Glock 30 vs H&K USPc ?

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Which would you all prefer as a conceal carry? The Glock has high capacity, and small size. (Not to mention it is affordable.) The USP, however, is known to be more accurate, but very bulky and heavy. I am leaning towards getting the Glock, but the USP seems to be the most practical secondary carry as most military units. I also believe the USP is a bit harder to obtain nowadays...civilian wise that is. Any suggestions?
 
Cut Throat Job said:
Which would you all prefer as a conceal carry? The Glock has high capacity, and small size. (Not to mention it is affordable.) The USP, however, is known to be more accurate, but very bulky and heavy. I am leaning towards getting the Glock, but the USP seems to be the most practical secondary carry as most military units. I also believe the USP is a bit harder to obtain nowadays...civilian wise that is. Any suggestions?
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The USP is not known to be more accurate. The 30 has a great reputation for accuracy as do 45 Glocks in general. My former full size USP in 45 was not more accurate than my Glock 21. Some military units carry the SOCOM but not that many. Its a big unwiedly pistol the size of a compact subgun. Its not all that popular outside of video games. The Glock 30 is a faviorate choice of a lot of leo's who depend on pistols more so than military folks to save their bacon. The military folks almost always have bigger and better guns than pistols at hand. While leo's usually only have pistols unless they have forewarning of impending danger then we can go back to our cruisers and get our M4's or 870's out.
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Cut Throat Job said:
Which would you all prefer as a conceal carry? The Glock has high capacity, and small size. (Not to mention it is affordable.) The USP, however, is known to be more accurate, but very bulky and heavy. I am leaning towards getting the Glock, but the USP seems to be the most practical secondary carry as most military units. I also believe the USP is a bit harder to obtain nowadays...civilian wise that is. Any suggestions?
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I don't know why the USP would be harder to obtain...I just got two within the last couple months, and there's always tons for sale on gunbroker, gunsamerica, CDNN, etc...
 
I don't think either of those are compensated? At least, I know my USPc isn't...don't know much about Glocks.
 
Ah, USPc stands for compact. Not sure about Glocks, but that would make sense, since compact Glock models aren't denoted by the letter c, so you could be right.
 
The G30 is not offered compensated. The new G30's also come with a rail, my old G30 doesn't.

I own both pistols with the USPc being in 9mm. They are both great guns. If I absolutely had to pick one, it would be the G30. That is the most accurate gun that I have shot.

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My G30 has the following modifications done: 3.5# connector, extended slide release, Mepro's. My USPc's only modifications are Mepro's.

Beware of the G30, some people think that the gun is a little too wide. Even though I have small hands, it fits my hand perfectly. I have better trigger control with my G30 than I do with my USPc or my P229. And don't let the recoil of the .45 intimidate you. The G30 recoil is extremely manageable, I'm 5'6", 130 lbs. and I have no problems with recoil on the G30.

The G30 is a little bit more concealable to me than the USPc. When I carry my G30, it's usually in a Sidearmor IWB and the USPc is in a High Noon OWB. Another great thing about the G30, and about the compact and sub-compact Glocks, is that they accept the magazines from their big brothers. I carry the standard 10 round mag inside the gun with 2-13 round G21 mags as backup. Downside to that is the weight of the .45 but that is with any .45.

The USPc has it's own benefits. For one, it is lightweight and if you have to carry the gun for long periods of time, the weight will make a difference. Then again, both are lighter than my P229. But I also have a shoulder holster to balance out the weight on my P229.

My suggestion would be to shoot both of them, they are both totally different animals. Keep in mind that if you get the V1 on the USPc (one of the most common variants), you can carry the gun cocked and locked. I don't carry it locked and cocked, however.

Just do what I did and get both of them, you won't regret it!:D
 
The USP compacts I have seen have always seemed a bit bulky to me.

I had a customer who bought a couple of them, so I was able to handle them quite a bit, but, I have not shot them.

As for the Glock 30 -

It is difficult to argue with something that is about the size of my hand that holds 10 rounds of .45ACP.

I have a Glock 30 as one of my CCW handguns and I like it a lot!. It is small, holds 10 rounds, inexpensive, and very accurate. I do not think that you could go wrong getting one of these.
 
What Edmond said - shoot both and see which you like/shoot best.

Try as I may, from my POV, I just don't like the Glock trigger. I'd allow as how the H&K may be a little blockier (wat's a 1/10" among friends?), but practically speaking, I don't see it as an issue, CCW-wise. I think the H&K is worth the $$, YMMV
 
MAN! This is a toughy!

I like my Glocks! But I LOVE my HK's! The HK'S shoot Fantastic out of the Box! Yes, they are a little more pricey, but it takes some bucks $$ to get a Glock to perform anything like a HK. And like I said, I own some Glocks and HK's, but have spent a ton, getting 3 1/2# connectors, better trigger, good guide rods ETC to get them to perform.


Myself and the owners of Lightning Strike (Randy and his son Jeremy) are on a First Name Friendship, they know my Credit Card Numbers by HEART

But if money was NO object. I would buy a HK Compact 40 and not look back!

My HK compact Two Tone 40 is one of my favorites only to my USP Full Sized Two Tone 45!

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I've got a lot of 45's - only two have been 100% reliable, my USPc and my Les Baer 1911. I like the H&K because of the way it points - for me it lines up nicely without any movement.
 
My preference: HK USPc

Reasons why: One is NOT that it is inherently more accurate. It is, however, more accurate for me. It's also NOT harder to "obtain civilian wise," especially in the USA since it's not issued in the military. It's also NOT significantly heavier than the G30.

Acknowledgements: Glock is cheaper. Also, IME, it doesn't take extra money to get Glocks to perform like HKs as a previous poster said. Both are accurate and reliable pistols, from there it's subjective.

Suggestion: Shoot both. Pick the one you like best. Even if it happens to be the more expensive of the two, you'll likely be happier that way in the long run. It may cost more to get the best gear for your body type, skills, and preferences, but at least that way you'll only cry once.
 
Look at the P2000. Or the P2000sk. They are also very nice guns and accurate as hell. They also feature interchangable backstraps to allow you to customize the grip to your hand.

I prefer HKs over Glocks. Not to say that Glocks are not a very good and reliable firearm just that HK is a nicer firearm. Its all opinion.

I second the idea of renting them and seeing which one you enjoy more. From there you can see which is better for you.
 
Just to tell you how much I love my USPc...after shooting it, I went and found myself a USP .45 less than a month later. =)
 
The usp compact is just as bulky as the glock 30. The Hks are ridiculousy expensive though. Both are great guns.
 
When comparing the Glock to the HK this is what I see.

The HK has a high bore axis magnifing muzzle flip. I don't care for the HK's da sa pull or the lem version. The DA SA system in general is slower and can cause you to either slow your first round down or shoot low with it. The LEM trigger is long and the reset makes firing quick follow up shots more difficult.

The Glock has a low bore axis making follow up shots faster. The trigger is the same from first to last and it has a short reset. The HK is also overpriced for what you get. Bot are reliable accurate guns but the Glock has the edge. Personally I don't care for either the 30 or the USP compact 45. I don't like double stack 45's much as their harder to conceal and big for my hands. But to each his own. I find a full size 19ll easier to conceal than a Glock 30 due to the thin profile of the 1911.
Pat
 
I'd go with the USP Compact...I really don't think I could accurately shoot anything smaller, at least to my satisfaction. For CCW, I will only carry a gun with a heavy DA pull on the first shot or a gun with a light SA pull w/ manual safety. The HK can do either, the Glock can do neither. Makes a difference to me if I want to use an IWB holster...also when a holster may not be an option.

The HK points naturally which is paramount in a CCW gun, where aimed fire probably isn't a reality. Smaller Glocks compound this problem as they lack weight in the front to bring the barrel down. I shoot the Glock 17,20,22, and 21 pretty good...compacts not so much. I don't like sub-compacts at all and don't have any use for them.

I think both guns will be very reliable but the HK will probably have the edge.
 
got both kinda

I own a usp .40 and a glock 29. Both are great. Both are easy to shoot. it comes down to what you like.

I will keep both forever.
 
yea i was going to go with the G30 most definately. to be honest the real reason i wanted the G30 is because its very cheap :)
 
Both are spectacular guns--you won't go wrong whatever you decide. I had a hard time getting used to the USP because I had to adjust my grip to keep from dropping the magazine with the heel of my left hand, but once I figured that out, I'd have to rank it as one of the finest handguns I've ever shot.

But I wouldn't rank it higher than the Glock, because for me the Glock trigger works better than any other. Again, before I got used to it, I thought it was nigh on retarded, but once I mastered it, I shoot Glocks better than any other handgun.

As for accuracy, Masood Ayoobi, or whatever his name is, once wrote an article about the Glock 30 being perhaps the most accurate autoloader he had ever shot. It was an excellent article, with several good theories about why the gun was so accurate. But none of that will make a hill of beans worth of difference if you can't come to grips with the trigger, so shoot both guns before deciding.

Another option is the Glock 36, which is a single-stack version of the 30. You will lose 4 rounds of capacity over the double-stack 30, and you won't be able to use mags from the other .45 ACP Glocks, but if you have a problem with the thickness of the 30, this may be the gun for you.

Good luck, and let us know what you decide.
 
I have both. I've kept both for a number of reasons. First off if forced to choose I would keep the H&K. Why? The grip is much thinner and ergonomic to me on the H&K. The H&K offers you virtually any trigger type you want. I have the varaint one which offers me the advantage of carrying cocked and locked or traditional DA/SA. If you like a left handers model, a DAO trigger, a light DAO trigger (LEM), or aout whatever your heart desires you can get it in the H&K. Although the Glock is incredibly tough the build quality of the H&K is fantastic. They are a precision instrument. And built like an M1 tank. Also I like the steel mags much better. The accuracy in the .45 at least is superb. The SA trigger and the slimmer grip make the H&K easier for me to shoot well.
Plus I hate the finger grooves they put on the later generation Glocks. They don't fit everyones hand. But my G-30. First off the Glock is a very simple design. Very easy to work on and customize. I put my own adjustale nightsights on mine. Polished the internals. Added a 3.5 lb. connector and a Wolff steel recoil guide rod. I've had the plastic standard equipment guide rods break on me. I can also completely detail strip the gun for periodic deep cleaning. I wouldn't dare try that with one of my 1911's or H&K. Next the Glock has probably one of the best finishes if not the best out there. The tennifer finish is practically indestructable. The G30 is also extremely accurate. The problems. For me the grip doesn't feel comfortable. Although I can still shoot it well. I don't like the plastic mags. It takes a long time to do it but I did wear out some mags on my G27. The feed lips just became too mangled. As I said the plastic guide ro although probably rear does sometimes break. Also the spring on the release mechanism to free the slde for cleaning is very weak and prone to breakage. I had it happen on my G30 and my G27. Ands have seen it appen on two other G30's. Also the Glocks can start having light primer strikes if the firin pin channel is not kept clean. When I first got mine they were redesigning the kags on the guns. Had some problems with the early mags. So although very good the Glocks are not perfection. As a while my H&K has never not feed, fired and ejected. My G30 doesn't have anymore problems since I made my modifications. But it did have failures relating to the recoil assembly breaking, the above mentioned spring breaking, and I have worn mags out. So in my experience the H&K has been more reliable than the Glock. It doesn't matter to me but will to some that the H&K offers a manual safety. The only reason I like this is it allows for cocked and locked carry. A nice crisp 4.5 lb. trigger. The Glock has only it's internal safty sytems. Not an issue with me but with some it is. Both uns are suberbly accurate. Because of my hand size and the grip angle the H&K is easier for me to shoot well. It also offers a second strike capability. Obviously the Glock doesn't. So why do i still want my Glock? Cost first off. The Glcok is considerably cheaper than the H&K. If it is lost or stolen it is much easier to replace. Next the tennifer finish. My H&K has a Stainless finish. I don't want it all gouged from rough use. That is one reason I kept m G30. If I am going hiking or camping it really doesn't matter if you smack your Glock around or even drop it in water. You just shake it off, let it dry and your good to go. Also when hiking or camping weight should be kept a a minimum. I usually carry 10+1 rounds of Winchester Ranger 230gr. +P's in the mag in the gun. And a back-up mag of hardball. 21 rounds of .45 in a compact, tough package is very attaractive. It's like this. I'd like a four wheel drive truck for going out in the rough country. That's the Glock. A nice sports car would be nice for general cruising. Sleek, fast, and good looking. The H&K. Really you an't go wrong with either. If you've got the money I'd say get the H&K. But if it fits your hand the G30 won't let you down for much less money. money
 
I've been toting around my G30 as a CCW for a long time. I think you will be hard pressed to find a gun which gives you the balance of accuracy, capacity and conceal ability in a .45ACP. I hear a lot of people who say that the G30 is too thick and heavy to CCW. I suspect a lot of those people are just parroting out what they have read and really have no experience with the G30 (this statement is not pointed at any of the previous posters). I used to carry a 1911 (7+1) - now that's a heavy gun! I much prefer to carry my G30 (10+1) which is a IMHO much lighter plus offers more rounds.

Heck, all things said, a good holster and belt combo can make a howitzer comfortable to carry. If you do go with a G30 I highly recommend a VMII holster. I nthe end I suggest you shoot both and then decide which works best for you. I find the HK to be a bit top heavy compared to the G30 but I love the grip on the HK. Be it as it may, both firearms are superior pieces of foreign engineering and design.
 
Very good post Dave Richards. Lots of good info there. :)

CutThroatJob, I own the Glock 30 and rely on it as my carry weapon. Back when I was trying to figure out what to carry, I had friends telling me to get a Kimber compact and some telling me HK or Sig. All fine pistols. Kimbers are awesome to shoot. However, I have a friend who is SWAT and he said when you are looking for a pistol that is tough, won't jam and you can trust your life with- go with Glock.

I love that my Glock 30 is small, easy to conceal (even with a T shirt in the summer) and I have 11 rounds of .45 to back me up in a life or death situation. It is easy to clean and very accurate.

I bought my Glock 30 for $519, which is pretty inexpensive. You could probably get a used one for less. Be cautious about prices. Some gun stores were trying to sell me it for $590 and up. Don't overpay for a Glock when they are all over the market.
Good luck.
 
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