Glock Gen 4 new info

[helitack32f1]

Thanks OP for the info. I for one am happy they are not stopping sales of the Gen 4. Any new Glock I buy will be a Gen 4. I love my Gen 4 G17 and was lucky that, so far, mine is flawless.

 

[VP]

I haven't fired a Gen 4 yet. However here they sell for $579 and $499 for Gen 3. It's kind of a no brainier for me. Gen 3 is the way to go for as long as it is available. I'm hunting a used G19 Gen 3, but new it might be....

 

[coolluke01]

My G34 Gen 4 came in today but alas, I have to wait until friday when my permit to purchase comes in. :-(

 

[coolluke01]

I got my Glock 34 gen 4 today. Very nice gun! I shot about 40 rounds through it with a few friends this afternoon. The gun was right on out of the box. I was printing a 3" group at 35'. I'm sure I could do better than that but for todays test this was good enough. I did have my two girls and a guy shoot it as well. Non of them had fired handguns much before. They had a few FTE or it would eject but not quite load the chamber. This was corrected by firmer grip.
The trigger is very nice and light 4.5 lbs. It did seem to be a touch rough at first but after dry firing it and shooting it this after noon the trigger is nice and crisp now.
So far I am very happy with the gun and the construction.
I am going to a steel action match tomorrow and i'll see how it runs then.
I think i'm going to load up my charges a little bit the 4.5 grns of RedDot might need a little more kick to cycle the gun better.

 

[benoitd]

my store called to tell me that they had received my Glock 34 gen 4 today. I just have to go and pick it up!!! The end of a 4 months wait.

 

[DenaliPark]

glock phone reps don't work on guns. they answer the phone. glock called me for an armorer's job there recently. there's no cust contact involved.

Don't be obtuse! Thats not an insult, it's a word! Glock doesn't have phone reps, they have a receptionist who will gladly connect you with "technicians" who very definitely do work on your pistols!

 

[aliasneo07]

Well, call me crazy but I've lost confidence in Glock. I bought a g19gen3 over two years ago when I turned 21, and then a g21gen3 the following year. 1k rounds through the 21 and 10k through the 19. No malfunctions ever. If I had to buy another Glock, it would not be a Gen 4. And I'm not so sure I'd be as confident in a Gen 3 purchase anymore either. Just my opinion.

 

[voyager4520]

Congrats coolluke and benoitd!

 

[helitack32f1]

Well, call me crazy but I've lost confidence in Glock. I bought a g19gen3 over two years ago when I turned 21, and then a g21gen3 the following year. 1k rounds through the 21 and 10k through the 19. No malfunctions ever. If I had to buy another Glock, it would not be a Gen 4. And I'm not so sure I'd be as confident in a Gen 3 purchase anymore either. Just my opinion.

crazy

 

[coolluke01]

Thanks Voyager. I'm very happy with it. Benoitd you will love it. Let me know how it works for you.

Shot my first steel action match today. The gun shot very well. The Gen 4 17 I had before came back down on target great. This is even better. The longer sight picture does help make accurate shot placements.
I liked the extended slide release, however it took a little bit of work to find a new place for my thumb. I hold both thumbs up next to the slide. The extended slide release sticks out a little bit and I had to place my right thumb a little bit higher. It is probably a better grip anyway. If you don't shoot with your thumbs up next to the slide I would highly recommend it. It helps bring the gun on target faster. All you have to do is point your thumbs at the target!
I had one more failure to feed today. I feel this is due to my light loads. This gun has a larger slide and my light 100 grn bullets and 4.5 of red dot might be a little light. I think i'll go to 124 grn and up the charge a little.
The trigger has smoothed out quite a bit. I lubed it all up good last night. I let a few guys try the trigger and they didn't think they could feel any drag in the trigger. I'm going to have a friend polish the trigger parts this week to clean up the pull. This will provide a broken in trigger without all the rounds.
I really love this gun. I placed 5th today over all and 2nd is a head to head challenge. This was only my second time shooting at a speed shooting comp as I'm very new to steel target shooting. This is my first year. With this gun I was able to able to shoot 6 targets (two shots each) with one reload in 6.6 sec. I hope to be able to improve on that in the future.

 

[coolluke01]

http://cheaperthandirt.com/blog/?p=3977

I found this a helpful article on grips. "The body aims the sights confirm" The say thumbs forward I tend to have mine up a little. To each their own.

 

[coolluke01]

dbl post

 

[Ben86]

I want to shoot the snot out of it and if it malfunctions as the nickel plating wears off the frame rails and the slide begins to sit even lower on the frame, then I'll consider sending it back.

Is that what that silvery stuff that started flaking off about 1000 rounds ago? Interesting. I haven't seen it make a difference on my well used G17. That thing has such a wonderfully worn in trigger, butter smooth and feels like 4 pounds.

The thing I don't like about the new guide rod assemblies is that they are a PITA when putting the slide back on. A friend of mine brought his Gen 4 G22 for me to check out and detail strip/clean it and when trying to put the slide back on the fat recoil assembly kept getting caught. I had to get it jussst right before it would slide back on. My Gen3 assemblies have never given me a moments trouble. I take that back, sometimes the G26 doesn't want to compress when I put it in. I prefer non-captive twin springs instead of that nested crap.

 

[ckone]

Coolluke01, c'mon, put down the kool-aid already... just because your Gen4's happen to work it doesn't mean the zillion others out there having issues are all from weak ammo and limp-wristing.

 

[Apocalypse-Now]

Don't be obtuse! Thats not an insult, it's a word! Glock doesn't have phone reps, they have a receptionist who will gladly connect you with "technicians" who very definitely do work on your pistols!

yeah, and companies don't employ janitors, they have sanitation engineers.

 

[mdauben]

Since the best info comes first hand or spoken by those that make the products

Glock has a vested interest in minimizing the problems with their products. This does not automatically make them liars, but it does call into question their statements when those statements seem to be at odds with large amounts of customer feedback.

The spring issue (which in my experience really wasn't a problem) was due to poor control of the weapon and lousy/ underpowered ammo.

So, customers just suddenly started limp wristing their guns and buying bad ammo when the Gen4 guns came out? Sorry, that just doesn't make sense. Glocks have an long standing reputation as quality, reliable handguns. I own more than one and they are among my favorite handguns but they are all pre-Gen4. If there are suddenly wide-spread problems when Glock does a major redesign of their guns that redesign is the most likely source of the problem.

 

[coolluke01]

Hahaha, but I like cool aid. I know many have had issues. I do think the new system with the stiffer springs has brought to light many problems that some shooters have and it didn't respond well to lighter loads. I'm not a huge Glock fanboy. I like my glocks. I do think the glock gen 4 problems have been blown out of proportion.
I hope that they haven't lost all ability to make handguns! ;-)
They have been a great gun for 30 years. I hope they hold to the great system they have developed.
I truly think that the problems with the Gen 4's have been corrected with the new springs.
I think claiming that zillions or even the majority of Gen 4's are causing problems is very uninformed. I know there have been problems, but to say all Gen 4's are crap is kinda extreme.

 

[NWGlocker]

Although I have an early G17 Gen4 and have never had a problem with the original unmarked spring. The newest spring replacement for the G17 is a 024. This issue of FTE has been corrected with the new springs and they will be sent to you for no charge. Glock # 1(770) 432-1202

Interesting thread. This is the first time I've heard of the 024. Is it meant for both the G17 and G34? Any pics?

I have an 021 recoil spring assembly since the guide ring on my Gen4 G17 doesn't have a bevel/recess. Will give Glock a call tomorrow

 

[voyager4520]

Interesting thread. This is the first time I've heard of the 024. Is it meant for both the G17 and G34? Any pics?

I have an 021 recoil spring assembly since the guide ring on my Gen4 G17 doesn't have a bevel/recess. Will give Glock a call tomorrow

Yes the 0-2-4 is the newest, it's meant for the Gen4 G17 and Gen4 G34.
https://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=17815174 (he doesn't show the number markings)
https://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1360730 (this one doesn't show the numbers either)

 

[JohnBT]

"Are we really going to ask glock to test their products with shooters that limp wrist and shoot low power ammo? "

Does Glock sell guns to the general public? Yes.
Does the general public include people who limp wrist and shoot low power ammo? Yes.

Then yes, they should be testing their products with all of their customers in mind. Seems like a no brainer to me.

 

[grayhambone]

My post

my post on the very very very new glock 21 gen 4

had the 19 gen 4, 26 gen 4, now 21 gen 4

 

[Apocalypse-Now]

The spring issue (which in my experience really wasn't a problem) was due to poor control of the weapon and lousy/ underpowered ammo.

so, you think that having to buy specific ammo to get your pistol to function properly is an "upgrade", when the previous generation functioned fine with anything?

i think you're alone on that sentiment, my friend.

 

[coolluke01]

I think the upgrade was in the double spring that will last much longer and give a more consistent performance over the life of the gun. I was able to shoot anything I wanted in my Gen 4 17 with the original spring. With the new spring you should be able to shoot what ever you want how ever you want. I know people that shoot the 1911. They say they can make their gun malfunction on command. All the have to do is hold it a certain way or use a certain ammo.
When they make cars they don't test the basic functions with 14 year old girls. (I figured that was the demographic that was least likely to attend this form) They test the limits and functions with professionals. They also smash them into walls to see how they hold up as well. But, this thread is not about how glocks have changed and how they can't take a good drop now.
Manufactures spec what type of gas to use in their cars. M-Benz wants only 91 octane gas in their vehicle. This is due to the timing of the engine and the ranges they designed it to operate it at.
I believe that Glock, in an attempt to make a higher preforming weapon, did so at the expense of the ability to eat any type of ammo. A mistake? Yes, I believe so. Did they realize what their customers really want and make the necessary changes. I think so.
I do think the ammo companies need to get with it a little bit and make a more consistent ammo. Yes, but for cost savings I reload my own so it wouldn't really effect me. Dont tell Glock. I would be interested if anyone has pulled a 1000 bullets of a few manufacturers and see what kind of a range of charges they come up with.

 

[ny32182]

No recoil spring is going to last anywhere near "the life of the gun".

There are already aftermarket adapter rods to put gen3 springs in gen4 guns, so if you want to shoot light (match) ammo, you can drop in a 13lb spring just as easily on a Gen4 it seems.

I have a buddy who is supposedly getting a Gen4 34 in this week; looking forward to checking it out.

 

[VP]

"Are we really going to ask glock to test their products with shooters that limp wrist and shoot low power ammo? "

Does Glock sell guns to the general public? Yes.
Does the general public include people who limp wrist and shoot low power ammo? Yes.

Then yes, they should be testing their products with all of their customers in mind. Seems like a no brainer to me.

This is just like Philip Morris likes to test their new cigarette/tobacco products out on non tobacco users. This will give more honest to God reviews.

A great way to test reliability would be to take people with little to no firearms experience and see how it works.