Glovebox Gun Ideas

[ForumSurfer]

Sometime I am forced to "leave it in the car." It sucks because it can be stolen. I can't turn around and go home every time I need to disarm. Sometimes I get called into work for an emergency, sometimes I need to stop by a government building, some stores I frequent are posted no cww, and sometimes I end up going to a hospital or doctor's office with my son that is a "learning hospital" considered an extension of some med school (in some cases I actually am required to park "off campus" to be legal). Now I could go back home to disarm, but I live 15 miles out of town. I could avoid stores that ban ccw out of principal, but times are tight and I am forced to shop where I get the best deals. I could also just leave it at home from now on since I can't carry everywhere I go during the day.

That being said, I carry a glock 19 on days that I know I may be forced to leave it in the truck. It's in a lockbox, but that really doesn't matter. I was out of town this weekend (at a hyatt in charlotte with a well lit, highly visible parking lot, in a nice section of town next to a bank with parking lot cameras) when the suv next to me had has windows broken out and a lock box stolen, as well as a dozen other vehicles. All in all, it's a risk if it isn't in your holster on your hip...but sometimes it has to be done and when it does I take my g19.

 

[Kingofthehill]

I got a Police Trade in Glock 23 .40cal for $250 +tax at a gun show.

It is my "Truck" Gun.

JOe

 

[akadave]

Aceokey Really? All you are worried about is the insurance? How about a gun that is now in a criminals hands that was YOUR responsibility? Thats a heck of an attitude. My insurance deductable is $500 for stuff stolen from my vehicle so...strike two.

How about that other option the one where I suggest a lock box in the car? Read fully then comment.

 

[Kingofthehill]

Oh, i should also mention.

My wife carries a Ruger P95, when she started carrying she would have to leave it in the car sometimes. At a shopping center last Christmas (not allowed to carry there and something she got me couldn't be found elsewhere) her grand cherokee got broken into. First thing she did was check to see if her gun was still in the car.

She hid it in a tampon box in her back seat.

It worked, and the P95 was still there. We have since mounted a handgun safe in both of our vehicles and use that, but she was pretty smart with the tampon box.

JOe

 

[akadave]

changed

 

[Allentown]

Rarely left in car. Had one stolen while at work in Chapel hill once, never again.

It goes into my lap top bag, into work with me, then into the hotel room or into my home. If im going to a public event like a movie or shopping, its left at home (except for maybe a short shopping trip like the auto parts store or something). If im hiking or camping its on me the whole time in a fanny pack. (might get locked in truck long enough for me to shower and with other people at my camp sight) If im just going to eat i might lock it in the car but i usually sit where i can watch the car the whole time. If im at my girl friends house for the night it goes in with me.

Also its usually in a shoulder beach bag looking thing that you would find over night clothes/ or sun lotion/beach towel supplies....(the LEAST "still me" looking thing i could possibly think of). Also in that bag is ear protection, targets, the cleaning kit etc.....If i have have a run in with law enforcement its "im going to the range after work"..and boom...totally legal to have for that purpose. Additionally..its nice to have all that with me for all the times when i DO SUDDENLY decide to go shooting spur of the moment (double purpose).

If i need something smaller to carry it in.i have a nike brand lunch bag that it fits into perfectly and a day planner that it can ride in...always within reach from my desk or in my car pretty much....yet i dont actually "carry it" no holster to worry with ..no printing, no back pain, no issues in the rest room, no issues with any legalities (for the most part).


The result is i dont have it for "quick draw" 100% of my exsistence but i do have it for "reach and get out" about 80% of my exsistence...with a whole lot less head ache.

 

[Dr_2_B]

Kingofthehill, that's an amazing buy on a G23. Even with that low price-tag, I don't believe I'd make it a car-gun. I believe I'd count my blessings, consider the gun to be a $400 gun that I practically stole and I'd add a CZ82 or something.

Strange.... I bought a Makarov to use as a car-gun a few years back, but I liked it so much I keep it in the safe in stead.

 

[akadave]

I was talking to some instuctors about CCW. They basically said that the way the law is now, there are few places that you cannot carry as long as you are fully aware of the limitations. Like when you are in a restaurant with a bar. You cannot traverse the bar with a CCW nor can you drink any alcohol...then you are good ( In the state of AK at least). As for establishments that post that no weapons are allowed. If you are dumb enough that someone sees your CCW they kick you out simple as that. There are other laws for sure but knowing them and following them is part of the process. Im by no means the final word

 

[Kingofthehill]

Kingofthehill, that's an amazing buy on a G23. Even with that low price-tag, I don't believe I'd make it a car-gun. I believe I'd count my blessings, consider the gun to be a $400 gun that I practically stole and I'd add a CZ82 or something.

Thanks. I was very happy with the deal. The same guy had a Steyr M9 (pre A1) for $250 as well!.. i bought them both that day, lol.

 

[Aceoky]

Aceokey Really? All you are worried about is the insurance?

1. Please do not attempt to speak for me, OBVIOUSLY that is NOT close to what I said, guns get stolen, and THAT is what insurance is for it IS NOT an "excuse" to carry into ANY No Gun Zones (which IS illegal and not open for debate)

2.)A responsible gun owner IF having his/her weapon stolen will Follow the law and report it and provide serial Numbers NOT carry where it's illegal PERIOD! Also there is it seems a misconception that vehicles are the ONLY places guns get stolen from but the "leave them at home" DOES NOT guarantee they won't or can't get stolen!

3. Talk about "reading fully then commenting" the other poster (not you) had made the statement they'd carry in a NO gun zone rather than leave in vehicle (break the law rather than follow it) Their choice I suppose but a huge risk and one I do not agree with, maybe you do? I don't know, you didn't comment on THAT

How about a gun that is now in a criminals hands that was YOUR responsibility?

So in YOUR opinion NO matter what precautions a law abiding citizen takes IF on the off chance "some criminal " breaks the existing laws and steals MY weapon from my home or vehicle "I" am the one being irresponsible, do YOU shower with ALL your weapons? IF not LOL is all I'm going to say..... "I" have a few too many to "watch over" them all 24/7 so again that IS why I carry insurance on them...

I was talking to some instuctors about CCW. They basically said that the way the law is now, there are few places that you cannot carry

REALLY?

Ask them about (among others)

Schools
Post Office
Federal Courts (and most if not all state court houses)
Sheriffs offices
Banks
MOST Federal Property of any kind... see IF hey say "hey it's Ok" or not LOL

 

[Aceoky]

Sometime I am forced to "leave it in the car." It sucks because it can be stolen. I can't turn around and go home every time I need to disarm. Sometimes I get called into work for an emergency, sometimes I need to stop by a government building, some stores I frequent are posted no cww, and sometimes I end up going to a hospital or doctor's office with my son that is a "learning hospital" considered an extension of some med school (in some cases I actually am required to park "off campus" to be legal).

Exactly! It's totally 100% absurd to "think" even with a CCW permit you can NEVER have to disarm, OR IMO it's smart to break the law and become a criminal and LOSE all firearm rights and go ahead and carry in a no gun zone, however it seems some feel otherwise, which I don't condone and am amazed they'd post such on a public forum!:banghead:

 

[Allentown]

Since i carry unloaded (but with loaded mags not in the weapon) in a zipped up bag..its considered "unloaded and not immediately accessible" which makes me legal in several of those situations that it would otherwise be illegal in.

Fact is..id rather have it take me an extra 10 seconds to access it then to simply not have it at all (while at the same time avoiding some of the issues i might get into legally if i had it loaded and on me).

Still i think most carry where they shouldnt just to avoid having to disarm/have it stolen/and or in an OH sht situation without it.

Just how it is.... ugghhh.

 

[akadave]

1. Please do not attempt to speak for me, OBVIOUSLY that is NOT close to what I said, guns get stolen, and THAT is what insurance is for it IS NOT an "excuse" to carry into ANY No Gun Zones (which IS illegal and not open for debate)

2.)A responsible gun owner IF having his/her weapon stolen will Follow the law and report it and provide serial Numbers NOT carry where it's illegal PERIOD! Also there is it seems a misconception that vehicles are the ONLY places guns get stolen from but the "leave them at home" DOES NOT guarantee they won't or can't get stolen!

3. Talk about "reading fully then commenting" the other poster (not you) had made the statement they'd carry in a NO gun zone rather than leave in vehicle (break the law rather than follow it) Their choice I suppose but a huge risk and one I do not agree with, maybe you do? I don't know, you didn't comment on THAT



So in YOUR opinion NO matter what precautions a law abiding citizen takes IF on the off chance "some criminal " breaks the existing laws and steals MY weapon from my home or vehicle "I" am the one being irresponsible, do YOU shower with ALL your weapons? IF not LOL is all I'm going to say..... "I" have a few too many to "watch over" them all 24/7 so again that IS why I carry insurance on them...



REALLY?

Ask them about (among others)

Schools
Post Office
Federal Courts (and most if not all state court houses)
Sheriffs offices
Banks
MOST Federal Property of any kind... see IF hey say "hey it's Ok" or not LOL

Like I said, get an approved locking container that bolts to the inside of your car or has a cable that ataches under your seat.

I never said break the law. I said KNOW the law. It can be less restrictive than you think for general everyday carry. And of course anything Fed or even municipal will have its limits. THEN you lock the gun in the box that is secured inside your car. They are cheap.

Be aware that in some circumstances, people have been found to be civiliy liable for a gun that was stolen from their car that wound up being used in a crime so. There is also the pesky little moral issue of someone killing an innocent person with your stolen gun. And no, you can always protect them, but you sure as heck can do better than a tampon box or a glove box etc. I lost an $800 dollar gun so I feel the sting from that as well.

 

[Aceoky]

Be aware that in some circumstances, people have been found to be civiliy liable for a gun that was stolen from their car that wound up being used in a crime

Please document ONE case where a CCW permit holder disarmed to comply with state OR Fed laws, and then their gun was stolen and they were found guilty of anything UNLESS they failed to report it in a timely manner; during which time it WAS used in a crime...sorry I'm in NO way buying that by following KNOWN laws you can possibly be found guilty of a crime, I'd bet however IF many such cases have actually occurred the laws would have been changed to reflect that since I KNOW they've not been changed again I'm not buying that stance at all......

It's quite simple it IS illegal to carry in NO gun zones, it's NOT illegal to leave your carry weapon in a locked vehicle anywhere I know of carry being legal so IF you carry it is totally absurd to believe you won't ever have to leave your weapon ...

I never said break the law

Well, I didn't say that YOU did, did I?

MY response (again) was to another poster and their saying (on a public forum) to carry into no gun zones, "better to be judged by 12 than carried by six" ... which I'm certain I made clear of whom I replied to at the time and certainly did when I posted that it wasn't to you ...

It can be less restrictive than you think for general everyday carry

I'm very much aware of the carry laws in my state (and several others FWIW), that is not relevent to this discussion, NO gun zones do NOT allow carry CCW or not- period; it's not complicated and the other poster was clear in what was being suggested (but changed to say IF- but IF you or anyone else carries there WILL be times you can't bring into certain areas and buildings, it's fact not opinion)

This is going nowhere fast, IF you "think" it's 100% safe at home unattended, feel free to believe that, but don't tell my neighbors who used to feel that way until they had all theirs stolen from their home.... despite a quality gun safe.....and THAT is what insurance is for, WHEN they get stolen despite our best efforts to avoid it

 

[Allentown]

I dont get how they got it stolen out of their home. I mean, i know home theft occurs but its pretty easy to prevent with modern technology.

My home has every entrance way wired...every square inch of the down stairs is covered by motion sensors. The safe is on the second floor (and would require 2 or 3 people to carrry down the steps)...then IF they manged to get in, find it, and get out before the cops came...

I have surveillance cameras on a near 360 degree radius around my house that would MOST DEFINATELY pick up their faces and almost definately pick up their car and tag numbers.... it then (after 7 seconds of motion) sends the still images to my iphone and records the info on my home PC....which..if they steel...would ahve already uploaded some of the footage to a secure web site ran by logitech....and THEN they would be caught when they fired up my computer and connected it to the internet because its LO-JACKED...

In a word..id have my guns back inside of 48 hours probably. And that set up cost me about $800 bucks to set up (not counting the security system..just the survelliance).

 

[Aceoky]

I dont get how they got it stolen out of their home. I mean, i know home theft occurs but its pretty easy to prevent with modern technology

With all due respect: You seriously do not?

So it's "easy" to get stolen from a car, but homes are always 100% safe? Sorry I don't agree

Response time that's how, everyone doesn't live "down town" and even then what is the average response time?

In the rural areas what do you think the average response time is on an alarm (and after a couple false alarms in a remote area forget about it ) As an aside it was broad daylight and alarm was disabled anyway (don't ask me how, because I have no clue, but I did talk with the LEO who were seeing IF I'd seen anything "unusual" ...) Obviously the criminals knew the response times were in their favor and IF they messed up on disarming the alarm they would be long gone before most times any LEO showed up..

NOT sure if they had cameras or not , I'm not that into my neighbors business, but if they did I'd bet they were disabled with the alarm system? (total guess though I will admit) Far as I know the police NEVER found the guns OR the thieves, however I don't hold my neighbor in ANY way responsible for the thieves actions either.

EDIT TO ADD:

I should probably mention we have a growing terrible meth habit in the state; thieves are it seems getting better educated on how to disarm things in order to steal for drug $$$ , so sad but so true, which adds to home invasions and IF a criminal will break into an occupied house, there is no doubt they'll hit one when they're pretty sure it's not occupied by armed folks. Hence my belief that a gun isn't safe while you're in the shower IF someone happens at the moment, however I do not agree that makes anyone who while in the shower has their weapon stolen "irresponsible or stupid" NOR do I if they have to leave in car hidden for legal reasons and it's stolen. I do not agree with "no gun zones" in the least but I do believe in following laws or working legally to have them changed, not disregarding same, maybe that's "just me" however..


It's just as absurd to think that alarms, lock boxes etc. will stop 100% of crimes, robberies or anything else as it is to believe a gun will automatically be stolen from a locked vehicle when the weapon is out of sight... now I wouldn't advise having NRA, Ruger, S&W etc. decals on your vehicle but unless one parks "all by themselves" the truth is the odds are NOT great YOUR vehicle is any more or less apt to be targeted than mine or "Bob's or Jill's"

 

[akadave]

Please document ONE case where a CCW permit holder disarmed to comply with state OR Fed laws, and then their gun was stolen and they were found guilty of anything UNLESS they failed to report it in a timely manner; during which time it WAS used in a crime...sorry I'm in NO way buying that by following KNOWN laws you can possibly be found guilty of a crime, I'd bet however IF many such cases have actually occurred the laws would have been changed to reflect that since I KNOW they've not been changed again I'm not buying that stance at all......

It's quite simple it IS illegal to carry in NO gun zones, it's NOT illegal to leave your carry weapon in a locked vehicle anywhere I know of carry being legal so IF you carry it is totally absurd to believe you won't ever have to leave your weapon ...



Well, I didn't say that YOU did, did I?

MY response (again) was to another poster and their saying (on a public forum) to carry into no gun zones, "better to be judged by 12 than carried by six" ... which I'm certain I made clear of whom I replied to at the time and certainly did when I posted that it wasn't to you ...




I'm very much aware of the carry laws in my state (and several others FWIW), that is not relevent to this discussion, NO gun zones do NOT allow carry CCW or not- period; it's not complicated and the other poster was clear in what was being suggested (but changed to say IF- but IF you or anyone else carries there WILL be times you can't bring into certain areas and buildings, it's fact not opinion)

This is going nowhere fast, IF you "think" it's 100% safe at home unattended, feel free to believe that, but don't tell my neighbors who used to feel that way until they had all theirs stolen from their home.... despite a quality gun safe.....and THAT is what insurance is for, WHEN they get stolen despite our best efforts to avoid it

Easy there. Notice I said CIVILY....not CRIMINALLY. Im talking sued, loss of property, broke, no college for Jr etc.

Yes it would be darned near impossible to be found criminally negligent if the gun were stolen from your home, person or car.

Im fully aware of no gun zones. I was mentioning establishments that post No Weapons signs. That is not breaking the law other than at most tresspass and like I said, you would just be asked to leave.

I have a monitored security system for my home...inexpensive and a very good deterrnet ot any but the most determined criminal. Yes and stuff gets stolen, nobody is going to disagree with an obvious statement.

Your argument seems to be that going the extra mile to secure your weapons is absurd? Nobody said its 100% but its also not an excuse to NOT do everything you can do to prevent your guns from being stolen. Not for the value of the guns, just be a responsibile citizen. Look, if I was suggesting something that was hard, or expensive or involved big words then you can obfuscate all you want, but Im not. Im talking $50 and a screwdriver or $35 per month for a security system...or asking for a gun safe for Christmas. So stop with whine and cheese already.

 

[Aceoky]

Easy there. Notice I said CIVILY....not CRIMINALLY. Im talking sued, loss of property, broke, no college for Jr etc.

I noticed it "just fine" , and I'm well aware what civil suits are and anyone can file but that is a far cry from winning one... like I said I'm just not buying it,... pretty hard to lose a civil suit for complying with State and Federal laws......however please feel free to cite some cases with proof, I'm sure several would be interested in seeing some actual evidence of this

Your argument seems to be that going the extra mile to secure your weapons is absurd?

Not only is that not even close to what I actually posted , it's a far reach...

So stop with whine and cheese already.

Totally uncalled for and I'm done trying to have a civil discussion with ya..

 

[Allentown]

I totally agree you are never 100% safe.

Now im just confused how the disarmed the system. Mine has a 3 hour back up battery and there is no phone line going to my house. The system is 100% cellular and its in the ATTIC of the home.... Cut the power and its still up for 2 hours plus sends a power cut signal....and there is no way to cut the phone line.

My survelliance is not tied into the security..you try cutting the power and that would however take out the cameras..but not before it got the cutters on tape (as it picks up ANYTHING that moves in the yard) and records it.

But i agree...there is no 100% safe..i think "no gun zones" only make people LESS SAFE to be honest.

There are no easy answers..all we can do is try to keep the criminals honest..lol

 

[Aceoky]

Exactly!

 

[HighExpert]

I will never leave another gun in my glove box. I lost a beautiful Tanfoglio 9 that way. I now use a small safe that is bolted into the floor pan. Not totally secure, but sure beats a glovebox or console.

 

[The_Shootist]

I use my Mak as my car gun - one of the reasons being if it ends up in the wrong hands there is an even chance the perp will use the wrong ammo in it, or be unable to find the right ammo for it. As well, it would still serve me well if I had to use it in a SD situation.

 

[akadave]

interesting read

http://www.saf.org/journal/14/Lock,StockandBarrel.pdf


And for Aceoky

http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19951120&slug=2153661

Dont agree with it by any means but it happens. Oh, and frivolous or not, you still have to hire a lawyer to defend yourself and plan on paying thousands...

So bottom line, just dont leave a gun in your car for any reason without some sort of extra measure to keep it secure. The DBags are everywhere...some closer than you think.

 

[valorius]

Several guns are stolen from homes as well,(though I'm not listing any link for "perusal" ) SO I "guess" in your opinion no one should have a gun IF they leave it at home?

My opinion is that you refuse to see the other side of the issue, and you just want to be right.

Cars get broken into about every 5 seconds in America, and it takes about one minute to thoroughly rifle through one. If there's a gun in there, it will be found.

So to the folks that MUST have a gun in their car, please, for the love of your neighbors, make sure it is in a highly secured and seriously anchored lock box of some sort.

 

[akadave]

My opinion is that you refuse to see the other side of the issue, and you just want to be right.

Cars get broken into about every 5 seconds in America, and it takes about one minute to thoroughly rifle through one. If there's a gun in there, it will be found.

So to the folks that MUST have a gun in their car, please, for the love of your neighbors, make sure it is in a highly secured and seriously anchored lock box of some sort.

Amen!!