CountGlockula
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A Glock 35; same length of a 1911.
Is there a good compromise between Glock and 1911?
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dontshakepandas
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+1 on the M&P.
burningsquirrels
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the new XD-45 does for 2008.
dontshakepandas
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My M&P has a thumb safety.
Now you have seen one
Now you have seen one
KBintheSLC
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A Sig is a good compromise. They are as reliable as Glocks, but have the grip angle and feel that is closer to a 1911.
My M&P has a thumb safety. Now you have seen one
That I have…I come looking for information, not affirmation!
(At’s why I didn’t drop the “you’re full of ****" bomb on ya!)
BTW…I assume that’s a factory thumb safety? I did a quick look/see at Smith & Wesson’s site before making my last post and saw no thumb safeties in any pix, and looked at a few “Features” pdfs and saw no mention made of thumb safeties (did see mention of an optional magazine safety for LE/Government).
Now that I’ve taken a second look, I see the 45 thumbnail (in the dark earth brown only, ONLY in the LE section) shows a picture of a thumb safety, but when you download the features pdf it’s not there and no mention made of it!
So what’s the story on your thumb safety? Does it come only on the 45, and is it special order?
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lazyeye
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Thumb safeties suck, trigger safeties and backstrap safeties are good.
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Anyways, if you want a compromise, put a list together of what properties you want in the gun.
For example:
Polymer frame
.45cal
Thumb safety
Double stack
Single Action trigger
Now, take those properties and look around, theres PROBABLY already a gun that fits that description.
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Anyways, if you want a compromise, put a list together of what properties you want in the gun.
For example:
Polymer frame
.45cal
Thumb safety
Double stack
Single Action trigger
Now, take those properties and look around, theres PROBABLY already a gun that fits that description.
dontshakepandas
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The thumb safety is only an option on the .45 models. I believe on the pdf the thumb safety is actually listed under the internal lock section. The DE colored guns all have a thumb safety, and black models are available with or without them. I got mine with the thumb safety, as there are times I would rather have it, and times I would rather not, and it is very easy to remove.
Is this going to be your self defense gun?
Have you shot many different semiauto handguns?
Did you have good success with any of them as far as accuracy goes?
If the answer to the first question is "yes" and the second is "no" then it is best to talk about basics instead of make/model. If the answer to the second question is "yes" then look for a gun with the features you want in that "family".
The "basics" are, fit the gun to you and not you to the gun and pick a gun that goes "BANG" when you want it to. Fit means find a gun that has a grip angle that allows you to point the gun naturally so that the sights come right up to your eye properly aligned without having to change your grip or adjust the angle of your wrist. Find one that has a comfortable reach to the trigger and has a grip width that doesn't require you to throw your wrist out of alignment with your forearm to point the gun at the target. Find out what grip angle/reach/width fits You, then you can find what steel/poly gun has the features you want. Then you can look at reliability and ability to feed ammo.
If it turns out you point a CZ better than a 1911/XD/M&P you'll find that you will be comfortable shooting heavier recoil ammo out of it than a gun that doesn't fit you as well. If the Glock fits better than the CZ, the same applies. If you don't like any of those, look at the newer generation of handguns with interchangeable backstraps that allow you to alter the grip angle to fit You. Guns like the M&P, new XDs, even the Walther may give you the fit and features you want.
No one make/model of gun is "the right gun" for everyone. Make sure it fits you and you're gun will be right for You.
BTW, I fit the BHP best of all, but the 1911 is close enough that I've retrained my body to shoot it naturally and I'm thinking about a new poly pistol that has the grip angle of the 1911 to replace my old P12 (which has had 10,000 rounds through it without a hiccup).
Have you shot many different semiauto handguns?
Did you have good success with any of them as far as accuracy goes?
If the answer to the first question is "yes" and the second is "no" then it is best to talk about basics instead of make/model. If the answer to the second question is "yes" then look for a gun with the features you want in that "family".
The "basics" are, fit the gun to you and not you to the gun and pick a gun that goes "BANG" when you want it to. Fit means find a gun that has a grip angle that allows you to point the gun naturally so that the sights come right up to your eye properly aligned without having to change your grip or adjust the angle of your wrist. Find one that has a comfortable reach to the trigger and has a grip width that doesn't require you to throw your wrist out of alignment with your forearm to point the gun at the target. Find out what grip angle/reach/width fits You, then you can find what steel/poly gun has the features you want. Then you can look at reliability and ability to feed ammo.
If it turns out you point a CZ better than a 1911/XD/M&P you'll find that you will be comfortable shooting heavier recoil ammo out of it than a gun that doesn't fit you as well. If the Glock fits better than the CZ, the same applies. If you don't like any of those, look at the newer generation of handguns with interchangeable backstraps that allow you to alter the grip angle to fit You. Guns like the M&P, new XDs, even the Walther may give you the fit and features you want.
No one make/model of gun is "the right gun" for everyone. Make sure it fits you and you're gun will be right for You.
BTW, I fit the BHP best of all, but the 1911 is close enough that I've retrained my body to shoot it naturally and I'm thinking about a new poly pistol that has the grip angle of the 1911 to replace my old P12 (which has had 10,000 rounds through it without a hiccup).
And just when I was trying to keep it High Road!
Well there ya go-just when I was trying to keep it HR and not drop the "you're full of ****" bomb on him! :banghead:
Then again, I never professed to be young enough to know it all...
I rather enjoy my thumb safeties, thankyouverymuch!
I'm jest gonna toss the "thumb safeties suck" in with the rest of my knee jerk reaction file...you know:
1. I need a trigger job
2. Guns don't need no stinkin' safety
3. Magazine safeties suck (read Ayoob's take on magazine safeties fer another point of view)
4. Light rails suck
5. Glock is KING (HANDS DOWN or PERIOD)!
I'm sure there are others in there...
Well there ya go-just when I was trying to keep it HR and not drop the "you're full of ****" bomb on him! :banghead:
Then again, I never professed to be young enough to know it all...
I rather enjoy my thumb safeties, thankyouverymuch!
I'm jest gonna toss the "thumb safeties suck" in with the rest of my knee jerk reaction file...you know:
1. I need a trigger job
2. Guns don't need no stinkin' safety
3. Magazine safeties suck (read Ayoob's take on magazine safeties fer another point of view)
4. Light rails suck
5. Glock is KING (HANDS DOWN or PERIOD)!
I'm sure there are others in there...
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lazyeye
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^That WAS my knee jerk reaction. Then I stated my less kneed jerk opinion.
Bill2e
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The thumb safty was put on the .45 because that is what the Military wants & the gun was to be submited to the Military for test (as well as other brands)
burningsquirrels
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contracts usually specify a manual safety.
Hunter0924
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Roman2in I have had not had any trouble with my Colts for sure with any feeding issues and maintenance is not bad at all but I have also shot several other "1911s" that also gave me the same reliability such as Springfield and Para.
The current AO are also nice pistols.
I believe there are many manufacturers of quality "1911s" that work great. Colt just happens to be my favorite.
"1911s" do not require any more maintenance than any other pistol and built correctly they will work and feed anything from JHP to LSWCs.
The current AO are also nice pistols.
I believe there are many manufacturers of quality "1911s" that work great. Colt just happens to be my favorite.
"1911s" do not require any more maintenance than any other pistol and built correctly they will work and feed anything from JHP to LSWCs.
The Lone Haranguer
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The SAO version of the SIG P220.
CZ75 (9mm or .40) or 97B (.45). The manual safety models allow for cocked-and-locked carry or double-action first shot.
S&W M&P.
CZ75 (9mm or .40) or 97B (.45). The manual safety models allow for cocked-and-locked carry or double-action first shot.
S&W M&P.
jad0110
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True and true. I would also add that bad mags usually are to blame in most cases. And most of those just need stiffer mag springs, such as my stock Springfield Armory/MetalForms. My 1911 was one of those that just needed a tad of tweaking to run perfectly: Wolff 11 lb mag springs, Wilson Combat Bulletproof extractor and 200 rounds to break her in. Likes all ammo I've fed it, except cheap 230 grain Blaser CCI FMJ. And I am rewarded with a pistol that points better than any other auto in my hands.
It's been said that part of the reason for the 1911's reputation for unreliability is due to their being dozens of manufactures, many of which don't know how to build a 1911 correctly. I'm sure if you had 34 different companies making Glocks under license, with many straying from the original design specs, you'd have a quite a few more Glock lemons.
In the end, if you are concerned about 1911 reliability you can always go with a company with an excellent customer service reputation. Springfield Armory is at or near the top. I've also heard that Rock Island Armory and Smith & Wesson are pretty good too.
Oh, and yes, the CZ-75s are very nice pistols to ... I would certainly give them consideration.
BlindJustice
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Oh Goody a Zealot mosh pit.... I'll go read the whole thread
and then dive right in there....
Wait for me, oh, you need some paper towells as
the froth spittle is dripping out on your chin as
you try to convert more and more disciples to the one
True <fill in your choice>
I'll be back...
and then dive right in there....
Wait for me, oh, you need some paper towells as
the froth spittle is dripping out on your chin as
you try to convert more and more disciples to the one
True <fill in your choice>
I'll be back...
jhco
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usp 45
BlindJustice
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I'd like to remind Glock guys who must think everybody must know the
size frame and calliber - we don't your simplistifc
GLOCK NN tells me nothing my shooting buddy has a 19 so oh,it's a 9MM
Later he showed me a 17 at a Gun SHow oh,99MM and FULL size, I thought it freaking huge
I have no idea what the heck calilber the others are so why don't ya'll state something like,
Glock 17 Full SIze 9mm LUger. zat too much to ask?
You might educate the unwashed masses.
rant off.
I've shot the 19
Don't like
Trigger as well as striker fired one chance
Grip angle
mag release
sights
Like
the front grip shape
it is accurate
the SHow Stopper is the plastic magazine. The Seals found
the aluminum with plastic coating would not hold up
in the salt borne environment.
size frame and calliber - we don't your simplistifc
GLOCK NN tells me nothing my shooting buddy has a 19 so oh,it's a 9MM
Later he showed me a 17 at a Gun SHow oh,99MM and FULL size, I thought it freaking huge
I have no idea what the heck calilber the others are so why don't ya'll state something like,
Glock 17 Full SIze 9mm LUger. zat too much to ask?
You might educate the unwashed masses.
rant off.
I've shot the 19
Don't like
Trigger as well as striker fired one chance
Grip angle
mag release
sights
Like
the front grip shape
it is accurate
the SHow Stopper is the plastic magazine. The Seals found
the aluminum with plastic coating would not hold up
in the salt borne environment.
BlindJustice
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I have a S&W 1911 5" Bbl. stainless steel
Same tyhpe gun I carried in the USN on Duty
it's manual of arms is second nature & I qualified for the ribbon
I also have a CZ 75B 9MM - recent acquisition as a range gun, but
it's 100% reliable after 500 rds, very accurate, I like the trigger for an out
of the box service pistol, the sights are three white dots like my S&W 1911
AND it has a nice full length serrated rib along the slide. DA first shot makes the first shot not an uncertain event, if I want to pause I can put the thumb
safety on, or carry cocked and locked if I want to - I like the back strap curves without the grip safety.
Next CZ will be a .40 S&W of some sort, undecided.
Whatever y'all like is fine with me - I don't have to carry or shoot your
cjhoice but I respect your decision
Randall
Same tyhpe gun I carried in the USN on Duty
it's manual of arms is second nature & I qualified for the ribbon
I also have a CZ 75B 9MM - recent acquisition as a range gun, but
it's 100% reliable after 500 rds, very accurate, I like the trigger for an out
of the box service pistol, the sights are three white dots like my S&W 1911
AND it has a nice full length serrated rib along the slide. DA first shot makes the first shot not an uncertain event, if I want to pause I can put the thumb
safety on, or carry cocked and locked if I want to - I like the back strap curves without the grip safety.
Next CZ will be a .40 S&W of some sort, undecided.
Whatever y'all like is fine with me - I don't have to carry or shoot your
cjhoice but I respect your decision
Randall
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