Glock 20 for woods carry?

[Sundles]

The good news about black bear attacks is that you dont have to kill them to stop the attack. Just shoot them with something that severely hurts them and they will cease. The 10mm with decent ammo, will stop the attack of a black bear.

Grizzly bear is another matter.

 

[magripa]

Any pistol ammo is made to stop man attack. Stopping bear or puma is a whole different story. I am camping in Wisconsin and south IL and always I am more worried about hog than bear attack.

 

[MD_Willington]

Puma, 10mm would kick the crap out of one..

I'm from Vancouver Island BC, very high concentration of Black bears and Cougars/Puma/mountain lions, one guy killed one with his pocket knife, sure he looks like hell now but you can do it.

The Ministry of environment used to carry S&W .357 magnum then they transitioned to .40 S&W Glocks, also carried 12 gage for bush work.

 

[Autolycus]

A Glock 20 is a good choice for the woods in my opinion.

 

[Sundles]

Puma/Mt. Lion are very very easily hurt and diswaded. Any pistol caliber that will turn a human (22 LR and up) will turn a Mt. lion.

 

[JohnKSa]

Are you honestly trying to suggest that the Taylor KO formula is better than actual testing? That is one man's guess at how effective large caliber rifles are for elephant hunting.

It wasn't even meant to be that. It was called the Knock-Out factor for a reason. It was Taylor's way of estimating how long an elephant would stay unconscious from a shot to the skull that didn't hit the brain.

Like you, I don't understand how a formula meant to estimate the effect of shock transmission through bone by a bullet strike from an elephant gun could be reasonably thought to apply to estimating the degree of soft tissue injury from a handgun bullet.

Here's one comment Taylor made about it.

"In dense bush it is all too frequently impossible to do anything but knock the elephant down with a head shot, which you know cannot possibly find the brain, and then tear your way through the bush in the hope that you will be there in time to finish him off before he gathers his wits together sufficiently to do anything about it. ... As I have alread pointed out, over 60 Knock-Out values are necessary to stun an elephant for anything up to five minutes or so, depending upon how close to the brain you hit him; the .500s will knock him out for possibly 20 minutes; and the .600 for anything up to half an hour."

 

[harrygunner]

The Taylor KO Factor is just momentum times bullet diameter.

It's like considering a tube of damage whose length comes from
penetration with a diameter dictated by bullet size.

To me, it's a crude model of a wound channel.

 

[Sundles]

Johnksa,

I'm not into using mathmatical formulas in order to understand how effective a given cartridge MAY be on an animal, but if some one is going to use a mathmatical formula, the Taylor KO formula is much better than the energy formula. As quoted in the last paragraph in your post, the kO formula was developed through testing on African game. The energy formula, on the other hand, is purely a mathmatic formula that has more gross errors in it than the KO formula--when it comes to considering its effectiveness on BIG GAME. Effectiveness on humans (not big game) is yet another matter.

 

[Cocked & Locked]

I don't know what the bear issue is in NC, but here in Southern New England, they are more of a pest than a threat.

think about the words below...the issue can be big!

Quote from www.blackbear.org "Adult Weights: Wild male black bears of breeding age usually weigh between 125 and 500 pounds, depending upon age, season, and food. Very well fed bears can be heavier. The record is 880 pounds in Craven County, North Carolina, and a close second from northeastern Minnesota weighed 876 pounds on September 5, 1994. Wild females usually weigh between 90 and 300 pounds with the heaviest known female weighing 520 pounds in northeastern Minnesota on August 30, 1993. Black bears in captivity may exceed these records."

 

[surfinUSA]

The G20 is a great woods gun. Although its large, it carries 15 very powerful round. I like winchester silver tip but Double tap is supposed to be better. The gun is flat and easy to conceal and impervious to the elements.

You will be well armed with that gun.

But the truth is I never use mine unless I'mm actually hunting pigs. My usual carry gun when out in the Florida swamps is usually a G26. Although an attack by a pig, bear, panther or alligator is always a possibility, I've never had a problem with any of the except for a small gator continually harassing my bobber and bait.

Other people is what I worry about.

 

[ramptester]

The Double tap 100mm 200 grain at 1300 FPS almost equals the Hornady 44 magnum load out of a 4 inch 44 revolver. Think about 16 more controllable rounds in a lighter package compared to 6 in a much heavier weight and reoiling gun in the revolver (Unless you want to go to lighter scandium, which does hurt after the first cylinder of 44 mags)

 

[riomedinamike]

Ask Ted Nugent - I understand that is what he carries. The Glock 20 does have a thick grip - if you have a larger than normal hand, it's not a problem.

 

[JohnKSa]

I'm not into using mathmatical formulas in order to understand how effective a given cartridge MAY be on an animal...

I stayed with you that far...

TKO has become popular because it supported the views & theories of various people influential in the firearms community. That's about it. It wouldn't surprise me if there was some level of correlation to firearm effectiveness since it's a sort of messed up momentum calculation and we know that momentum can be scientifically correlated with penetration. The problem is that it's not scientific, it's not being used for what the originator intended, and the addition of the diameter factor clearly produces unrealistic results in some cases. I'm sure we're all aware of how the TKO factor "proves" that a thrown baseball is far more effective on game than a pistol round.

 

[cbsbyte]

think about the words below...the issue can be big!

Yeah so what. I was discussing the bear problem where I live, in Southern New England not NC. We do not see large bears around here. Maybe 300lbs max, which is still a big animal and very dangerous. If one lives in a area with a large bear population pack accordingly.