FranklyTodd
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Holy FIVE YEAR old threads, Batman!
Nonetheless, I've pasted two posts of mine together from a thread/argument I had over at the Glock forums after putting the Cominolli on my Glock26. Here they are if anyone is interested. Starts with reasons why, then goes to a range report:
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I won't be drawn into an argument of whether Glock SHOULD have a safety. I like that they don't for those that don't want them, and that one can be easily added. It would be nicer if Glock offered it as a factory option, but the Cominolli is very tried and tested. At least a few LEO agencies installed them for all their guns.
As for why, for me personally, I wanted it? M&P340 is about 3/4" of 10-12lb trigger pull; G26 is 1/2" of 5.5lbs. For me (not you? fine by me), that's too light for me to carry for civilian CCW. I've shot these, and of course a 1911. To me a Glock feel closer to a 1911 without the manual safety - which also should be fine with "trigger discipline" and the "safety between your ears," (heck a 1911 even has a grip safety!) but I don't see too many carrying cocked and unlocked. I tried the NY1 trigger spring before the safety (which makes the pull about 8lb), and it was an improvement (safety-wise, not the feel of the trigger), but with such a short pull and no cylinder rotation/hammer, still didn't feel comfortable. Without the safety, I was carrying the 26 condition 3 (not often - mostly carried the 340). I know people say: carry without one in the chamber for 24 hours (or a few days), and if the trigger isn't back, you are good to go! Well, I intend to carry for 30 more years, if I live that long, and a 24 hour test isn't good enough for me. I've driven my car for almost 25 years without an accident (knock on wood), that doesn't mean I don't wear a seatbelt...
Others will say if Gaston Glock intended a safety... Well, it's not like a thumb safety is a foreign concept, 1911 has had one for 100 years. For me, I have the best of both worlds - a model 1926, or maybe call it a 2611...
A manual safety provides the comfort to me that allows me to carry with one in the chamber, and bringing the gun to bear is a fast, simple, one-hand operation, compared to a two-hand rack, or awkward one-hand rack. It played NO part in my decision, but for those that put stock in "experts" here's some literature, including an article by Massad Ayoob, whom I had never heard of before internet forums, but who gets quoted constantly as an authority. http://www.cominolli.com/readingroom.html
My first autoloader and 20 year gun was a Taurus PT92 DA/SA with manual safety (obviously way pre-dating CCW in Ohio). Turning off the safety is a natural part of my gripping the gun (when readying to fire, of course). I would have loved a similar setup for CCW, but it just doesn't exist in a platform as small, concealable, reliable, and powerful as the G26. I looked!
To be candid, the safety was installed yesterday - I've dry fired it about 3 times so far. I may end up hating it and selling it - I hear they go for a lot with the safety on gunbroker. What I've noticed so far is that a natural gripping motion brings your thumb in contact with top of the safety - I think it will be very natural to sweep it off as part of presentation. I will practice with it for a few weeks and probably 1000rds before I carry it and rely on it for SD. Whatever I end up thinking about it - good or bad - maybe I'll post at that time. If I hate it, I'll sell it and stick with the Smith, or keep looking. A SIG DA/SA without safety, but with long 10lb first pull is intriguing, or an HK USPc var. 1, but both are huge by comparison...
Ok, there's my reasoning. If any disagree, that's completely fine, I am not the safety nazi, and would not seek to convert anyone to my way of thinking. But my way of thinking isn't wrong, it just might be different than yours, and hey, no problem with that!
RANGE REPORT POST:
I know many (most) of you would never put a safety on your Glock, and I totally understand your position, and do NOT seek to change your mind. I personally decided I wanted a subcompact with a manual safety, and that's a very hard thing to find! I explained my reasoning [above].
I finally got out to try my Glock 26 with a Cominolli safety installed, and wanted to give an honest report. I had it installed by Ronnie B at http://www.boomboomtactical.net/. He does some crazy "bling" customization too, for those into that. Good guy, easy to work with.
For those unfamiliar, it looks like this:
On Safe:
Ready to Fire:
First the good: It performed exactly as advertised, no gun-related problems of any kind (admittedly with only 200rds so far - a few hundred more will go through it before I trust it completely). With the safety on, you can rack the slide (convenient for loading/unloading), but not pull the trigger. All the factory safties are still functional. The position of the safety is such that in the process of gripping the gun to fire, your thumb (for a righty) hits it, so sweeping it off will be no problem, and plenty fast. Here's an article by Massad Ayoob about how it affects speed of draw: http://www.cominolli.com/images/AmericanHGart2.pdf
It is fairly easy to turn the safety off with your thumb (but it is tight enough, and there is a "click"); it's actually quite stiff the other way, which is good - would seem to reduce any chance of the safety engaging when you don't want it to.
Also good, for me, is it made carrying with one in the chamber more comfortable. I know the safety is between my ears (if I only had a nickel...), but the safety between my ears works in conjunction with the Caminolli; you can actually have both "safeties" functioning.
The Bad: As you can see from the picture, you must cut (or have someone cut) the frame. This doesn't bother me much with a Glock - I love 'em, but they aren't exactly works of art... If I take it off, it will be perfectly functional, just with that notch. It is also going to wear a line on the frame next to the notch - again, I don't really care.
The only bad thing to me is that the lever is kind of sharp and gets in the way. I haven't decided whether to tuck my thumb under it, or leave my thumb on top of it like some people shoot a 1911. It will take some getting used to, but so far I think it's a keeper. I shot it just as well even with the adjusted grip. It does not impact carry with any of the holsters I have - although I suspect the lever might wear a spot on my Nemesis pocket holster, but I don't use that much anyway.
I can't think what else anyone might like to know - any questions, feel free to ask. Any criticism, feel free, but I've already heard how a Glock is like a revolver (no it's not) about trigger discipline and the safety between my ears, the four rules, how a Glock has never gone off by itself, how Gaston Glock intended it, etc., etc. All fine points, but really, already beat way to death.
To each his own, and safe shooting to all!
FranklyTodd
PS: it's three months or so since adding the safety. Still like it very much, but admittedly carry my M&P340 10X as often.
Nonetheless, I've pasted two posts of mine together from a thread/argument I had over at the Glock forums after putting the Cominolli on my Glock26. Here they are if anyone is interested. Starts with reasons why, then goes to a range report:
Quote on:
I won't be drawn into an argument of whether Glock SHOULD have a safety. I like that they don't for those that don't want them, and that one can be easily added. It would be nicer if Glock offered it as a factory option, but the Cominolli is very tried and tested. At least a few LEO agencies installed them for all their guns.
As for why, for me personally, I wanted it? M&P340 is about 3/4" of 10-12lb trigger pull; G26 is 1/2" of 5.5lbs. For me (not you? fine by me), that's too light for me to carry for civilian CCW. I've shot these, and of course a 1911. To me a Glock feel closer to a 1911 without the manual safety - which also should be fine with "trigger discipline" and the "safety between your ears," (heck a 1911 even has a grip safety!) but I don't see too many carrying cocked and unlocked. I tried the NY1 trigger spring before the safety (which makes the pull about 8lb), and it was an improvement (safety-wise, not the feel of the trigger), but with such a short pull and no cylinder rotation/hammer, still didn't feel comfortable. Without the safety, I was carrying the 26 condition 3 (not often - mostly carried the 340). I know people say: carry without one in the chamber for 24 hours (or a few days), and if the trigger isn't back, you are good to go! Well, I intend to carry for 30 more years, if I live that long, and a 24 hour test isn't good enough for me. I've driven my car for almost 25 years without an accident (knock on wood), that doesn't mean I don't wear a seatbelt...
Others will say if Gaston Glock intended a safety... Well, it's not like a thumb safety is a foreign concept, 1911 has had one for 100 years. For me, I have the best of both worlds - a model 1926, or maybe call it a 2611...
A manual safety provides the comfort to me that allows me to carry with one in the chamber, and bringing the gun to bear is a fast, simple, one-hand operation, compared to a two-hand rack, or awkward one-hand rack. It played NO part in my decision, but for those that put stock in "experts" here's some literature, including an article by Massad Ayoob, whom I had never heard of before internet forums, but who gets quoted constantly as an authority. http://www.cominolli.com/readingroom.html
My first autoloader and 20 year gun was a Taurus PT92 DA/SA with manual safety (obviously way pre-dating CCW in Ohio). Turning off the safety is a natural part of my gripping the gun (when readying to fire, of course). I would have loved a similar setup for CCW, but it just doesn't exist in a platform as small, concealable, reliable, and powerful as the G26. I looked!
To be candid, the safety was installed yesterday - I've dry fired it about 3 times so far.
I may end up hating it and selling it - I hear they go for a lot with the safety on gunbroker. What I've noticed so far is that a natural gripping motion brings your thumb in contact with top of the safety - I think it will be very natural to sweep it off as part of presentation. I will practice with it for a few weeks and probably 1000rds before I carry it and rely on it for SD. Whatever I end up thinking about it - good or bad - maybe I'll post at that time. If I hate it, I'll sell it and stick with the Smith, or keep looking. A SIG DA/SA without safety, but with long 10lb first pull is intriguing, or an HK USPc var. 1, but both are huge by comparison...Ok, there's my reasoning. If any disagree, that's completely fine, I am not the safety nazi, and would not seek to convert anyone to my way of thinking. But my way of thinking isn't wrong, it just might be different than yours, and hey, no problem with that!
RANGE REPORT POST:
I know many (most) of you would never put a safety on your Glock, and I totally understand your position, and do NOT seek to change your mind. I personally decided I wanted a subcompact with a manual safety, and that's a very hard thing to find! I explained my reasoning [above].
I finally got out to try my Glock 26 with a Cominolli safety installed, and wanted to give an honest report. I had it installed by Ronnie B at http://www.boomboomtactical.net/. He does some crazy "bling" customization too, for those into that. Good guy, easy to work with.
For those unfamiliar, it looks like this:
On Safe:
Ready to Fire:
First the good: It performed exactly as advertised, no gun-related problems of any kind (admittedly with only 200rds so far - a few hundred more will go through it before I trust it completely). With the safety on, you can rack the slide (convenient for loading/unloading), but not pull the trigger. All the factory safties are still functional. The position of the safety is such that in the process of gripping the gun to fire, your thumb (for a righty) hits it, so sweeping it off will be no problem, and plenty fast. Here's an article by Massad Ayoob about how it affects speed of draw: http://www.cominolli.com/images/AmericanHGart2.pdf
It is fairly easy to turn the safety off with your thumb (but it is tight enough, and there is a "click"); it's actually quite stiff the other way, which is good - would seem to reduce any chance of the safety engaging when you don't want it to.
Also good, for me, is it made carrying with one in the chamber more comfortable. I know the safety is between my ears (if I only had a nickel...), but the safety between my ears works in conjunction with the Caminolli; you can actually have both "safeties" functioning.
The Bad: As you can see from the picture, you must cut (or have someone cut) the frame. This doesn't bother me much with a Glock - I love 'em, but they aren't exactly works of art... If I take it off, it will be perfectly functional, just with that notch. It is also going to wear a line on the frame next to the notch - again, I don't really care.
The only bad thing to me is that the lever is kind of sharp and gets in the way. I haven't decided whether to tuck my thumb under it, or leave my thumb on top of it like some people shoot a 1911. It will take some getting used to, but so far I think it's a keeper. I shot it just as well even with the adjusted grip. It does not impact carry with any of the holsters I have - although I suspect the lever might wear a spot on my Nemesis pocket holster, but I don't use that much anyway.
I can't think what else anyone might like to know - any questions, feel free to ask. Any criticism, feel free, but I've already heard how a Glock is like a revolver (no it's not) about trigger discipline and the safety between my ears, the four rules, how a Glock has never gone off by itself, how Gaston Glock intended it, etc., etc. All fine points, but really, already beat way to death.
To each his own, and safe shooting to all!
FranklyTodd
PS: it's three months or so since adding the safety. Still like it very much, but admittedly carry my M&P340 10X as often.
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