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This may have been hashed over in the comments on various posts but I just talked to Glock today and wanted to set a few things straight that I have heard online.

As most know the New Gen 4 series of handgun have had a few issues with FTE with some types of ammo. This has been mainly due to the use of the same recoil spring in both the 9mm and the 40 cal models. The spring is just a little too stiff for lower power 9mm loads to cycle properly. Although I have an early G17 Gen4 and have never had a problem with the original unmarked spring. The newest spring replacement for the G17 is a 024. This issue of FTE has been corrected with the new springs and they will be sent to you for no charge. Glock # 1(770) 432-1202

Glock is still making the Gen 3 variant for all models and will continue for the perceivable future. Many may still like the feel of the Gen 3 and this will still be an option for those.

Glock will not be discontinuing the Gen 4 for civilian sale. Gen 4's will not be fazed out and with the new spring are as reliable as Glocks ever have been.

Glock recalled the slide on the G34 due to the need for a larger diameter recoil spring. Nothing was wrong with the slide it self! They redesigned the slide and all new G 34's come with the new slide and spring. G34's that need new slides and springs have the RAE serial number.

The wear, (or what looks like wear) on the G17's and maybe other models, in the polymer in the area of the spring tunnel is purely cosmetic. More room had to be made to allow for the new double captured recoil spring. The polymer that is molded around the slide rails is very thin at a few points and may easily rub off of may not have been there when manufactured. On my G17 I only looked for this after reading about it. At that point I had 500+ rounds through it. Very little polymer was missing and it didn't look like it had been worn off.

I am getting a G34 Gen 4 this week and expect to have as good of success with this new gun as I have with other glocks.

Hope this was helpful.
 
So is the Gen4 34 finally coming out for sure then? I'll be interested in reports on how the recoil impluse compares to the Gen3 34.
 
I guess it has been out for a while, they are just hard to get. Although I called my local dealer and he called his supplier and they had just received two in this morning. Mine will be in tomorrow! I couldn't believe it.

Also in an addendum to the above post: The double recoil spring is not intended to reduce recoil but was designed to provide more consistent and a longer lasting spring. I have always been told it will reduce recoil and it may. This was not the reason given to me by the Glock rep though.
I know a guy with a gen 2 or 3 G34 i'll have to see if he can feel any difference. It may be a few weeks before I shoot with him again.
 
I can get you one if you want it. My dealer will ship one out to your ffl for $775.00
 
I can get you one if you want it. My dealer will ship one out to your ffl for $775.00

Seems kinda high? I found one or two at a local pawn shop for about $520...
 
Not new Gen 4 i'm sure. I figured having the lead on a very hard to get gun might be worth a few bucks ;-)
With tax the gun sells for $681 + 3% for credit card $20 + Shipping $25 for a total of $726 and I get $49 bucks for being a nice guy. ;-)
 
This may have been hashed over in the comments on various posts but I just talked to Glock today and wanted to set a few things straight that I have heard online.

As most know the New Gen 4 series of handgun have had a few issues with FTE with some types of ammo.
Do they mean the people who have FTE with Speer Gold Dots and other defensive loads, not just cheap target ammo?

This has been mainly due to the use of the same recoil spring in both the 9mm and the 40 cal models. The spring is just a little too stiff for lower power 9mm loads to cycle properly. Although I have an early G17 Gen4 and have never had a problem with the original unmarked spring. The newest spring replacement for the G17 is a 024. This issue of FTE has been corrected with the new springs and they will be sent to you for no charge. Glock # 1(770) 432-1202
Some peoples' problems have been fixed by the latest spring, some have not. Some have had to replace extractors and/or ejectors, and even re-profile the face of the ejector to fix their guns. Some have replaced nearly every part in the gun and it still malfunctions.

Glock will not be discontinuing the Gen 4 for civilian sale. Gen 4's will not be fazed out and with the new spring are as reliable as Glocks ever have been.
Not the 9mm versions. In most cases you either get a good one or you don't. In some cases you have to replace defective parts to make the gun work properly.

If Glock considers the various defensive loads like Speer Gold Dot to be weak, they must be shooting SMG ammo as their test ammo for the Gen4 9mm's.

Glock finally found a guide rod that works for the Gen4 G17 and G34, the 0-2-4 guide rod. Now if they can just get their frame rail height, extractor and ejector quality control to be consistent they'll have a good gun.

I doubt their "engineers" even shoot the guns with the design changes they've made. The ambidextrous magazine release in the G21SF looks like a 5 year old drew it up with a crayon. Glock needs to hire back all of the good engineers that they "let go of" in 2004, like Wilhwelm Bubits.
 
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they forget to mention that many of the gen4 probs also stem from out of spec extractors. as for the gen4 34, i wouldn't hold my breadth. i wouldn't put a lot of stock in what the glock phone reps tell you, they generally don't seem to know which way is up.
 
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He (Glock Rep) spoke only to cheap target ammo. But I can see underpowered defense rounds causing problems if the weapon is not handled properly.

Since the best info comes first hand or spoken by those that make the products, I assume that you have some first hand experience with the replacing of extractors and other mods?

This idea of getting a good or a bad one doesn't seem to be a consistent trend. The spring issue (which in my experience really wasn't a problem) was due to poor control of the weapon and lousy/ underpowered ammo. Are we really going to ask glock to test their products with shooters that limp wrist and shoot low power ammo? But they do realize that some of their customers do have poor gun handling skills and some like to shoot the cheap crap ;-) so they have provided a way for them to have a quality weapon as well.
The need to replace a defective part, eg. bad ejector, is not to be lumped in with the spring issue. While I can't speak to their current quality control, the weapons that Glock sells are very high quality.
Again I say that I have shot 100's of rounds through my Gen4 with factory, cheap factory and light and hot handloads and I have never had a problem with the original spring. Remember the Firestone Tires? People in SUV's took corners at 80 and the tires dragged and failed. Use the tool properly and it will work fine.

Also for the sake of accuracy please speak to what you have first hand experienced.
 
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=595762

My Gen3 G27 doesn't malfunction, but ejects erratically and did from day one. I've replaced the extractor, trigger housing w/ ejector, EDP assembly, and guide rod and nothing fixes it. The ejector rubs on the bottom of the slide because the rear frame rails are too low, and the erratic ejection comes from the ejector hitting the casing too high.

My Gen3 G23 doesn't have any problems, it has a test-fire date in 2004 when Glock had real firearm engineers.

But myself and several other people had problems with Glock's newest magazines and had to cut away plastic to make them work properly: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=17567327
http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=14510015
http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1157287

Gen4 9mm extractor replacement: http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1346797

Gen4 9mm ejector modification: http://glocktalk.com/forums/showpost.php?p=17774980&postcount=509
Title of thread is mistakenly labeled "extractor", but talks about ejector modifications: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1363241

Oh and the G30SF issues: http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1062468
 
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http://youtu.be/e5rDSB9JAqo

I just watched this one of his. He took the three weakest ammo types and shot them all without a FTE or any problems of any kind. This was after he had shot about 1200 round though the gun. You must have watched a different video.
 
voyager,

call glock, that's ridiculous. i've read a couple thread about ejectors rubbing.

gaston's 2 sons and daughter have been running the company for a few years now, and the companies' been steadily swirling around the toilet bowl.

gaston no longer takes an active role in the company, he just collects the money now. can't blame him, he's like 87 years old.
 
I just watched this one of his. He took the three weakest ammo types and shot them all without a FTE or any problems of any kind. This was after he had shot about 1200 round though the gun. You must have watched a different video.

he's got several gen4 19 vids. it was his first one. unless he removed the vid, he's one of those weird fanboys that likes a particular gun brand no matter what.
 
...gaston's 2 sons and daughter have been running the company for a few years now...
Running it into the ground. The first thing they did when Gaston handed over executive authority to them was to fire most of the engineers.

About calling Glock, I'm hesitant to. They'll likely want to replace the frame, and it being an OD frame I don't want to give it up. I want to shoot the snot out of it and if it malfunctions as the nickel plating wears off the frame rails and the slide begins to sit even lower on the frame, then I'll consider sending it back.

Don't get me wrong, the people in Smyrna are great. They have to deal with the mistakes of the main company in Austria just like us customers do.
 
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call glock, that's ridiculous.

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I was very pleased with the service I received when I called on a monday morning. I thought I would be on hold for a long time. It was less than 1 min!
It would be a shame if the company is truly going down. They have made some fine weapons. I remember shooting 1000's of rounds with the 2nd gen in the law enforcement academy. Thats when I first realized how great of a gun this was.
I does seem to me that they stand behind what they build.
 
^^try getting them to send you a part under warranty, your opinion of their cust serv will probably change. when i've called about warranty issues, they either sent the wrong parts, or didn't send them at all as promised.

glocks are still my favorite polymers, but i'm not such a fanboy that i turn a blind eye to their indiscretions.
 
I did get the new 024 spring ordered. I'm selling my 17 to my buddy to get the 34. They said it should be here in one to two weeks. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. I'll post a review of the g34 when I get it. I'm sure it will be Glock Perfection!!! ;-)
 
they forget to mention that many of the gen4 probs also stem from out of spec extractors. as for the gen4 34, i wouldn't hold my breadth. i wouldn't put a lot of stock in what the glock phone reps tell you, they generally don't seem to know which way is up.
"Ahh" Glock phone reps? <edit> Glock doesn't have phone reps per se, they have technical/customer service, the guy's you talk to are the same guy's who work on your pistols!

Glock's customer service is bar none, the very best in the industry!
 
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^^ be nice! ;-) Talk about Glock fanboy!!

I called my dealer today and they were able to get ahold of two of them! I guess you just have to know the right people.
 
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