Glock, new barrel, no lead, kaboom, no worries HELP??????

[greyling22]

I had a gen 1 g17 that I was shooting lead through (maybe 1000 rounds, cleaned after ever couple hundred) when there was a funny pop, the mag blew out, pressure hit my hand from between the slide and frame and the gun jammed halfway open. the case had blown out at the base. the gun was undamaged, the mag mostly so, (still works) and I was fine, but I went and bought a used lone wolf barrel on gunbroker for cheap. no problems since.

I'd buy the barrel. at 100 bucks, it will pay for itself fast, and fingers are just so hard to replace.

 

[Tilos]

"One must take into consideration the Glock OEM barrel design is optimized"....for FUNCTION and 100% reliability with Nato ammo used for defense.
This equates to a chamber machined on the large side of the tolerance.
An after market barrel made for gun games, with a "tighter" chamber, should be more accurate.
This tighter chamber often leads to chambering "problems" with reload(er's) ammo and many return these barrels to be "opened up", instead of modifying their reloading process.
Lone Wolf is just trying to keep customers happy by offering this, un-necessary, re-chambering service.
Once re-chambered these barrels mostly resembles the OEM Gock barrel that it was bought to replace.

I have a Storm Lake 40 to 9 conversion barral used in a G23.
I have shot 4000 MBC smallball (lead) bullets thru it without a hickup.
Yes, It took a while to get the re-loading adjusted to function/chamber.
I pull the lewis lead remover through the barrel, more out of guilt than need.
Yes, the Storm Lake barrel has a tight chamber, but I work with it.

Many buy an after market barrel, reload cases that have the glock bulge(ie. guppy belly cases, pregnant cases, etc.), bigger diameter lead bullets and are befuddled when they won't chamber.
Note: There are about 20x more glocks out there than all the other simular guns combined.

 

[ljnowell]

"One must take into consideration the Glock OEM barrel design is optimized"....for FUNCTION and 100% reliability with Nato ammo used for defense.
This equates to a chamber machined on the large side of the tolerance.
An after market barrel made for gun games, with a "tighter" chamber, should be more accurate.
This tighter chamber often leads to chambering "problems" with reload(er's) ammo and many return these barrels to be "opened up", instead of modifying their reloading process.
Lone Wolf is just trying to keep customers happy by offering this, un-necessary, re-chambering service.
Once re-chambered these barrels mostly resembles the OEM Gock barrel that it was bought to replace.

I have a Storm Lake 40 to 9 conversion barral used in a G23.
I have shot 4000 MBC smallball (lead) bullets thru it without a hickup.
Yes, It took a while to get the re-loading adjusted to function/chamber.
I pull the lewis lead remover through the barrel, more out of guilt than need.
Yes, the Storm Lake barrel has a tight chamber, but I work with it.

Many buy an after market barrel, reload cases that have the glock bulge(ie. guppy belly cases, pregnant cases, etc.), bigger diameter lead bullets and are befuddled when they won't chamber.
Note: There are about 20x more glocks out there than all the other simular guns combined.
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Sorry, but the old line of "You just dont know how to reload doesnt jive. I have taken loaded rounds that pass a case gauge test and will chamber in a Les Baer, Infinity, and Yost Custom 1911s that will not chamber in a LoneWolf barrel. I guess that the 5K dollar 1911s that are advertised as having top of the line match barrels are a little sloppy compared to the LoneWolf barrel that cost 100 bucks? I dont think so.

They make them tight, and with a short leade, thats plain and simple. I have had plenty of aftermarket barrels for pistols that do not have that issue. Thats a lonewolf thing.

 

[kestak]

Greetings,

I can't give details for security reasons. A local "security firm" uses Glock 17 as sidearms for the security detail. The training guns have a barrel change every 4000 rounds because they had too many issues barrels in the past. The sidearms while on guard duty have been fired only enough to guarantee the perfect functionment.

BTW, they do the same thing with their M4. They have M4 for training, M4 for patrolling, M4 for shooting blanks....

Anyway, I am just the messenger and I am not bashing Glock. We have thousands of LEO who own their life to their Glock.

oh! Last word: I learned from experience one thing: ALWAYS LISTEN TO RCMODEL. Sometimes I don't understand perfectly what he says, but darn, when I get it, he is on point and right... and of course, I bang my head on the wall thinking how stupid I was not to get his explanation right away. :banghead:

Thank you

 

[LiveLife]

This tighter chamber often leads to chambering "problems" with reload(er's) ammo and many return these barrels to be "opened up", instead of modifying their reloading process.
Lone Wolf is just trying to keep customers happy by offering this, un-necessary, re-chambering service.
Once re-chambered these barrels mostly resembles the OEM Gock barrel that it was bought to replace

If you drop in factory new ammunitions into Lone Wolf barrels, they should freely fall in with a "clink". If they don't, I would certainly call LWD and talk to them about barrel chamber specs - I am sure IF the barrel chamber specs are too tight, they'll happily correct the issue.

I have shot several tens and thousands of jacketed/plated/Moly/lead reloads through several Lone Wolf barrels and I shoot them "stock and unmodified" from LWD. I load 9mm RN to 1.10" - 1.125" OAL and 40S&W TCFP to 1.125" OAL. I have setup several new reloaders (Pro 1000s) the past year using Lee carbide dies and was able to adjust the sizing, flaring and taper crimp/seating dies during the setup so that all the rounds went "clink" into the stock unmodified Lone Wolf barrels in 9mm and 40S&W. These loads were shot in various makes and models of pistols without feeding/chambering issues (Glocks, M&Ps, XDs, HKs, Sigs, CZs, Berettas, etc.).

I tell other reloaders who bought Lone Wolf barrels to first drop in their full-length sized cases into the Lone Wolf barrels. If the cases fall right in to the LW barrels but they later have feeding/chambering issues with their finished reloads, it is due to THEIR flaring/taper crimping/bullet seating steps and not the barrels' chambers tightness.

As to LWD offering re-machining services, it is due to some reloaders wanting to shoot particular bullet nose profiles with longer than typical OALs.

 

[ljnowell]

If you drop in factory new ammunitions into Lone Wolf barrels, they should freely fall in with a "clink". If they don't, I would certainly call LWD and talk to them about barrel chamber specs - I am sure IF the barrel chamber specs are too tight, they'll happily correct the issue.

I have shot several tens and thousands of jacketed/plated/Moly/lead reloads through several Lone Wolf barrels and I shoot them "stock and unmodified" from LWD. I load 9mm RN to 1.10" - 1.125" OAL and 40S&W TCFP to 1.125" OAL. I have setup several new reloaders (Pro 1000s) the past year using Lee carbide dies and was able to adjust the sizing, flaring and taper crimp/seating dies during the setup so that all the rounds went "clink" into the stock unmodified Lone Wolf barrels in 9mm and 40S&W. These loads were shot in various makes and models of pistols without feeding/chambering issues (Glocks, M&Ps, XDs, HKs, Sigs, CZs, Berettas, etc.).

I tell other reloaders who bought Lone Wolf barrels to first drop in their full-length sized cases into the Lone Wolf barrels. If the cases fall right in to the LW barrels but they later have feeding/chambering issues with their finished reloads, it is due to THEIR flaring/taper crimping/bullet seating steps and not the barrels' chambers tightness.

As to LWD offering re-machining services, it is due to some reloaders wanting to shoot particular bullet nose profiles with longer than typical OALs.

And thats the real bear. Mine wouldnt do that. It would choke on factory rounds too.

 

[LiveLife]

And thats the real bear. Mine wouldnt do that. It would choke on factory rounds too.

How long ago did you buy your barrel? LW barrels bought the past several years did not have any feeding/chambering problems.

And did LWD re-machine or replace the barrel? Free of charge, right?

 

[ljnowell]

How long ago did you buy your barrel? LW barrels bought the past several years did not have any feeding/chambering problems.

And did LWD re-machine or replace the barrel? Free of charge, right?
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I bought mine in the spring of 08 and the fall of 08. two different ones. I am not bashing them at all, its just something to be mentioned that it does seem to happen with them more than others. Yes they did, and they also picked up the return shipping.

 

[Tilos]

ljnowell:
Thanks for reading my post, and responding.
Sorry to hear your experiences differ from mine and it could just time that we did this was different.
I went back and re-read your other posts and realized you problem was with 45ACP LWB and I think this discussion is mainly 9mm talk.

The barrel I'm loading for is the only case gage I ever use.

Some reloaders shoot and some shooters reload.

 

[Hangingrock]

Since some of my wording is being used by others a clarification. Optimize is in reference to the polygon rifling style employed by Glock OEM barrels with jacketed bullet usage. As for the chamber basic (dimensions/tolerances/measurements) on Glock OEM barrels there appears to be a misconception for 9mm-Luger and 45ACP chambering’s. (I do not own or use pistols for the 40-S&W or 357-SIG)

Frist the 45ACP a random selection of (7) barrels from S&W, Colt, Springfield, Glock, and BarSto chamber dimensions were measured. The Glock OEM barrel chamber was not dimensionally the largest. Case support the Glock OEM was marginally less than the OEM barrels of (2) 1911 manufactures and more measurable unsupported area than the other manufactures. Fired case fit completely interchangeable between the (7) barrels. There was unsupported case area for each barrel examined.

Now the 9mm-Luger comparing (2) Glock OEM barrels and (1) S&W-MP OEM barrel there were no fired case fit interchange problems between the two Glock pistols and the one S&W-MP. The Ammunition employed standard P, +P, and +P+ of various manufactures. With out measuring it would appear that my examples of Glock and the example S&W are dimensionally comparable within an acceptable tolerance range. The cases were reloaded several times on a Dillon SDB and there were no chambering issues between the Glock pistols and the S&W pistol.

As for after market barrels I have a preference for BarSto and or KKM Precision. I’ll admit that my personal experience is limited with Lone Wolf. For an advertised drop in barrel the LW required more than minor fitting which was nettlesome. As for tight chambers that may or may not be a quality control issue. Example reamers don’t become larger thru use rather the opposite is true