Got pulled over...strange question from LEO
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parsimonious_instead
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As a fellow NYer, I'd like your opinion: is it a good idea in our state to mention, during a traffic stop, any firearms that are cased and locked up for transport? Or only for a gun that is actually being worn?
As a fellow NYer, I'd like your opinion: is it a good idea in our state to mention, during a traffic stop, any firearms that are cased and locked up for transport? Or only for a gun that is actually being worn?
CRO MAGNON
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Well for you LEO's in other states, you rather lucky. When I run a persons check on my MDT all we get is a local check, tells us if the license is valid and runs them through FCIC/NCIC for wants and warrants.
Like BBUDDTEC said, action is faster than reaction and we awlays have to be on our ready. Even though I can legally carry in all 50 states because of my cert., I still paid for and are a current CCW holder in my state. I support the 2nd amendment and those who choose to exercise their freedoms. I personally cherish the thought of qualified individuals obtaining their CCW's. I do not look at it as a threat...because well over 95% of CCW's holders are good people and are responsible with firearms. Yes, there are those that slip through the cracks and shouldn't be carrying...but they are few and far between. After all, most police officers that are killed are by previous offenders (felons) with illegally obtained firearms.
I think that if more people would exercise their rights to get a CCW, scumbags would start reconsidering doing violent crimes to others. Once it gets around that CCW holders are shooting and killing violent offenders when deadly force is warranted, they will start thinking about it. So, to those of you who have your CCW in whatever state you may be in, good for you...tell a buddy or family member and get them involved. After all, when we stop exercising our 2nd amendment rights, it will be easier for us to loose them.
And to answer the original poster's question, I would have asked you the caliber for two reasons: One, because I am curious and would have loved to chat with you for a few about your firearm...cause that's the kind of guy I am....and Two, because if you would have told me it was a 9mm or .40 or something like that (with the exception of a very few revolvers) red flags would have been raised and I would keep inquiring.
Personally when I stop a CCW holder, IF they tell me I first ask the location of it, then if it's chambered, then what caliber...if it all sounds legit, I will request to see it and hold onto it until my stop is finished...not to be rude, but just to be safe...then I would give it back to you, tell you thank you and to continue on about your day! It's as simple as that! Oh and just remember, were not out to get you and were not all a-holes, most of those who act defensively usually DO have something to hide.
Like BBUDDTEC said, action is faster than reaction and we awlays have to be on our ready. Even though I can legally carry in all 50 states because of my cert., I still paid for and are a current CCW holder in my state. I support the 2nd amendment and those who choose to exercise their freedoms. I personally cherish the thought of qualified individuals obtaining their CCW's. I do not look at it as a threat...because well over 95% of CCW's holders are good people and are responsible with firearms. Yes, there are those that slip through the cracks and shouldn't be carrying...but they are few and far between. After all, most police officers that are killed are by previous offenders (felons) with illegally obtained firearms.
I think that if more people would exercise their rights to get a CCW, scumbags would start reconsidering doing violent crimes to others. Once it gets around that CCW holders are shooting and killing violent offenders when deadly force is warranted, they will start thinking about it. So, to those of you who have your CCW in whatever state you may be in, good for you...tell a buddy or family member and get them involved. After all, when we stop exercising our 2nd amendment rights, it will be easier for us to loose them.
And to answer the original poster's question, I would have asked you the caliber for two reasons: One, because I am curious and would have loved to chat with you for a few about your firearm...cause that's the kind of guy I am....and Two, because if you would have told me it was a 9mm or .40 or something like that (with the exception of a very few revolvers) red flags would have been raised and I would keep inquiring.
Personally when I stop a CCW holder, IF they tell me I first ask the location of it, then if it's chambered, then what caliber...if it all sounds legit, I will request to see it and hold onto it until my stop is finished...not to be rude, but just to be safe...then I would give it back to you, tell you thank you and to continue on about your day! It's as simple as that! Oh and just remember, were not out to get you and were not all a-holes, most of those who act defensively usually DO have something to hide.
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1stmarine
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In some counties after your plate is entered it shows what firearms you have registered and what caliber so it is a way to verify if your answer matches with the computer's data. Very simple.
Why? Do you have anything to hide?
Why wouldn't you give an officer everything they need in order to make the public and themselves safer?
Regarding using weapon vs firearm word is a little detail that might not mean much to some but means something to a lot of officers about your firearms(weapons?) education and potential attitude.
I posted this in case anyone wants to learn something if they feel like it.
Why? Do you have anything to hide?
Why wouldn't you give an officer everything they need in order to make the public and themselves safer?
Regarding using weapon vs firearm word is a little detail that might not mean much to some but means something to a lot of officers about your firearms(weapons?) education and potential attitude.
I posted this in case anyone wants to learn something if they feel like it.
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Okay, I gotta jump on that one. YES, he has something to hide. That something is EVERYTHING that is none of the State's business. Step lightly when you play the "something to hide?" card. Sounds like something one would say just before an unwarranted search/seizure.
I got pulled over shortly after receiving my CCW about 7 years ago...I completely forgot to mention the permit, but in Ohio, it is as redundant as showing your registration, as it is tagged to your plates. The cop, (County Deputy) asked if I had anything on me, and I said no I didn't have anything on me, but wasn't sure if there was one in the truck or not, ( I know not very responsible), and he asked if I did have something in the truck where would it be, I responded, in the glovebox, his reply..." Don't reach for the glovebox, and I won't worry about it", he went back to his cruiser, and came back and gave me a verbal warning
...85 in a 55, did the CCW help me out? I'd like to think so, cause I should have prolly went to jail that night...
...85 in a 55, did the CCW help me out? I'd like to think so, cause I should have prolly went to jail that night...altitude_19
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Tricky subject there. I like a friendly cop, but I also know they may act friendly to get you to incriminate yourself (often without you knowing it). So I'm polite with them, but don't make small talk about anything pertaining to me. We might talk about the weather, the Huskers game, etc. But the second he tries making small talk about me, I generally clam up, or ask if I'm free to go.
mljdeckard
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This is the part where I get out of tickets. If they are a gun guy, and they are curious, they aren't usually interested in giving you a ticket after they have talked opinions with you.
Every time a cop pulls you over for something routine, he's hoping it will turn into something more. He hopes to smell booze on you, that you will have an outstanding warrant, that your plates won't match up, something like that. He's HOPING that he will get a felony arrest out of it. I know cops who made their careers by having a talent to sniff out shady people by their vehicles, and shadow them to watch them roll through a stop sign so that they can stop them, and make a collar. As soon as he sees your carry permit, he knows that he won't have any more fun with you, because it's extremely unlikely that you are going to give him any more reason to pick you up. In my case, they relax, talk about guns for a minute, and let me go. Of course, I've been pulled over maybe three times in the last ten years, no tickets.
Every time a cop pulls you over for something routine, he's hoping it will turn into something more. He hopes to smell booze on you, that you will have an outstanding warrant, that your plates won't match up, something like that. He's HOPING that he will get a felony arrest out of it. I know cops who made their careers by having a talent to sniff out shady people by their vehicles, and shadow them to watch them roll through a stop sign so that they can stop them, and make a collar. As soon as he sees your carry permit, he knows that he won't have any more fun with you, because it's extremely unlikely that you are going to give him any more reason to pick you up. In my case, they relax, talk about guns for a minute, and let me go. Of course, I've been pulled over maybe three times in the last ten years, no tickets.
outlook ranch
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In Texas, where we have the castle law, mostly the cops in my end of the state just don't ask anymore. They used to ask. In west Texas, packing is just a way of life, and I guess the LEO's just assume we all have one, or more, and we do. I have LEO's in the immediate family, and the fact is they all love guns as much as we do. I suspect they were gun owners before they became cops. Virtually everyone in my house packs.....
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1stmarine- All the more reason to fight against firearm registration.
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rondog, Colorado:
I'm not sure of the date, but at least Jeffco and Boulder changed the permit to read "Concealed Handgun," not "Concealed Weapon." I suspect this is statewide, but I'm not sure.
And the statute cited on your "weapons" permit specifically refers to handguns anyhow, so don't go wandering around with a concealed RPG or something.
On mine, it used to read "Jefferson County Sheriff" in big red letters across the top, but that's gone now too, in my renewal license.
So don't be surprised if there these changes show up on your renewal.
Supposedly, we're moving toward a permitless system in Colorado, but I haven't been following the progress of that law since I don't expect it to get to the Governor's desk. And if it does, Governor Hickenlooper, who was a Democrat "big city" Mayor, and is probably being groomed for higher office, will probably veto it "if he knows what's good for him."
I hope I'm wrong, and feel free to tell me so, but that's the way it looks to me.
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I'm not sure of the date, but at least Jeffco and Boulder changed the permit to read "Concealed Handgun," not "Concealed Weapon." I suspect this is statewide, but I'm not sure.
And the statute cited on your "weapons" permit specifically refers to handguns anyhow, so don't go wandering around with a concealed RPG or something.
On mine, it used to read "Jefferson County Sheriff" in big red letters across the top, but that's gone now too, in my renewal license.
So don't be surprised if there these changes show up on your renewal.
Supposedly, we're moving toward a permitless system in Colorado, but I haven't been following the progress of that law since I don't expect it to get to the Governor's desk. And if it does, Governor Hickenlooper, who was a Democrat "big city" Mayor, and is probably being groomed for higher office, will probably veto it "if he knows what's good for him."
I hope I'm wrong, and feel free to tell me so, but that's the way it looks to me.
Terry, 230RN
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hapidogbreath
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Been LEO for 17 years. Like to know whats out there and on the off hand chance meet someone who is a gun nut as well. Made some good friends on stops just through conversation. Not all us Boys in Blue are out to get ya.
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When the officer walks up, scream "I have a gun" so he can hear you over the traffic noises. Pull it out of the holster or hiding place, as fast as you can. And shove it out the window at him so he can get a good look at it.
That will get his attention!
And if anybody thinks I am serious, youre nuts.
That will get his attention!
And if anybody thinks I am serious, youre nuts.
Jonah71
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I'd say this is correct. The same thing has happened to me when in line at the grocery store and a few other places around town. i have yet to speak with any LEO around here who does not support CCW.
I was in Arizona traveling with my wife through the White Mountain Apache area. Pulled over to watch wild turkeys feeding about 40 yards away. Next thing I know a patrol officer from the tribe is behind me asking why I am stopped. I had my wallet out and laying on dash. I told him I had a CC permit and gave it and my liscense to him when he asked. About that time he noticed my shorty 20ga in the back seat. I told him I rebuilt single shot 20ga for some of my Navajo neices. Nothing is in a hurry on the reservation and we talked for almost a 1/2 hour and he had an intrest in what and how I had done to the shotgun. He had a 12 guage single he was tinking about converting. As my wife said later she never thought that an Apache cop would take so much time and intrest in an off road Jeep gun. She also says I talk to much
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if it was a regular cop, county city , just curiousity , Trooper , just wants to annoy you , he stopped you so your guilty , with this time and the economy its a shame troopers are out nailing people and handing out $200 tickets , you got lucky , probably was a city or county guy !
lightman
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I expect it was just idle curiosity.Maybe he is planning to buy another handgun,could be any number of reasons.
In Arkansas,you are required to tell them if you are carrying,when stopped.I hand them my DL and carry permit at the same time.It seems to carry a good deal of "weight",you can actually see their defense relax a little,as they know that you have been checked out every which way.Not that I get stopped a lot,maybe 2 or 3 times in 10 years,some of those were even sobriety check points.Glad you did not get the ticket. Lightman
In Arkansas,you are required to tell them if you are carrying,when stopped.I hand them my DL and carry permit at the same time.It seems to carry a good deal of "weight",you can actually see their defense relax a little,as they know that you have been checked out every which way.Not that I get stopped a lot,maybe 2 or 3 times in 10 years,some of those were even sobriety check points.Glad you did not get the ticket. Lightman
brooksironworks
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polite warning .. your not from Massachusetts !
Really? That's what all cops are after? Bull*****.
You know what I'm after when I'm working? Voluntary compliance. I want people to follow the law of their own accord. I don't want to write anyone or arrest them unless the violation is such that that I don't have a choice. If I have to interact with you "professionally" I would much prefer that the experience be a reminder that there are rules and that if you continue to break the rules it's going to cost you. If that causes you to think and maybe choose not to break the rules in the future, I've done my job.
fastbolt
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Probably a combination of polite curiosity mixed with some officer safety ...
After all, where it comes to facing fire from a 5-shot revolver there's a bit of a difference between a .38 Spl and a .500 S&W Magnum.
After all, where it comes to facing fire from a 5-shot revolver there's a bit of a difference between a .38 Spl and a .500 S&W Magnum.
RichBMW
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I've been pulled over twice on my motorcycle. In one case the officer wanted to know how I liked my BMW because he was considering purchasing one. In the other, the cop liked my fluorescent green mesh motorcycle jacket and wanted to know where he could buy one.
I think the cop who inquired about your handgun's caliber was just curious. Aren't we all?
I think the cop who inquired about your handgun's caliber was just curious. Aren't we all?
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