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pint of Jack Daniels (for trade proposes)

yeah, yeah..... :rolleyes:

That bag looks OK, i'd brig a hatchet/hammer combo. Not sure why I see people talking about carrying 42 knives. I'd say a multitool in your pocket/belt, big knife like a KaBar with half serrated, and a hatchet with a hammer on the back side is all for tools.
 
Wow, this turned from a brief conversation between two friends into "let's ask the good ole folks at THR what they think" to a "my IP address is longer than yours" contest.

2cent and I were talking about being prepared just-in-case. We've talked, over the years, about how these armchair commandos and how they wouldn't last two minutes if TSHF ever happened but they'd sure leave some nice toys and plenty of ammo around. The concept of the (American) rifleman has become a joke and we were talking about the kit (bare minimum) that a person would need to survive. Once you have the software, and are confident with it, choosing the hardware is part of the fun.

We decided one only needs weapons, water, chow, shelter (if only it's poncho, a tree and 550 cord) and a good pair of boots. Get that out of the way then you can have your niche items (if you can hump 'em).

What does one really want to do if TSHF? Survive, be left alone, NOT attract attention. That trailer looks like a good idea...until strangers come a-knocking, wanting what you have. It's nuts what suvival does to morals.

And when the nearest unaffected area is farther than your vic will take you, your feet will take you the rest of the way. Once on your feet, you're going to want those "silly" survival items.

So, unless you have some PRODUCTIVE to post, browse elsewhere. No one is forcing you to read this. There are plenty of subforums on this great site.

Regards,
Lucky
 
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Here's my "realistic" list for the average suburban scenario...

This is NOT for "end of the world" situations...but for more realistic emergencies that we may encounter (again...for most suburban situations).

1. Two MRE packs.
2. Two cans of chunky soup.
3. Two bottles of water.
4. Two coke cans.
5. First Aid Kit and survival blanket
6. Quick Clot and extra bandaging supplies.
7. Chem Lights
8. Hand Crank Flashlight
9. Hand Crank Radio
10. Toiletries (Razor, TP, soap, towel, wet naps, etc)
11. A complete change of clothes (and undergarments).
12. Water Purification Kit
13. Collapsable water bucket (for hauling water).
14. Survival knife
15. Lighter
16. Waterproof matches
17. Magnesium fire starter
18. Bug repellent spray
19. Antibacterial wash (for wounds).
20. 50 ft. rope
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In the car...
21. Life jacket /floatation device
22. Fire extinguisher
23. Basic tool box
24. Jumper cables/car jack/ spare gas can
 
Re: Suburban Emergency Kit

25. Starbucks gift card

It gets cold on the way to ones car coming out of WalMart or Lowe's :p

Happy Holidays!
Lucky
 
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For the people that think nothing is going to happen, or that staying put in your house is just fine, or that you are going to to be put up in a five star hotel/middle school gym, more power to ya.
I for one am planing for the worst. Which means having to leave the house and possibly the city. Katrina should have been a lesson to everyone that anything can happen, any where. And don't count on the Feds to show up at your door 5 minutes after the disaster and take you and yours to a nice, neat facility and cater to your every need.
I live in missouri and two years ago we had a major ice storm. Most of the state and surrounding states had major problems. Power was out to major portions of the state for at least a week. Surrounding towns and neighborhoods around me were out of power for up to three weeks. I had co-workers that were without power for up to two nad a half weeks. A few were able to stay with relatives in areas with power. Some were lucky enough to find a generator. A few had to find hotel rooms. I was fortunate to be in an area that did not loose power. But getting around was not easy.
As the storm was heading our way, the entire community began to stock up on supplies. My garage was packed up with water, propane tanks, camp stoves, canned and dry food, etc. If we had lost power for more than a couple of days, we would have had to leave. As i did not have a generator, my house does not have a chimney, so no fire for warmth and cooking.
It was atleast 5 days before any "help" was offered by the Feds. And it was not to the people, it was to the state and local govt's.
Any ways. Being as stocked as possible is a good idea for any one, in any area. And wether you had to "bug out" to the bush or another city, you should have as much as you can. Don't plan on being able to find room in a hotel or "gym". And even if you do, what is the likely hood that supplies will be easy to come by?
Be prepared, go prepared. As many others say, "better to have and not need, then....."
 
5. Lightweight ABS plastic backpackers trowel for digging catholes, emplacing a small cache, hiding bloody dressings, garments, or food trash/refuse (OPSEC vs. anyone tracking you).

6. 1 x pair of clear ballistic eyewear or shop goggles; enables you to move on foot at night through undergrowth, forest, thickets, etc. (without losing an eye) or to be able to continue driving when your windshield is shattered or shot through; good thing to be wearing whenever there is a high probability of violence

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could someone point me to where to buy this stuff (Amazon link??)

i agree that bugging in is the way to go if possible. important to me is: water....food....warm clothing and rain wear....first aid kit......am/fm radio and Ham radio ....and a CCW (Glock 30).....plus the aforementioned eye wear when i find out from you what kind to get.

Bill
 
I really do want to contribute... but I maintain that where you're going and what you're doing when you get there matters as to what should be packed. Walking to the nearest Hyatt, or hitting the hills? Are the hills in Minnesota, or are they in Arizona? It would just be silly if I suggested MN winter clothing for a June bugout in Tucson.

When you get to the hills, do you have a reliable source of water? Ammo caches to fight zee Russians? A plan for contending with the people who took to the hills without a plan and will kill you for your stuff?
 
How many people took to the bayou to live off the land during Katrina?

I have a number of relatives who live in Louisiana hurricane country. When an evacuation is recommended, they head up I-49 and spend a couple of days on a cot in a Middle School Gym outside Shreveport. It has worked every time, even Katrina.

Maybe it's a failure of my imagination, but I just can't think of any natural or man-made disaster in which I would be better off in the woods with a pack full of MREs and Jack Daniel's.

I'll flee to a civilized place if my home is in danger of being blown away, submerged or incinerated. If not, I'll just stay in my house with ALL my MREs and Jack Daniel's as well as a roof, plenty of guns and ammo and a whole bunch of neighbors I trust. Your milage may vary.

Some of that Bug Out Bag stuff could come in pretty handy in case of wintertime car trouble, though.
 
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A true Bug Out Bag is going to contain some survival stuff, but its stuff you might use everyday. Skip the fishing rods, sewing kits, tents and thousands of rounds. Another poster had it spot on: gas and cash. If you're serious about escaping a disaster, let go of the mountain-man fantasies and think about what you intend to actually do. You're going to want to get from where you are, to another city that is outside of the affected area.

You'll need:
A good vehicle that can make it long distances preferably 4 wheel drive.

Enough gas to travel multiple hundreds of miles. Get some military 5 gallon jugs and fill them up now, so you're not standing in line behind 75 other cars waiting to spend $10 a gallon when the disaster actually hits.

Depending on weather, the clothes you're wearing should be fine plus outer-garments for snow, rain etc

Copies of any important documents, IDs, car title, passports, birth certificates. You never know what checkpoint or .gov agency will ask for to make sure you are you.

$$$ Should be self explanatory. A hotel room, food, new clothes, more gas, whatever.

A good CCW and one or two reloads. You don't need your AR or shotgun or hunting rifle or small game .22lr. That stuff is going to be MUCH more of a burden as you try to move between National Guard checkpoints and shelters and so forth.

Don't make yourself look conspicuous. Leave the tactical vest and drop leg holster and anything else that makes you stand out back home. You need to get from teh affected area to the unaffected area as quickly and quietly as possible. Wearing an ALICE rig and humping an OD green rucksack carrying your hunting rifle is going to attract the attention of all sorts from military, LE, or even bad guys. None of this attention is good. Blend in, protect yourself and get to another populated but safe area. Keep your money and documents in one of those belly bands meant for overseas travel to prevent theft. Get an off-the shelf backpack from Wal-Mart and put some trail mix, water bottles, power bars etc to snack on and keep you going while you drive. You don't need tons of MREs or canned goods.
 
Enough gas to travel multiple hundreds of miles. Get some military 5 gallon jugs and fill them up now, so you're not standing in line behind 75 other cars waiting to spend $10 a gallon when the disaster actually hits.
If you plan on storing the gas for any length of time, be sure and add some of this to your gas cans. You don't want to be pouring 5 gallons of varnish into your gas tank!

STA-BIL_4-oz_Fuel_StabilizerBlistercard_22204.jpg


http://www.goldeagle.com/brands/stabil/products.aspx

Scott
 
First, select an appropriate container for your Go Bag. My container is a Ford Ranger with a full tank. Into the back of the Ranger under the tonneau cover (fiberglass bed cover) goes a large duffel bag with blankets and cold weather clothing (wool & synthetic); a 96 hour kit (food, water, et al); .308Win & .22LR rifles, 12 ga pump, .45ACP & 9mm pistols, and two cans of ammo. A Get-Home-Bag (GHB) which is a Camelbak with a min load is also in the truck for walking home if that's an appropriate move. Except for the guns and ammo, it's all in the truck now. Adding the guns and ammo takes just a couple minutes.

My first option is to stay home and bug-in. Next choice is to stay with the truck and if I'm on a road trip, the guns and ammo will have been added. Last choice is to abandon either home or truck.
 
Disaster Survival Skills in the Urban Environment

Our fire department teaches a course to municipal employees and Citizens Corps groups such as Neighborhood Watch and Community Emergency Response Teams. The class materials are available at this URL:

http://www.w4ava.org/races/KKauxcomm33.htm

OBJECTIVES: - Why teach “survival” in the city?

Catastrophes vs. disasters
This is about your SURVIVAL, not volunteering
Priorities for human survival
Break-out sessions:
Shelter construction
Fire making
Signaling
Equipment and supplies
Social implications of disasters
Personal security concerns

Disaster V. Catastrophe

Disasters are short term - “Make do for 3-4 days until help arrives…”

Catastrophic events are long term - No help is coming soon, “so you are on your own”

Why? - Complete loss of civil infrastructure

Minimal or no police, fire or EMS response
No electricity, municipal water, communications
Transport of fuel / food is severely impaired
Public safety agencies overwhelmed
Recovery is long term (over 30 days)

Situational awareness, basic knowledge and “survivor’s mindset” enable you to cope effectively

PREPAREDNESS - Have an evacuation kit ready at all times

Don't presume that a disaster will be short-term
Pack essentials first, then consider comfort items
In real emergences, forget last-minute purchases
Plan for more supplies than you “think” you may need
Inspect / renew your supplies each spring and fall
Provide entertainment for young children.

FIRST AID AND SANITATION

Maintain personal and family health
Prompt treatment reduces infection risk
Sanitation reduces risk of disease vectors
Water borne illnesses, diarrhea
Major cause of dehydration
Increases your survivability!

Disaster Injury Risk Factors:

Tool / equipment hazards, risk of hand, eye, head injuries, electric shock, chemical burns
Human factors, stress / fatigue
Structural instability
Trauma risk, falls, building collapse potential
Terrain, loose rock, fallen limbs, wet or insecure footing, risk of falls, puncture wounds and lacerations from debris.

Disaster Contamination:

Stagnant surface water
Mosquito breeding
Contaminated flood waters
Sewage treatment system overflow
Petroleum, industrial, agricultural chemical contamination
Airborne contaminant plumes
Smoke, dust, toxic gases
or radioactive fallout.

SHELTER

Protection from the elements
Wind and rain resistant
Insulation from cold

The “Stay or Evacuate” Decision - If evacuation is not mandatory, the same safety rules for entering a structure apply to using your home as shelter

DO NOT OCCUPY IF:

There is structural damage - (6 sides of the “box” are not plumb)
Utilities cannot be controlled
Structure was damaged in a fire
DO NOT occupy a floor that has been flooded,
Micotoxins from molds respiratory hazard!

EVACUATION PLANNING

Best to relocate with friends or relatives outside of affected area
Don't rely on government-run shelters
They are an “option of last resort” for those unable to evacuate
Evacuation route selection is important
Make sure your vehicle can carry essentials
A huge “bug-out” vehicle is a handicap on crowded roads
It uses more fuel, which may be expensive / scarce in an emergency.
Don't plan on fuel being available en route
In normal times always keep your gas tank at least half full
Upon warning an event is imminent, conserve fuel, keep tank ¾ full
Carry extra fuel containers outside the vehicle

EVACUATE OR STAY?

Conclusion from FEMA Urban-Rural Evacuation State Planners Workshop

Given:

● Population of the Washington, DC Metro area
● Propensity to self-evacuate, overwhelmingly by automobile
● Wide distribution of evacuation destinations,
● Perceived vulnerability to terror attack, and anticipation of multiple attacks

Result:

● A large-scale, chaotic mass self-evacuation should be anticipated.

EVACUATION

Feasible only if all personnel can evacuate before fallout contamination arrives and;
Essential functions for Continuity of Operations are transferred to an alternate facility
Affected area would have to be small and warning time adequate to execute the evacuation

Detonation effects (blast/thermal/EMP) will likely impede evacuation
Evacuees may be exposed and/or contaminated.

http://www.remm.nlm.gov/nuclearexplosion.htm

SHELTER IN PLACE Critical facilities that cannot evacuate (hospitals, EOCs) must continue to operate

Necessary if fallout/contamination would arrive before evacuation can be completed
Fallout Shelters will be needed to protect against high level radiation/detonation
Shelter-in-place (not necessarily Fallout Shelter) near RDD/very low level
Shelter stay may range from a few days to 2 weeks.
Authorities outside affected area can organize rescue/evacuation effort
Shelter occupants may be exposed and/or contaminated.
Necessary if operations can not be transferred or if staff, patients or clients cannot evacuate
Necessary if needed to support operations of other response agencies
Must have Radiological Monitoring & Exposure Control capabilities
Critical Facilities may be used to shelter families of the staff
Critical Facilities will not be used to shelter the general public.

DECONTAMINATION after flood or enemy attack
start immediately, even if you don’t know what the agent is.

Sandia decontamination foam (US Patent 6,566,574 B1) sold
as Scott's Liquid Gold Mold Control 500 in hardware stores.

http://www.sandia.gov/news/resources/releases/2007/moldcontrol.html

Is effective against most chemical and biological agents, including nerve, blister, anthrax, SARS, Norwalk, avian and common flu. Widely used for hospital /hotel sanitization mold remediation in commercial buildings,
cleaning / neutralizing agricultural sprayers. Moderate cost, about $30 at Home Depot.

EXPEDIENT FIELD DECONTAMINATION

If you are contaminated:

Remove everything, including jewelry
Cut off clothing normally removed over the head
Place contaminated clothing in plastic bag, tie closed
Wash your hands before using them to shower
Flush entire body with cool water
Blot dry with absorbent cloth
Put on clean clothes
Avoid use of affected areas, to prevent re-exposure
If professional help arrives, report to responders
for thorough decontamination and medical assessment.

Time - Fallout radiation intensity decays rapidly;
90% in just the first 7 hours. The less time you
spend in a radiation field, the less dose received.

Distance - The farther you are from a source,
the less dose you receive.

Shielding - Denser (heavier, massive) materials
absorb more radiation. Greater thickness of any
given material absorbs more radiation.

Protection Factors & Mass of Materials

*PF = “Protection Factor” refers to the ratio between the radiation dose rate of the OUTSIDE to that INSIDE the shelter, for instance a PF = 10 means that the inside dose rate is 1/10th the outside rate.

How Much Protection?

PF* Lead Steel Concrete Earth Water Wood
2 .3"" .7" 2.0" 3.3" 5" 9"
4 .5" 1.5" 5.0" 7.0" 10" 15"
8 1.0" 2.0" 6.5" 10.0" 15" 27"
16 1.2" 3.0" 9.0" 14.0" 20" 3 ft
32 1.5" 4.0" 12.0" 15.0" 2 ft 4 ft
64 2.0" 4.2" 13.2" 19.8" 2.5ft 4.5 ft
128 2.1" 5.0" 15.0" 2 ft 3 ft 5 ft
1000 3.0" 7.0" 22.0" 33.0" 4 ft -
2000 3.3" 7.7" 2 ft 3 ft 4.5 ft -

Outside radiation, divided by the Protection Factor, is reduced in proportion. For example, if the outside radiation rate is 1,000 R/hr, a person shielded by 3 ft. of earth would receive a dose rate of .5 R/hr. but a person shielded by 1 ft of earth would receive about 10 R/hr.

Sheltering at Home During an Emergency - For using a building without working utilities as shelter

Exhaust – candles, camp stoves, lanterns, generators,
heaters, charcoal grills, all generate carbon monoxide
and must not be used indoors!
Open flame – above ignition sources
must never be left unattended!
Fuel – most of the above require flammable fuels
to operate, which must be stored outdoors.
Use Fire Marshal approved fuel containers

Improvised Emergency Shelters
- As in all real estate, most important is location:

Avoid low spots with poor drainage
Seek a gently sloped area so that surface water drains away
Sheltered from prevailing winds
Away from bodies of water (attracts insects and animals)
Insulated from direct contact with ground, rock,
or concrete, which conducts away body heat.

Avoid as shelter:

Areas around downed utility lines
In or near culverts
Within the “collapse zone” of a damaged building
(maintain 2:1 ratio of distance away to building height)

Improvised Shelters:

Sheds
Tents
Tarps
Vehicles

Emergency Shelter Materials:
Salvage building materials from debris or
from damaged structures only when it can be done safely
TYVEK building wrap
Plastic sheeting
Roofing paper and shingles
Siding, plywood
Chain link fence
Lumber
Carpeting
Wire, rope, and fasteners

Build Your Shelter In Layers

Structural framing: lumber, plywood, fencing, metal
Fasteners: reinforce structural connections with nails, wire or rope ties, wooden spikes
Water and wind proofing: TYVEK, plastic sheeting, tarp, shingles, roofing paper
Insulation: drywall, leaves, tree branches, carpeting, (may also be used as ballast to hold water/wind proofing layer in place)

SIGNALLING

Day: Mirror flashes – best daylight signal device
Smoke
Brightly colored cloth flag / panel (VS-17 panel) http://www.bestglide.com/VS17_Signal_Panel_Marker.html
ICAO surface-to-air signals

V Require assistance
X Need medical assistance
Y Yes - affirmative
N No - negative
→ I am proceeding in this direction

Night: Flashing strobe light
Fire
Signal flares
Sound, i.e. whistle, siren, vehicle horn

FIRE:

Maintains body temperature
Great morale booster
Deters wild animals and insects
Boils water
Cooks food
Used as day (smoke)
or night (light) signal

FIRE MAKING METHODS Matches or lighter

Flint and steel (Doan Machinery Corp. Fire Starter)
Use cotton ball and petroleum jelly as tinder
Battery and steel wool
Fresnel lens

WATER SUPPLY - Minimum for drinking 1 gallon per person, per day

More water is needed for cooking and food preparation
Personal hygiene, sanitation and decontamination
Store a two week supply as minimum
Food grade containers with screw caps
Away from direct sunlight

EMERGENCY WATER SOURCES
Captive water in household hot water tank and interior plumbing is OK
Filter cloudy water to remove particulates, using an EPA-rated filter
with a pore size ≤ 1 micron, then:
Disinfect with Clorox (6% sodium hypochlorite) add 8 drops of Chlorox
bleach per gallon if clear, 16 drops if cloudy, let water stand 15 minutes before use
Or boil vigorously for 15 minutes
Store potable water in clean containers.

All natural sources (from springs, ponds, rivers or streams) must be boiled or chemically disinfected.

Chemical disinfection or boiling - Kills bacteria and viruses
Doesn’t remove particulates or chemical pollutants
Filtration - Coffee filters, etc. remove gross particulates only
EPA-rated filters (pore size smaller than 1 micron) are needed
to remove bacteria, viruses and Giardia cysts, but don’t remove chemical pollutants.
Distillation is the most effective method.

FOOD Lowest of the seven survival priorities

Need is mostly mental, because we are used to eating regularly
Healthy people will do OK without food for a week or more, if they are well hydrated
Balanced nutrition is a important health factor for elderly and infants.

SHELF LIFE OF FOOD STORED IN THE HOME

Food in a refrigerator is safe for a day after the power goes off, either cook and use in 24 hours or throw it away
Frozen food is safe if there are still ice crystals,
once thawed, cook and consume it within 24 hours
Next use non-perishables and dry staples
Canned foods are best for long term storage
(up to 4 years) but are heavy to transport and bulky to store
Dry packaged foods are easiest to transport
Choose foods requiring minimal preparation
Eat at least one balanced meal daily
Include nutritional supplements in supplies
Drink enough water.

EMERGENCY FOOD SUPPLIES
MREs, or Heater Meals®
Prepared survival rations - Mainstay 3600 or Seven Oceans

Primitive survival methods:
Fishing
Hunting
Trapping
Foraging

TOOLS AND EQUIPMENT

Folding utility knife or multi-tool
Scout type, Leatherman®, Swiss Army or Mil-K-818
Manual can opener, if there is not one on your utility pocket knife
Sturdy fixed blade, such as 5" Mil. Aircrew Survival Knife
For chopping, digging, or as pry bar
Shovel, Gerber field spade or similar
Hand saw, #7947 Fiskars Woodzig Pruning Saw, folding 10"
Axe

ESSENTIAL SUPPLIES

Each person should have their own backpack of personal essentials

Flashlight
Portable radio
Extra batteries
First Aid Kit, (containing a first aid manual)
Personal medications and sanitation supplies
Cooking and eating utensils
Wool blanket or sleeping bag for each person
Sturdy shoes and extra socks
Rain gear
Change of warm clothing and underwear
Items for special needs, care of infants

Evacuate or Stay? – Do you have a plan?

Where will you go?
Is it safe to travel?
Can you REALLY get there?
Do you have enough resources to make it work?
Warn friends not to invite others to come and evacuate with them
They’ll overwhelm your limited resources!
Never allow family members to be separated
Even if it means waiting for later rescue and/or evacuation
The well prepared may be threatened by those who weren't – get to know your neighbors NOW for a safer community later in case of a disaster
Make plans to ensure neighborhood security/family protection
Post guard in rotating shifts, to deter roving criminals or looters
Keep firearms and ammunition safely secured
Take a home firearms safety-protection course

COURSE SUMMARY:
Positive attitude – Stop Think Observe Plan
First Aid / Sanitation – Maintain proper hygiene, preserve family health, prevent illness or injury
Shelter – Protection from environmental hazards - use Time, Distance, Shielding
Signaling / Communication- be heard / seen
Fire – Warmth, light, food prep, water sterilization
Water – Prevent water-borne illnesses through filtration, chemical sterilization, boiling or distillation
Food – Eat at least one balanced meal daily, drink enough water, include nutritional supplements
Equipment- Flashlight, knife, saw, axe, shovel
Planning – Prepare a Kit, Make A Plan!
www.Ready.gov

For further information:

http://www.fema.gov/txt/library/f&web.txt
http://www.vaemergency.com/prepare/planning/index.cfm
http://www.ext.vt.edu/pubs/housing/356-479/356-479.html
http://www.dhmh.state.md.us/psa/riskmgt/disastersupplies.htm
http://solutionsforyourlife.ufl.edu/community_development/disaster_preparedness.html
http://www.dougritter.com/home.htm
http://www.cityofmemphis.org/pdf_forms/dirtyBlast.pdf
http://www.bt.cdc.gov/radiation/dirtybombs.asp
http://www.oism.org/nwss/s73p926.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survival_skills
http://www.nrahq.org/education/training/find.asp?State=VA&Type=HFS
 
I am doomed for sure. I do not even know what an MRE is.

I am on the local VFD, and we provide shelter for all who need it in an emergency. Perhaps get a portable scanner. This way you will be able to keep tabs on where Emergency Personnel are in the event you need to find help.
 
I am doomed for sure. I do not even know what an MRE is.

LOL!! I had never heard of MREs until a friend started buying some before Y2K.

I never get tired of reading posts on this topic as I usually get some new ideas. As others have said, don't read threads if they don't interest you.
 
Ah, how fascinating, especially as it drives one of us to a frenzy of hostility directed at those who offer different views.

Now, where shall we plan to be when we get the private signal notifying us that the S(will)HTF in 12 minutes? Well, an appreciable number of us will be trying on a new pair of trousers in a men's changing room at the mall. Others will be in the barber shop getting the works. One of us mght even be in a secluded arking space that his wife wouldn't find in a million years getting a surreptitious squeeze. We'll be instantly defragmentated and rephysicalized at wherever we keep our go bags and the whole 68 pounds of guns, ammo, and drinking water and off we'll go to comfort and long life somewhere in the hills.

Hey! We're good!
 
Isn’t it funny how some people have such a need of attention that they will say the most useless and unintelligent things just for some online attention? As was stated before nobody is forcing you to read or post here. If you have nothing to add that is a new idea then why are you wasting your time posting here? If your mommy isn’t talking to you anymore then sucks to be you. Stop wasting our time with posts like +1 or “use the search” …WE KNOW. :banghead: :cuss:
 
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