suspect if I limp wristed that gun I'd take my face off.
One thing I would suggest if you're worried about injury, learn to shoot Ambidextrously with both eyes open. I'm right handed and left eye dominant, and while I don't shoot my 30SF as well weak handed, I get better groups with my G19 in my left hand. Which is saying something because I get damn good groups with that right handed.
OTOH, I don't even try shooting my S&W 29-4 LH, and I suspect if I limp wristed that gun I'd take my face off.
shooter1
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The Glock 19 is likely one of the most popular concealed carry pistols in the world. That's because it works. If that's what you want, it's a great choice. One of the most reliable pistols on the face of the earth. I carry one frequently.
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gojuice101
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I think the Glock limp-wristing argument is a little overblown. Like others here, I've specifically tried to get my G19 to have a failure related to limp-wristing, and it has never happened, no matter how lightly I held it. It has functioned everytime.
And as far as the argument that a Glock is unsafe to carry with a chambered round...that's another myth. I'll admit I worried about that when I got one because I'd heard it all the time. But I've seen and done intense torture tests just to see if it could be accidentally fired, and it doesn't. And that was with a light trigger (think it was like 2-3 lb s. I don't remember exactly), not a stock trigger system.
It's good to think ahead about this type of stuff. But Glocks are very common carry guns, and there is a reason for that. I wouldn't worry about limp-wristing failures.
And as far as the argument that a Glock is unsafe to carry with a chambered round...that's another myth. I'll admit I worried about that when I got one because I'd heard it all the time. But I've seen and done intense torture tests just to see if it could be accidentally fired, and it doesn't. And that was with a light trigger (think it was like 2-3 lb s. I don't remember exactly), not a stock trigger system.
It's good to think ahead about this type of stuff. But Glocks are very common carry guns, and there is a reason for that. I wouldn't worry about limp-wristing failures.
rskent
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JJ G19 vs 1911
I don't think you can go wrong here. A G19 is night and day different from a 1911. But they are both great service pistols. If maintained
well they are both very reliable tools that you can count on to protect your butt. One is old school and one is not. Coming from a 1911,
getting used to the Glock trigger might take a little time. I think its worth the effort. As far as limpwristing, I just don’t see a problem.
I don't think you can go wrong here. A G19 is night and day different from a 1911. But they are both great service pistols. If maintained
well they are both very reliable tools that you can count on to protect your butt. One is old school and one is not. Coming from a 1911,
getting used to the Glock trigger might take a little time. I think its worth the effort. As far as limpwristing, I just don’t see a problem.
MisterMike
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Three Glocks, innumerable rounds over several years, and I've never had a single malfunction. Not one. I guess that, in theory, you could induce a problem, but I find it incomprehensible that anyone could ever fault Glock for reliability.
If you have a physical handicap that might lead to limp writing, maybe you should be concerned. If not, go for it.
If you have a physical handicap that might lead to limp writing, maybe you should be concerned. If not, go for it.
stonecutter2
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I'll agree. I tried and never could get my 19 gen4 to malfunction with a weak hold. I shot offhand, and with various strength grips, and at different angles at the family range just to put the thing through it's paces in "what if" scenarios. It didn't have any issues firing, not one.
I'm not saying some people don't have problems with their Glocks, or that others haen't gotten lemons from Glock, i'm just saying mine has been 99%.
The 1% was when I unholstered at the range and the slide fell off :O The metal clip holding the release lever had become deformed somehow...I bought a replacement and a spare. My backup home defense did fine until the parts arrived. I found reports of serial #'s near mine that also had this defect. Cheap fix...and I somehow caught the slide/barrel before it went nosedown in the dirt and rocks!
dprice3844444
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had my 2 g19c g3's.had the gun dropping spent brass on my forehead and trigger finger on both models creating a blister on finger.returned both 19's a 26 to glock for repair.requested they also replace the serated tringgers with the g17 round triggers,which they did at no charge. only probs with my glocks.
Big Shrek
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People that tend to limpwrist...
Archers, as they are used to a grip which pretty much isn't a grip...
the bow rests in the web of the left hand and the fingers are lightly placed on the front...
which is does mean that at times especially after shooting the bow for awhile,
one does tend to use the same grip that one was just using on the bow...
although the first time you do that with a G20, it reminds you...
Folks with weak handshakes/low hand strength...
nothing to be done there...except give 'em one of these...
Folks with medical conditions that preclude being able to grip something firmly...
I'll leave that to the Doc's in the crowd to answer...
Archers, as they are used to a grip which pretty much isn't a grip...
the bow rests in the web of the left hand and the fingers are lightly placed on the front...
which is does mean that at times especially after shooting the bow for awhile,
one does tend to use the same grip that one was just using on the bow...
although the first time you do that with a G20, it reminds you...
Folks with weak handshakes/low hand strength...
nothing to be done there...except give 'em one of these...
Folks with medical conditions that preclude being able to grip something firmly...
I'll leave that to the Doc's in the crowd to answer...
Big Shrek
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And so far, every unintended Glock shooting I've run across in the South has been stupidity-oriented.
Like some dang fool having a gunsmith remove the drop safety so he could have a "Race Gun"...
Like some dang fool having a gunsmith remove the drop safety so he could have a "Race Gun"...
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You have sufficient opinions/experiences from the Glock owning contingent on THR. The only thing to do at this point is to go buy or rent a G19 and see what it takes in terms of loose grip to create a failure. If you are happy with the level of effort required to cause a failure, keep the gun, If not, sell it. No one here will be able to allay this somewhat irrational fear of yours for you.
stonecutter2
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My G19 does drop/eject brass strangely at times - including shooting it at my forehead. What did Glock do to fix that? I might just buy a replacement part if that will help it. It's not frequent enough to annoy me, but it happens.
As an aside...I replaced my trigger right away with a smooth surface G17 trigger from a gen3...will never go back
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