Glock "limp wrist" --- my experience
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Vodoun da Vinci
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I'm not sure as I can't get it to happen to me either *but* my Wife can get my G26 or a G19 to malfunction about 10% of the time....the reason is that her hands are too small to get a proper grip and so her wrist rotates to the left(right handed) ever so slightly to get enough finger on the trigger. Instead of the gun being centered in the web between thumb and forefinger and aligned with the wrist her wrist is "weak" in that it is not locked.
This induces all kinds of malfunctions. If she is told to only use the tip of the finger on the trigger and rotates her wrist accordingly the issue disappears. She did it with her G42 until I shot 4 mags flawlessly and then told her "there's nothing wrong with the gun - it's *you*! Get a grip and shoot it like you mean it!"
She now loves her Glocks and they love her.
VooDoo
This induces all kinds of malfunctions. If she is told to only use the tip of the finger on the trigger and rotates her wrist accordingly the issue disappears. She did it with her G42 until I shot 4 mags flawlessly and then told her "there's nothing wrong with the gun - it's *you*! Get a grip and shoot it like you mean it!"
She now loves her Glocks and they love her.
VooDoo
I have a pre MIM gen 3. There's a huge space between the case rim and the extractor. I'm surprised this affects only half the Glocks you have inspected, lol. (At least the 9mm's. My other calibers aren't nearly as.. unique?)
I mean, it looks like there's no way in hell the extractor is even designed to come close to snugging the case tight against the breechface. I suppose an aftermarket extractor can "fix" that, but it would appear to me that my Glock is designed to work like this. The loose extractor should help ensure reliable feeding. I have owned guns with tight extractors that could hang up out of battery because the case rim gets stuck under the extractor before the round has slid all the way up the breechface.
I know some Glocks have erratic ejection problems, and if that is the case, go ahead and fix it. But I wouldn't fix my Glocks, because it's not a problem.
To the OP, I myself had/have all the same concerns you do with limp wristing. Some guns regardless of brand will malfunction and others wont. My experience has been with some Glocks I can get them to malfunction by limp wrist and some I can't. The same goes for other polymer pistols I've tried this with. I just sell the guns that malfunction and keep the guns that dont, because in my opinion, a gun you can limp wrist and malfunction is unacceptable. I'm sure there are plenty that disagree with this logic but that is how I see it.
Just an experience I had with a G19 that would malfunction when limp wristed, an apex extractor solved the issue. But each gun is different and an apex extractor in one gun might not fix it but it may fix another, they all have their own personality.
Good luck!
Just an experience I had with a G19 that would malfunction when limp wristed, an apex extractor solved the issue. But each gun is different and an apex extractor in one gun might not fix it but it may fix another, they all have their own personality.
Good luck!
To be clear, I never had any concerns. Some other people have, but I have not.
I have four 9mm Glocks. With the recommendations on how to do it the most-wrong from this thread, I'm sure I'll be able to get one of them to malfunction if I try my hardest.
Then I'll put a defensive JHP in and see I can still do it, and go from there.
LouisianaAviator
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Great! Be sure to let us know your results.
LouisianaAviator
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By the laws of physics, any semiautomatic pistol who's weight is less than the recoil spring's strength can be limp wristed. I've seen 1911's limp wristed, I've seen CZ75s limp wristed, and I've seen Beretta 92-type pistols limp wristed.
Glocks, because of their incredibly lightweight frames, are a lot easier to limp wrist with, I would only be concerned if you can get the gun to limp wrist in anything other than trying your hardest to in a totally ridiculous way. I own a Glock 21. I've been able to get it to limp wrist only when purposefully jerking the gun backwards with the recoil while not aligned with my wrist/arm.
Could this happen in a gunfight? Perhaps. So can a lot of other things with any other type or design of firearm.
Big Shrek
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I always thought the term Limp-Wristing was a nice way of saying
that one was too under-muscled or under-sized to utilize it properly...
that one was too under-muscled or under-sized to utilize it properly...
The logical disconnect with saying lightweight Glock frame are a problem is that they have twice the ammo in the double stack mag as other guns.
And since street fight statistics imply there are usually less than three shots fired, then it's not going to be an issue because the gun jammed on the last few rounds.
It's beginning to sound like testing them by beating on them with a baseball bat . . .
If we can study just one poorly done gun fight in Florida for reasons to change our ammo and tactics over the last twenty years, then there should be substantial studies outlining the problems with officers killed in the line of duty by pistols being limpwristed. Unless, of course, it's just a problem on the internet.
And since street fight statistics imply there are usually less than three shots fired, then it's not going to be an issue because the gun jammed on the last few rounds.
It's beginning to sound like testing them by beating on them with a baseball bat . . .
If we can study just one poorly done gun fight in Florida for reasons to change our ammo and tactics over the last twenty years, then there should be substantial studies outlining the problems with officers killed in the line of duty by pistols being limpwristed. Unless, of course, it's just a problem on the internet.
As much as I hate to say this, my father produces a failure every time he picks up a glock. His grip is odd, its like a teacup with a really bent elbow for the strong hand. He then relaxes everything in the arm/wrist/hand to shoot. That gun chokes every time. If I get him to adjust the grip at all the failures stop instantly but he doesn't want to change. Says a gun should work any way you hold it.
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Theohazard
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Maybe he's right, but that's still a terrible way to hold any pistol. His shooting would get exponentially better if he used something even remotely resembling a proper grip and stance.benzy2 said:
Big Shrek
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Military habits are HARD to correct...
they drill them into us well, like a drill
Give him a few training DVD's. Specifically, Jerry Miculek's vids...well worth it.
If that don't fix him, nothing will. Fixed my old Army habits rather quickly...
they drill them into us well, like a drill
Give him a few training DVD's. Specifically, Jerry Miculek's vids...well worth it.
If that don't fix him, nothing will. Fixed my old Army habits rather quickly...
fastbolt
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Not really.
No more than a punch should work and be effective no matter how someone may think they can "make a fist" and swing it.
No more than just holding a baseball bat any way you feel like doing it (golf club, tennis racket) and swinging it should work.
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