Glock external safety?

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So...yesterday a guy brought in a Glock that had an aftermarket trigger placed with a "Crossbolt" style safety on the trigger... when engaged it essentially blocked the traditional glock trigger safety from being depressed therefore using the mechanism of the trigger safety to prevent the trigger from being pulled while the safety was engaged.

I know I know.. safety between ears... I have heard that enough to vomit...

BUT.. why doesnt Glock offer this as an option with their guns in order to provide some variety to those who would be more comfortable with a functional safety on their guns. I am not leaning one way or the other on the issue, I own guns with and without external safeties and am more than happy either way when it comes to my own CCW.
 
I have read that Glock has built guns with manual safeties for one or another non-US contract. So all you have to do is order enough guns to make it worth their while and they will fix you up.
 
why doesnt Glock offer this as an option with their guns in order to provide some variety to those who would be more comfortable with a functional safety on their guns.

Not offering it really hasn't hurt their sales. I'm sure if their market research shows it's worth it for them to offer it they will.
 
why doesnt Glock offer this as an option with their guns
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wouldn't that be like admitting it wasn't perfect to begin with? :)

i can think of 2 reason, just off the top of my head
1. cost of conversion
2. offering something new often causes a surge of demand for the new product and leave you with a surplus of the older product...LE agencies might start demanding trade-ins for their "less-safe" Glocks at the same price they paid for the original conversion ($0)
 
I put a thumb safety on mine years ago and have never regretted it.

http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=5532/Product/MANUAL_SAFETY_KIT_FOR_GLOCK_reg_

I now have a Glock 23 that I can load and stuff in my hip pocket when I go outside to check the dogs at night without worrying about shooting my butt off!

My son just bought an XD with a totally unobtrusive grip safety that also seems like a very fine idea to me.

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If you feel the need for a safety on your Glock, there are several options available. I personally like the Glock because it is a point and shoot, no safety to other things to worry about when you need to shoot. My handgun choices are Glocks, Kahrs and double action revolvers. I can shoot a 1911 faster in action matches but do not trust my life to it (no flame please), it is a great gun but not what works best for me. YMMV : Bill :D
 
Im glad they don't... I think that most of us would lose respect. It seems to be a submission to potential litigation more than a real customer desire. I don't know many Glock owners that wish they had a manual safety.
 
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Because those Crossbolt safties that have to be manipulated by fingering the trigger are a bad idea?
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Agreed, I don't think this is a very good idea as your finger has to directly contact the trigger. Even the triggerguard-mounted safeties of the Garand, Mini-14, etc. keep your finger away from the trigger. If you must put a safety on a Glock I would recommend the Cominoli thumb safety, as installed by Ten-Ring and others. Personally I would rather not.
 
Because those Crossbolt safties that have to be manipulated by fingering the trigger are a bad idea?
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what is unsafe about a safety mounted on a trigger that already has a portion that must be depressed in order for the trigger to be pulled anyhow? the safety I mentioned turnes the already present trigger safety into a functional and manual safety.

BUT... that is not the point.. from many posts above there are options available for safeties to be added to Glocks... I thought the trigger addition was a good addition but all of them seem somewhat intriguing. It just seems Glock could gain more favor from the haters without losing any to the Glock faithful by embracing some of these as options for "sub-models" lets say a 17+ or 17b.
 
what is unsafe about a safety mounted on a trigger that already has a portion that must be depressed in order for the trigger to be pulled anyhow? the safety I mentioned turnes the already present trigger safety into a functional and manual safety.
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i can understand why people would think it is unsafe. there will be times when the user wants to dissengage the safety, but does NOT want to fire. while doing this, he'd be violating the biggest rule "don't touch the trigger, until firing".

but as far as WHY they don't. i'd have to assume it's all a numbers game: how much will it cost to tool up for it? how much will we make off it? can we actually compete with the existing options that we've already said will NOT violate our warranty?

they prolly asked themselves these questions, then did what Glock always does...... the same freaking thing they'v been doing for over 2 decades :( seriously, expecting Glock to actually change anything is unrealistic. i'm a Glock armorer, they went over all Glocks changes and advancements, in our class. while they DO make sure to use better parts, as they become available or common, they never really go in a different design direction the way other mfg's do.
 
Glock has produced a model 17 with a 1911 style thumb safety for government contracts. Do a search for Tasmania Police.
 
If a bunch of external safeties make you feel better, just don't get a Glock. They are designed the way they are for a reason...
 
can understand why people would think it is unsafe. there will be times when the user wants to dissengage the safety, but does NOT want to fire. while doing this, he'd be violating the biggest rule "don't touch the trigger, until firing".
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When would you want to disengage the safety on the Glock if you weren't going to shoot it?
 
The logic of push pin type safties on a glock doesn't make sense. Its making you directly touch the trigger of the pistol, which is something the people wanting the safety are worred about to begin with (aka a AD) Not to mention if you look at 99% of all the cases of people NDing a glock, it was failure to clear the weapon that was the main reason and not a lack of a safety. I could easily see a person pressing the safety and pulling the trigger without clearing the gun and still have a ND.

Also, on a even more serious note the idea of a push safety on the trigger is very dangerous IMHO when it comes to self defense. You don't put your finger on the trigger until your ready to shoot. Drawing your gun, and putting your finger on the trigger to switch off a safety could have undesireable results when your under stress. I could easily see a ND happening. The only thing that safety design is good for is peace of mind, and even thats dangerous. Your better off following the four rules and getting some training. The glock as shipped is no more dangerous then any other pistol, unless you rely on 15lb triggers/DA only/with manual safties/etc to prevent an act of stupidity instead of common sense.
 
When would you want to disengage the safety on the Glock if you weren't going to shoot it?
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When you need to pull the trigger you need to pull the trigger. For that reason many LE agencies train to take the weapon off safe after drawing or during the draw.
 
IF the Glock design called for a safety, you would want to disengage it during any draw of course, same way that 1911 shooters do it. But since it doesn't...
 
...and the Glock eliminates that step. It still doesn't answer my question.
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Safties are for helping to prevent the trigger from being pulled when its holstered/being holstered, or if something other then a finger gets inside the trigger guard. When you have a weapon drawn with the possibility of shooting there is no reason to have the safety on anymore, regardless of having to shoot or not. You shouldn't have your finger on the trigger until your going to shoot either. If someone distrusts themselves or a gun so much that they will not take it off safe unless they are absolutely going to pull the trigger, then they should invest in training or a different gun.
 
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Thats what I don't understand about people that have a problem with glocks setup. If you need a device that prevents the trigger from being pulled in order to prevent a n/d then you need to invest in training. All of the n/ds that happened because someone pulled the trigger on a loaded gun would likely have not been prevented by a manual safety (since they skipped clearing the chamber anyways). That is unless someone likes to put thier finger on the trigger and relies on the safety to keep them from having a accident (which is a stupid idea).
 
Safties are for helping to prevent the trigger from being pulled when its holstered/being holstered, or if something other then a finger gets inside the trigger guard. When you have a weapon drawn with the possibility of shooting there is no reason to have the safety on anymore, regardless of having to shoot or not. You shouldn't have your finger on the trigger until your going to shoot either. If someone distrusts themselves or a gun so much that they will not take it off safe unless they are absolutely going to pull the trigger, then they should invest in training or a different gun.
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I think that there was a miscommunication somewhere in this thread. I like Glocks. A Glock 19 is my carry and bedside pistol. I have no problems with it and have never felt that it was unsafe.
Throughout this thread, I was asking about what Zignal Zero meant when he said
there will be times when the user wants to dissengage the safety, but does NOT want to fire.
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When is this applicable to a Glock? Never, because you don't disengage the safeties until you begin to pull the trigger, making it a moot point...
 
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