IMTHDUKE
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That's just gun forum protocal....you get opinion and answers to questions that you didn't ask or want
Glovebox Gun Ideas
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That's just gun forum protocal....you get opinion and answers to questions that you didn't ask or want
cougar1717
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OP - Your're thinking along the right lines - something inexpensive. You've got a wide variety listed, but the real questions are: Which one fits you better? and Which one can you fire well? The threat of a drawn firearm (loaded or not) may deter some BG's if it came to that, but a moment's notice - having to keep it cased and unloaded at is about as good as having a rock to throw. I'm not sure it's worth it if I couldn't at least keep a loaded mag in it or with the gun.
Purgatory
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Mr. Quigley beat me to it. If you're going to carry at ALL, it might as well be loaded. Not very effective otherwise and I don't BELIEVE you can get in any more trouble for having a loaded gun as you could for having one unloaded. Not certain though.
Now, what condition you carry it in (1,2, or 3) is another debate.
My recommendation: when you carry it, however you carry it, carry it loaded and ready to fire (condition 1) in a decent holster that protects or fully covers the trigger. Whether it has a safety or not is also another debate and changes the carry condition if chambered with safety on, (condition 2) I believe.
Kel-Tec is decent among that price range and I liked the Hi-Point recommendation for it's purpose.
A used revolver or Glock would be ideal.
Sorry to stray from OP.
Now, what condition you carry it in (1,2, or 3) is another debate.
My recommendation: when you carry it, however you carry it, carry it loaded and ready to fire (condition 1) in a decent holster that protects or fully covers the trigger. Whether it has a safety or not is also another debate and changes the carry condition if chambered with safety on, (condition 2) I believe.
Kel-Tec is decent among that price range and I liked the Hi-Point recommendation for it's purpose.
A used revolver or Glock would be ideal.
Sorry to stray from OP.
Kymasabe
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Personally, I'd go for the CZ-82. If got something like 12 rounds in the mag, they come with 2 mags and they're very accurate. They're also small enough to carry easily if you had to, unlike the 5900 series S&W. The Sigma might not be a bad second choice, certainly smaller and lighter than the Ruger. Keep in mind the trigger is gonna suck on the Sigma but it'll do the job if you ever need it. The rest, the Kel-Tec and the especially the hi-point, I wouldn't want to trust my life to either of those guns.
Go with the CZ-82, you won't regret it.
By the way, I don't know where you live but here, we have a 3-step rule to keeping a loaded gun in the glovebox. I believe (and I may be wrong) that law requires three actions be taken before you can fire your glovebox gun, so: 1. open glovebox, 2. remove from holster, 3. either rack slide and chamber a round OR flip safety to "fire" position. If it's not loaded and easily accessible, you might as well just leave it at home.
Go with the CZ-82, you won't regret it.
By the way, I don't know where you live but here, we have a 3-step rule to keeping a loaded gun in the glovebox. I believe (and I may be wrong) that law requires three actions be taken before you can fire your glovebox gun, so: 1. open glovebox, 2. remove from holster, 3. either rack slide and chamber a round OR flip safety to "fire" position. If it's not loaded and easily accessible, you might as well just leave it at home.
In Wisc, it can be in an unlocked case, with a loaded mag next to it.
Takes only a few seconds to open the case, insert mag, and strip off a round. Not as good as "carry", but way better than nothing.
harmon rabb
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What state do you live in? I hope not Florida. What you said is a common misconception about Florida law. Florida only requires that a gun be "securely encased" in a car. A glovebox is "securely encased." You can have your gun with a loaded mag, round in the tube, and hammer cocked in your glovebox, and you're 100% legal, even without a concealed weapons permit.
MATTHEW QUIGLEY
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So in Wisc. you can't have a loaded handgun in your car? And even unloaded it has to be cased? I reckon I'd be a good, honest, outlaw.
valorius
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Leaving a loaded firearm in an unattended vehicle is, excuse me for saying so, stupid and irresponsible...IMO. I personally know 3 people that have had firearms stolen from their car. I know no one that has ever used a firearm they keep in their car for self defense.
HGM, there's some good info in the responses here if you can get past some of the quips. I have gotten away from carrying a gun in the car because I've come to terms with just how little security that offers. That's my personal choice.
Before that, I carried an AK in an old tennis racket case... sorta disguised. If you are intent on carrying a gun, do consider carrying it someplace other than your glove box... on the other hand, a thief is likely to look in any other accessible places too. I have seen specially designed plastic McDonald's cups that hold a gun. Also, folded newspaper holsters.
Remember, if/when something bad does go down, it will happen so quickly that you are not likely to have time to do any loading. Maybe not even time to reach for the thing. This is the reason soldiers always are required to have their rifles within arm's reach. You just usually don't get any warning before trouble strikes. I received a little training on a kubotan once and even then the trainer said, you must learn to carry the kubotan in your hand all the time - otherwise you won't get to it in time. Very sobering.
Okay, now that I've said my peace, to the gun choice. If you want to put it in the car and basically forget it, consider getting a revolver in stead of an auto. They are better suited to withstand neglect (i.e no lubrication). If you're willing to put a little lube on it from time to time, the auto should do fine.
For me, I like the full-power 9mm rather than the 9X18. But that being said, I believe the CZ82 is a fantastic pistol. My only suggestion would be to go with the least expensive one you find reliable because of the theft risk.
Before that, I carried an AK in an old tennis racket case... sorta disguised. If you are intent on carrying a gun, do consider carrying it someplace other than your glove box... on the other hand, a thief is likely to look in any other accessible places too. I have seen specially designed plastic McDonald's cups that hold a gun. Also, folded newspaper holsters.
Remember, if/when something bad does go down, it will happen so quickly that you are not likely to have time to do any loading. Maybe not even time to reach for the thing. This is the reason soldiers always are required to have their rifles within arm's reach. You just usually don't get any warning before trouble strikes. I received a little training on a kubotan once and even then the trainer said, you must learn to carry the kubotan in your hand all the time - otherwise you won't get to it in time. Very sobering.
Okay, now that I've said my peace, to the gun choice. If you want to put it in the car and basically forget it, consider getting a revolver in stead of an auto. They are better suited to withstand neglect (i.e no lubrication). If you're willing to put a little lube on it from time to time, the auto should do fine.
For me, I like the full-power 9mm rather than the 9X18. But that being said, I believe the CZ82 is a fantastic pistol. My only suggestion would be to go with the least expensive one you find reliable because of the theft risk.
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Do you know anyone that has used a firearm for defense against humans? I know personally only one person that has, and he was in his truck. Crook tried to rob him through his truck window. He was shot through the chest between his vitals and his left shoulder. Luckily he was able to draw his carry piece from his right side and his buddy riding with him drew his piece from... the glovebox. I don't know why the crook didn't keep firing, but unluckily for him the guys in the truck did fire, and didn't miss.
speaksoftly
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...grabs some popcorn and a coke...
valorius
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M Quigley said:
Yes.
If you want to have a gun, i humbly submit that it be carried on your person so you can defend the gun, just as the gun defends you.
Leaving your gun in a vehicle is leaving it defenseless when you are not present. For some reason, i am not seeing the quote button...please excuse me, i need to fiddle with my control panel.
SO........what do you do when carrying and have to go into a no gun zone (courthouse, school, bank, post office etc.)????
It's simple to say things are "stupid and irresponsible" but the laws being what they are dictate we ALL have to do it at least part of the time, and any time yours (or mine or theirs) could be stolen that is what insurance is for...
That being said the OP can't legally carry , but wants some protection in bad areas they have to journey through and IMO a gun in the glove box beats a wish ... I'm Not saying it's ideal, not by a longshot, but that is why I voted for the Hi Point not only is less $$$ at stake the Hi Point having a hidden serial number, I'd bet most criminals are not aware of makes it a very good choice for the task at hand IMO
valorius
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If i cannot have a gun in a building or state then i bring pepper spray and or a knife, or i take my chances with the law if i'm that motivated to arm myself. I would not leave a loaded firearm in an unattended vehicle unless it was secured in a bolted down safe or something of the sort.
Far too many guns are stolen and used to murder innocent people. Unattended vehicles are no doubt a significant source of such guns. It takes about 60 seconds to break into and rifle through a car- any car.
If you're out in the sticks in a "leave your keys in the ignition" kind of community, by all means keep something in your car, and good for you. If you're in a city like me...no way.
Far too many guns are stolen and used to murder innocent people. Unattended vehicles are no doubt a significant source of such guns. It takes about 60 seconds to break into and rifle through a car- any car.
If you're out in the sticks in a "leave your keys in the ignition" kind of community, by all means keep something in your car, and good for you. If you're in a city like me...no way.
"I" will NOT condone breaking the law, especially to prevent something NOT so likely to happen (in the OP case he clearly said his car was in a secured and fenced lot for crying out loud) BTW, IF you are happy risking getting caught carrying in a NO gun zone, be aware you WILL lose your right to carry forever......NOT something I'd advocate and certainly NEVER on a public forum.... The risk of being caught carrying in a NO gun zone FAR outweigh the risk that YOUR gun would be stolen in a few minutes in ANY of those locations, since almost ALL CCW holders do NOT violate the NO gun zones and yet where are "all the stories" of their guns being stolen?
I have missed "all such stories" :banghead:
Funny thing..... if I have to leave my gun in my car, I found the perfect place for it. I have one of those "organizers" over the back of the passenger seat.
Car has been broken into before, but that thing was completely untouched.
I found there is an atlas pouch in the back, PERFECT! Fits my .40 cal nicely and is completely outta sight.
On a lighter note: I moved to another town with a MUCH lower car break-in rate!!!!
Car has been broken into before, but that thing was completely untouched.
I found there is an atlas pouch in the back, PERFECT! Fits my .40 cal nicely and is completely outta sight.
On a lighter note: I moved to another town with a MUCH lower car break-in rate!!!!
Houser52
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I carry my handgun in the truck everyday and leave it locked in a Versa Mount pistol safe. I mounted it under the seat between my legs within easy reach. It locks/unlocks quickly by the use of a Simplex push button combination lock.
Hard to tell from the pic but it's mounted in such a way that it would be hard to get anything to it to pry it open.
Hard to tell from the pic but it's mounted in such a way that it would be hard to get anything to it to pry it open.
oneounceload
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Kinda defeats the purpose then, doesn't it? Do you think someone getting you quickly at a light or wherever will give you enough time to unzip the case, load a mag, chamber a round and be ready?
As an extra precaution against those things, i carry some pepper spray in a little storage area right above the steering wheel. If you are legally to have the gun loaded during transport, that would be a better scenario
valorius
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A simple perusal of this google link shows that guns are stolen from cars quite often, and in pretty large numbers overall:
http://www.google.com/search?q=guns...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
As far as carrying in a no carry zone, i said "if," but i will also state outright that i'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by six. If i think i truly NEED a gun to go somewhere, i'm bringing it or i'm not going, and that's the end of that.
http://www.google.com/search?q=guns...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
As far as carrying in a no carry zone, i said "if," but i will also state outright that i'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by six. If i think i truly NEED a gun to go somewhere, i'm bringing it or i'm not going, and that's the end of that.
Having had a gun taken from a glove box all I can tell you is: Either keep the firearm on you at all times or leave it at home, OR get a lockbox that secures to the interior of you vehicle and keep the firearm in that when you are unable to have it on your person.
KodiakBeer
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I'm actually buying a car gun right now - I ordered a CZ 82 this morning.
Here's the plan. Neither my wife or myself listen to the radio since we live in a remote locale with only a couple of absolute crap radio stations. I'm pulling my radio and fabricating a cushioned box behind the front panel. I'm not sure how I'll install that false front panel yet, but I'll put in some sort of hinge and snap locking mechanism. It's a cheap factory radio that won't tempt a thief.
I'll probably put in a Ipod player mounted on the console later on, but that's something to think about later.
Anyway, I think this is a good plan. A casual thief isn't going to find it, and if they do it's a $199 pistol that's easily replaced. We don't have much in the way of car theft around here, but I do put my vehicle on the ferry to Anchorage once in a while and it will be nice to have a back-up for my carry gun.
Here's the plan. Neither my wife or myself listen to the radio since we live in a remote locale with only a couple of absolute crap radio stations. I'm pulling my radio and fabricating a cushioned box behind the front panel. I'm not sure how I'll install that false front panel yet, but I'll put in some sort of hinge and snap locking mechanism. It's a cheap factory radio that won't tempt a thief.
I'll probably put in a Ipod player mounted on the console later on, but that's something to think about later.
Anyway, I think this is a good plan. A casual thief isn't going to find it, and if they do it's a $199 pistol that's easily replaced. We don't have much in the way of car theft around here, but I do put my vehicle on the ferry to Anchorage once in a while and it will be nice to have a back-up for my carry gun.
Several guns are stolen from homes as well,(though I'm not listing any link for "perusal" ) SO I "guess" in your opinion no one should have a gun IF they leave it at home? Like I stated that is what insurance is for, we can't control 100% of what OTHERS do, we CAN only do all we can to keep our loved ones as safe as possible
As far you you breaking the law and being judged by 12, in a NO gun zone, I shall wish you the very best outcome, methinks you WILL be needing that I seen the "if", however IF you carry AT ALL, there have been (or will) be times you aren't expecting but WILL have to enter such a zone (and many of them)........so IF you obey the carry laws YOU WILL leave your weapon in your vehicle OR break the law,there are no other choices..... this is not open for debate, it's a well known (and taught in CCW classes in most states IF not All of them).......your decision I suppose to make however.
As far you you breaking the law and being judged by 12, in a NO gun zone, I shall wish you the very best outcome, methinks you WILL be needing that I seen the "if", however IF you carry AT ALL, there have been (or will) be times you aren't expecting but WILL have to enter such a zone (and many of them)........so IF you obey the carry laws YOU WILL leave your weapon in your vehicle OR break the law,there are no other choices..... this is not open for debate, it's a well known (and taught in CCW classes in most states IF not All of them).......your decision I suppose to make however.
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