that's what i like about xdm, good for small hands similar to 1911
Glocks...Should I buy into the ugliness??
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helitack32f1
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this is why God invented the Gen 4 Glocks. Try handling a Gen 4 compact model and you may change your mind about the grip.
Glocks also have a different grip angle which is why some have problems with them shooting high. It is just simply a training issue. Lots of safe dry fire and it won't be a problem. If a person had only ever shot a Glock then if they suddenly picked up a 1911, they would probably always shoot low.
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Why should you limit yourself to a ugly tool when you can get a better looking tool that works just as good?
Cactus Jack Arizona
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Their new motto should be: Ah Glock, A face that only a mother could love. 
1stmarine
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Are you looking for collection or for functionality?
gen4 is still bigger and has longer trigger distance than xdm, even with smallest backstrap
also experts will tell you pick a gun which you can point naturally without "trainning", since that's what you will use when you face deadly threat
if xdm points natually like a 1911, look prettier, as solid as glock, why stick with glock?
i know glock fans have spent lots of $$$ on glocks already and gun shooters are naturally more "defensive" types, but for anyone looking to get a new gun, you don't have to buy into the ugliness!
The Reverend
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Who says the 1911 is a "natural" pointer??? Most target and competition pistols have an even greater grip angle than the Glock and there are some popular models that share a similar profile (Ruger, Luger, etc.).
Most of this stuff is muscle memory which comes with familiarity that is bred in training... which our friend here says we don't need so long as we find a gun that points naturally. Grip angle has little to nothing to do with that issue... grip size however does. Folks with medium to smallish hands are going to gravitate to a single stack semi-auto over a double in most cases... which is but one reason why the 1911 has such a loyal following, as it should.
The XD/XDm models do have a similar grip angle to the 1911 sure but the Croatian sensation is muddled by several issues that the Glock platform is not. Face it, this is a subjective issue that has been beat to death on this and other forums. I have 1911s, Sigs, Glocks, S&Ws, and even some revolvers in the mix. The goal is to be proficient with them all. This mine is better than yours garbage remains a endless charade...
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helitack32f1
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Well I guess Glock is lucky that none of the police agencies that employ Glocks have any "experts" on hand to tell them not to buy Glocks.
All guns need to be practiced or "trained" with to be competent. Probably more so with a gun that is covered with levers, switches and buttons and multiple safeties etc. like the blessed XDM as opposed to the Glock which you just have to point and shoot.
I personally find the XDM to be ugly. Now, I know XdM fans have spent lots of $$$ on XDM's and gun shooters are naturally more "defensive " types, but for anyone looking to get a new gun, you don't have to buy into their ugliness either.
Just out of curiosity, If the XDM is superior, then why do most police agencies have Glocks and those switching away from Glocks are getting just about anything except XD series guns?
helitack32f1
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Nicely said Rev.
Yep.
Glock has it's share of fanbois. But that's not what makes it the most common pistol in competitive action shooting.
1911 is also popular in competitive shooting... because of the fanbois. Without such arbitrary divisions as "Custom Defensive Pistol" or "Limited 10," that create artificial benefits for the 1911, a lot of the fanbois would sit at home and cry in their beer.
When it comes to grip angle, there's comfortable to hold, and there's quicker to shoot. Kinda like a racing motorcycle. Sure, it's not as comfy as the chromed out cruiser when sitting on it in the showroom. But the ergos are perfect (and faster) around the track.
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so we agree grip size/trigger distance matters? xdm is quite a bit smaller than glock, end of the story, i happened to have smaller hands that's what i pointed out to the small hand guy, what's to dispute here?
grip angle matters maybe just me, when you are in danger you hardly have time to get sight picture but more likely point and shoot, if the angle is more natural for you (without the 3000 times trainning), why not? what's to dispute here?
everything else equal, i'd prefer the one that i think looks better, lots of ppl agree glocks are ugly (unnecessarily), otherwise there's won't be many posts talking about looks.
as about why LE use glock, simple, glock works and is cheap and get to the market at the right time, LE don't have time/budget to change weapon everytime there's new weapons available even if they are better, that doesn't mean all handguns came after glock are worse than glock simply because LE keep using glock, heck LE used 6 round revolver for so long when all the semi-auto were available, do you think those revolver were better than 1911/sig etc.? read a bit about LE weapon history that's quite interesting instead of using this as some kind of bullet proof vest for glocks which is just funny
grip angle matters maybe just me, when you are in danger you hardly have time to get sight picture but more likely point and shoot, if the angle is more natural for you (without the 3000 times trainning), why not? what's to dispute here?
everything else equal, i'd prefer the one that i think looks better, lots of ppl agree glocks are ugly (unnecessarily), otherwise there's won't be many posts talking about looks.
as about why LE use glock, simple, glock works and is cheap and get to the market at the right time, LE don't have time/budget to change weapon everytime there's new weapons available even if they are better, that doesn't mean all handguns came after glock are worse than glock simply because LE keep using glock, heck LE used 6 round revolver for so long when all the semi-auto were available, do you think those revolver were better than 1911/sig etc.? read a bit about LE weapon history that's quite interesting instead of using this as some kind of bullet proof vest for glocks which is just funny
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I used to have a Glock 17, one of the first ones, twenty years ago. It would fire every time, with any kind of bullets and loads. I rarely cleaned it, dropped it a couple times on the concrete.. Always worked just fine. I reloaded many thousands of rounds with all kinds of lead bullets. Didn't know you weren't supposed to do that! The barrel did get leaded badly, until I bought some mercury and filled it up to the brim, left it overnight, et voila! Clean bore. I have seen people reloading the 9mm to major in IPSC shooting, sometimes primers flattened like pancakes, never saw one blow up. Now, I would get either a Glock 36 in 45acp or a model 19, 9mm compact. The other cartridge offerings in my opinion are a bit too hot. As for the look, the bad guy breaking into your house is not going to say "Oh, that's a pretty gun you have here!" and that Glock is going to fire every time you press that trigger. That's what matters..
limbkiller
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I might buy a glock someday but I have more guns I want before I buy something that ugly. Good guns that go bang when they are used properly. Still 1911s, S&W revolvers, and other guns are beautiful so why buy a glock unless you need a throw away gun.
amd6547
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How moronic is this thread going to get before it gets closed....Glock as..."throwaway gun". Please close this thread now.
Browns Fan
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I am kinda like a glock, not much to look at but highly functional!
The Glock is a natural shooter for me, and so is the 1911. i picked my first 1911 up 50 years ago and shot it well, same withe the glock in 1993, when i got my first 23. I also did similar with all snub nose revolvers, which some people like to own but hate to shoot. The xd didn't have the same allure for me. I had the first sub-compact in 9mm, and got rid of it right away. It's not a bad gun, but doesn't do anything better than all of the guns it tries to emulate. If it was the only one around I would use it, but I will take a 19, 26, or a 30 any day over any xd.
1stmarine
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LOL! picture this situation.....
hold on one second criminal! look how beautiful my pistol is before I pull this little trigger! It jams a lot but sure is nice!! What do you think? LOL
I want all my systems to be butugly and the bullets even uglier. ....and really mean.
LOL
The Reverend
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The obsession with how a sidearm looks must be driven by something... My guess is that some of these guys are spending too much time in the mirror seeing what they look like holding their "cool" looking guns.
Sad.
Sad.
1stmarine
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Reverend,
Yes. Like Rober de Niro in Taxi driver.
AR U takin to me?! eh?!
LOL!
Yes. Like Rober de Niro in Taxi driver.
AR U takin to me?! eh?!
LOL!
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The difference in polymer guns is so small it's ridiculous to say one looks better than the other. They're all black polymer guns with black slides. Now I can understand if somebody said they like how a 1911 looks over a polymer. or maybe even a bi-tone polymer but from 10yds or more away you won't be able to tell if someone his holding a glock or an m&p I promise you.
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