spankaveli
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IMO and from what understand, handing them your permit is notification. The officer might have been having a bad day.
Pulled over today for first time while carrying.
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I got pulled over speeding last week here in Lubbock, Texas, and the cop came to my window and asked to see my driver's license (only my DL, not insurance, which is really odd in TX). I handed him my DL, CHL & Insurance all together, and he looked at my CHL & insurance card, handed them back, and said, 'thanks, I'll be right back.' He never ran my tags, checked my inspection, or anything else. He came back had me sign the ticket, thanked me for my courtesey, and that was it.
He didn't ask if I was carrying or anything. He was totally unphased by the CHL. I wish all cops would be like that.
I WAS speeding, so I have nobody to complain about but myself as far as the ticket goes.
He didn't ask if I was carrying or anything. He was totally unphased by the CHL. I wish all cops would be like that.
I WAS speeding, so I have nobody to complain about but myself as far as the ticket goes.
Also in Ohio. My first and only stop while carrying was last summer. I already had my window down and my wallet out by the time the officer started to approach. As he did so, I said, "Hello. I have a concealed carry permit and the gun is locked in the glove box. What would you like me to do?" He didn't ask to see the permit, I guess he believed that I had one. He just told me to stay away from the glove box and went about the business of giving the citation. He was very cool about it and thanked me for informing him.
I did ask about running the plates. He said that it would have come up as an alert--just as if I was wanted. He'd have to go a couple of screens deep on his computer to find out the alert was for a CCW.
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I did ask about running the plates. He said that it would have come up as an alert--just as if I was wanted. He'd have to go a couple of screens deep on his computer to find out the alert was for a CCW.
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stellaone
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A good friend of mine is a detective in one of the major cities in my area. He's been in LE for 30 years. He said that cops are often less likely to issue a speeding ticket to citizens with carry permits because it is such a hassle having them get out of the vehicle and processing the permit and weapon (I live in Florida). I have not experienced it myself, as yet.... but it was a big reason for his urging me to get a permit to carry.
You must notify them that you are armed. That piece of paper just gives you the right to carry, but doesn't say you have the firearm with you. Nothing is to be assumed. You must verbally notify the LEO that you are armed. He can't assume you know and understand your rights as he arrests you.
This has been happening a lot in Ohio.
I have to wonder if there is some kind of LEO push going on to cause a stir as there is a house bill to remove this requirement of motor vehicle transportation.
My buddy was stopped and he wasn't carrying.
So he said nothing about it.
Thats within Ohio law.
The trooper went ballistic and yelled at him that he needed to inform him that he is a CHL holder even if he isn't carrying ( thats wrong) and he made him "assume the position"
Makes one wonder ?
spankaveli
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i'm confused about the ohio permits. you have a concealed permit but it has to stay locked away while you're in your car? how are you supposed to get to it to protect yourself if necessary?
It is really messed up
Locked up or in a holster "in plain view"
makes a lot of concealed holsters worthless if you travel by car.
Plus to make things worse if stoped you aren't allowed to even touch the gun -- so if you pull out the holster so it can be "in plain view" you have just broke the law.
Like I said the law is screwball .
Locked up or in a holster "in plain view"
makes a lot of concealed holsters worthless if you travel by car.
Plus to make things worse if stoped you aren't allowed to even touch the gun -- so if you pull out the holster so it can be "in plain view" you have just broke the law.
Like I said the law is screwball .
BsChoy
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What is legally required where you are?
I am a cop in New York and as far as I know there is no rule anywhere in NY that makes notification of carrying concealed to LE on a traffic stop mandatory or compulsory. I have stopped hundereds of vehicles and not one person has ever told me this. I would however expect a full warning if the gun is in the glove box with the registration. Any way why would it be in the glovebox if you have a CC permit? It should be on your person right?
I am a cop in New York and as far as I know there is no rule anywhere in NY that makes notification of carrying concealed to LE on a traffic stop mandatory or compulsory. I have stopped hundereds of vehicles and not one person has ever told me this. I would however expect a full warning if the gun is in the glove box with the registration. Any way why would it be in the glovebox if you have a CC permit? It should be on your person right?
When Ohio went to CHL the Ohio State Patrol was dead against it.
Officer safety was their reason.
So this stupid clause was written into it so the Gov. would sign it.
After a couple years with no incidents a house bill was introduced to have CCW make a little more sense.
The republicans in the Senate will not sign it ?
Taft is a lame duck Gov. now he might sign it ......... politics .
Any it is really dumb because say I was to ride my motorcycle to be legal I would have to open carry with a CHL ?
spankaveli
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so, if i understand correctly, you can have your weapon concealed but when you get in your car, it has to be locked or in plain view? 
thank god for my car being an extension of my home in LA.
thank god for my car being an extension of my home in LA.
spankaveli
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what's the difference between a cop pulling over and a cop approaching you on foot?
quite ludicrous.
quite ludicrous.
Same applies if contact is made with any LEO you have to inform him you are carrying. But if on foot it don't have to be in plain view.
As I am retired LEO when a buddy sees me and stops me to talk I have to tell him I am carrying or I have just broke the law.
Makes me feel stupid, but they understand I hope.
As I am retired LEO when a buddy sees me and stops me to talk I have to tell him I am carrying or I have just broke the law.
Makes me feel stupid, but they understand I hope.
Ohio sounds odd.
Like Ohio, in Texas, you don't (legally) have to disclose your CHL if you aren't carrying, but our CHL is issued by the DPS (as opposed to the State Bureau of Investigation, as in many states), so when the LEO runs a check for warrants, notice will pop up that you are a CHL holder. If you haven't notified him, he will likely NOT be pleased. And to be quite honest, most CHL holders know the CHL laws better than the cops. Full disclosure is the best policy.
Also, in Texas, and I'm sure any other state, a CHL (by statute) is automatic probable cause to search your vehicle. So if you have a CHL they can really jack with you if they want to. They also have the right to take your weapon while you are stopped (and they don't have to give it back to you assembled). It all depends on the LEO.
Like Ohio, in Texas, you don't (legally) have to disclose your CHL if you aren't carrying, but our CHL is issued by the DPS (as opposed to the State Bureau of Investigation, as in many states), so when the LEO runs a check for warrants, notice will pop up that you are a CHL holder. If you haven't notified him, he will likely NOT be pleased. And to be quite honest, most CHL holders know the CHL laws better than the cops. Full disclosure is the best policy.
Also, in Texas, and I'm sure any other state, a CHL (by statute) is automatic probable cause to search your vehicle. So if you have a CHL they can really jack with you if they want to. They also have the right to take your weapon while you are stopped (and they don't have to give it back to you assembled). It all depends on the LEO.
Ferrari308
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There's no way I'm yelling that out the window when a police officer pulls me over. I don't want the police officer to think it is a nut yelling something aggresive.
About the Ohio law. We *know* it's goofy. It was a compromise to get CCW passed over the objection of our great gov. Bob Taft and the Ohio Highway Patrol. The law says that if you are CCW, the gun must be *either* carried in plain sight on your person--such as in an elastic thigh holster, *or* locked in the glove box or other secured box.
Pro CCW groups are trying to get the law modified to allow concealed carry on your person while in a car, but that is not likely to happen unless we get a governor who is willing to go against the OHP on this issue. That would be tough for any governor to do.
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Pro CCW groups are trying to get the law modified to allow concealed carry on your person while in a car, but that is not likely to happen unless we get a governor who is willing to go against the OHP on this issue. That would be tough for any governor to do.
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No need to shout, "I've got a gun, etc" You adjust your attitude, greet the officer in a friendly and professional manner, and inform him/her you are a CCW permit holder and that you have a weapon and its location. Then ask how he/she would like you to proceed.
Simple.
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Simple.
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JR719
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I've stopped many people that have CC. So long as they don't want to show it off, I don't really care they have a weapon.
The only downside to stopping someone that has a weapon, is when signing time begins. You never know when someone will get angry about a ticket, if they are a "hot head" and armed...
I have found that holders of the permit are mainly respectful and the stop uneventful. I don't know if they are worried about having the weapon (who cares, they are legal) or if it's luck of the draw getting a calm person.
If a bolo was out and you and your vehicle matched a description, the weapon would be taken away until it is determined you are not who is being looked for.
The only downside to stopping someone that has a weapon, is when signing time begins. You never know when someone will get angry about a ticket, if they are a "hot head" and armed...
I have found that holders of the permit are mainly respectful and the stop uneventful. I don't know if they are worried about having the weapon (who cares, they are legal) or if it's luck of the draw getting a calm person.
If a bolo was out and you and your vehicle matched a description, the weapon would be taken away until it is determined you are not who is being looked for.
so recieving extra scruitiny because your black is "profiling and racist" ( im definatyl not saying it isnt racist.) but having the same warning on a police computor for a CCW holder as a wanted felon is "keeping the community safe"
makes me sick... actualy thats the eggs i had for breakfast... ugh.
Hoppy--
To be fair, I don't remember exactly how he described it to me. Perhaps it's as simple as saying the plates come back flagged when run. That might mean wanted, or expired license, or CCW. It just means the officer has to dig deeper on his computer to find the exact reason for the flag. With different software, maybe that information could come up immediately, which would be a better system IMO.
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To be fair, I don't remember exactly how he described it to me. Perhaps it's as simple as saying the plates come back flagged when run. That might mean wanted, or expired license, or CCW. It just means the officer has to dig deeper on his computer to find the exact reason for the flag. With different software, maybe that information could come up immediately, which would be a better system IMO.
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