Got pulled over...strange question from LEO

[HorseSoldier]

Sometimes a question is just a question.

 

[fastbolt]

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not at 2 feet there isnt.

Depends what your armor is rated to stop.

The blunt trauma effect can vary between those 2 cartridges, as well, even wearing suitably rated armor.

 

[brboyer]

Well for you LEO's in other states, you rather lucky. When I run a persons check on my MDT all we get is a local check, tells us if the license is valid and runs them through FCIC/NCIC for wants and warrants. As a CCW holder in Florida, it is your duty to tell the officer in those instances (traffic stop, etc.) that you are a current CCW carrier and that you have a weapon in the vehicle. It doesn't mean that everyone does, but most will.

Like BBUDDTEC said, action is faster than reaction and we awlays have to be on our ready. Even though I can legally carry in all 50 states because of my cert., I still paid for and are a current CCW holder in my state. I support the 2nd amendment and those who choose to exercise their freedoms. I personally cherish the thought of qualified individuals obtaining their CCW's. I do not look at it as a threat...because well over 95% of CCW's holders are good people and are responsible with firearms. Yes, there are those that slip through the cracks and shouldn't be carrying...but they are few and far between. After all, most police officers that are killed are by previous offenders (felons) with illegally obtained firearms.

I think that if more people would exercise their rights to get a CCW, scumbags would start reconsidering doing violent crimes to others. Once it gets around that CCW holders are shooting and killing violent offenders when deadly force is warranted, they will start thinking about it. So, to those of you who have your CCW in whatever state you may be in, good for you...tell a buddy or family member and get them involved. After all, when we stop exercising our 2nd amendment rights, it will be easier for us to loose them.

And to answer the original poster's question, I would have asked you the caliber for two reasons: One, because I am curious and would have loved to chat with you for a few about your firearm...cause that's the kind of guy I am....and Two, because if you would have told me it was a 9mm or .40 or something like that (with the exception of a very few revolvers) red flags would have been raised and I would keep inquiring.

Personally when I stop a CCW holder, IF they tell me I first ask the location of it, then if it's chambered, then what caliber...if it all sounds legit, I will request to see it and hold onto it until my stop is finished...not to be rude, but just to be safe...then I would give it back to you, tell you thank you and to continue on about your day! It's as simple as that! Oh and just remember, were not out to get you and were not all a-holes, most of those who act defensively usually DO have something to hide.

As a CCW holder in Florida, it is your duty to tell the officer in those instances (traffic stop, etc.) that you are a current CCW carrier and that you have a weapon in the vehicle.

Uh, no it's not.

It doesn't mean that everyone does, but most will.

How could you or anyone else possibly know this?

 

[baylorattorney]

He's prolly worried his vest may be inadequate.

 

[toivo]

As a fellow NYer, I'd like your opinion: is it a good idea in our state to mention, during a traffic stop, any firearms that are cased and locked up for transport? Or only for a gun that is actually being worn?

Please don't take this as legal advice (I'm not a lawyer, etc.), but we were told in the pre-permit safety class that there is no requirement to inform in NY State. According to the instructor (this was about three years ago), a LEO in NY can't tell you have a CCW just by running your plate. His advice was to use your own judgment for a regular traffic stop, but if for any reason the officer asks you to step out of the vehicle, you should inform, for your own safety.

EDIT TO ADD: Just more anecdotal stuff, but a guy at my club was pulled over on the way home one day and informed the officer that he had cased handguns in the back of the car. The officer said "Thanks," gave him a tail-light warning, and that was that.

 

[Ironclad]

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Originally Posted by mljdeckard View Post
This is the part where I get out of tickets. If they are a gun guy, and they are curious, they aren't usually interested in giving you a ticket after they have talked opinions with you.

Every time a cop pulls you over for something routine, he's hoping it will turn into something more. He hopes to smell booze on you, that you will have an outstanding warrant, that your plates won't match up, something like that. He's HOPING that he will get a felony arrest out of it. I know cops who made their careers by having a talent to sniff out shady people by their vehicles, and shadow them to watch them roll through a stop sign so that they can stop them, and make a collar. As soon as he sees your carry permit, he knows that he won't have any more fun with you, because it's extremely unlikely that you are going to give him any more reason to pick you up. In my case, they relax, talk about guns for a minute, and let me go. Of course, I've been pulled over maybe three times in the last ten years, no tickets.

Really? That's what all cops are after? Bull*****.

You know what I'm after when I'm working? Voluntary compliance. I want people to follow the law of their own accord. I don't want to write anyone or arrest them unless the violation is such that that I don't have a choice. If I have to interact with you "professionally" I would much prefer that the experience be a reminder that there are rules and that if you continue to break the rules it's going to cost you. If that causes you to think and maybe choose not to break the rules in the future, I've done my job.

I think what he is saying is that most cops would rather spend their time taking real, dangerous criminals off the street instead of just hassling a guy who happened to be going 10 over. They don't want to put someone who doesn't deserve it away, but they want the person who they pulled over to be one of the people who do need put away. One more BG in jail where he belongs.


Thats how I took it at least

It seems reasonable to me. Every time I have ever been pulled over, it has been late at night driving through the small town between my girlfriend's house and my house. The officer has always told me he pulled me over for going over the 30 mph speed limit, or for a taillight, or for touching the white line, but usually once they see I'm sober they just send me on my way with a verbal warning or just saying "be safe tonight".

 

[Balrog]

Sometimes a question is just a question.

Right... and sometimes, and answer is just an answer. But when you are talking to police, then "anything you say can and will be used against you". Its not like talking to a friend, no matter how friendly he seems. Plus, I don't really care to chat with someone who is fixing to stick me with a couple hundred dollars in fines.

 

[M-Cameron]

I think what he is saying is that most cops would rather spend their time taking real, dangerous criminals off the street instead of just hassling a guy who happened to be going 10 over. They don't want to put someone who doesn't deserve it away, but they want the person who they pulled over to be one of the people who do need put away. One more BG in jail where he belongs.

Thats how I took it at least

tell that to brian aitken......

 

[jmr40]

Well, are you going to tell us what caliber or not. He probably wanted to know for the same reason I do.

 

[dayid]

As a CCW holder in Florida, it is your duty to tell the officer in those instances (traffic stop, etc.) that you are a current CCW carrier and that you have a weapon in the vehicle.

100% wrong. Please stop spreading such rumours, or attach a statute when you do (attempt to) quote law.

 

[BADUNAME37]

It could have been everything that everyone has stated or it could have been nothing, no way to know unless we call the guy and ask him.

I'm glad he let you go with a warning. I suppose if the officer asked me what gun I might be carrying, if I said "my 4" 500 Magnum" - he might say something like, Really?, do you mind if I take a look at it (in which case, I would have no problem showing him, heck I would let him shoot it if he had his hearing protection with him)!

Or, like others stated, some people would not know a five shot revolver from a semi-auto 1911! If you are into guns enough to be carrying and having a license to carry, one would think you would know your gun! If he had asked to see it and you pulled out a 1911, he might have told you to not move and slowly get out of the car with your hands in the air!

 

[harmon rabb]

Sounds like he was into guns and just interested / looking to strike up a conversation about it.

 

[CRO MAGNON]

I am sorry for providing bad information. I knew that it wasn't a law and never claimed it was a "law". I also wasn't attempting to "qoute" law as you say. I simply thought it was a violation of your concealed weapons license contract...like a civil infraction. But I thought like lead and I was incorrect. I will remove that from my original post and appologize. I wasn't trying to spread a rumor so chill out.

 

[mljdeckard]

WC145,

I DO follow the rules. I don't speed. I come to complete stops. The few times I have been pulled over in the last ten years, it was for things like, a taillight I didn't know was missing. And I'm not making up the notion that police use traffic violations as a pretext for stops looking for more serious charges. When I was younger, I was considering going the cop route, and a good friend of mine was in his training, and got hired in a rural PD, I did a lot of ride-alongs with him and his chief. If it weren't for those stops, they would make very few felony arrests, and he trained his officers to look for these opportunities. I am glad that police are smart enough to use minor violations as a tool to find and arrest more serious criminals. Who's complaining?

 

[GRIZ22]

In some counties after your plate is entered it shows what firearms you have registered and what caliber so it is a way to verify if your answer matches with the computer's data. Very simple.


Where would this be? Just curious.

 

[parsimonious_instead]

Toivo:

I promise not to construe your response as legal advice.

Thanks for the reply.

 

[gym]

There is no duty to inform in FL for a traffic stop for a ccw holder. Read the laws, you can google it I re posted it in another thread this past week.

 

[PATH]

toivo, I would have to say as a fellpw New Yorker you are spot on in your advice!

 

[au01st]

1stmarine: Why? Do you have anything to hide?
Why wouldn't you give an officer everything they need in order to make the public and themselves safer?

Hehe, good try. I've had LEO's pull that on me before as I crack the window 1/4" to slide my license out and refuse a search of my car (late at night picking up idiot friends from a party so they wouldn't have to drive home). Long story short I drove away (after receiving a verbal warning for not pausing 2sec at a stop sign) and had a patrol car follow me til I pulled through the gated entrance at the front of the neighborhood...


Then, to make the public and the officer "safer", you're getting into the perception of safety vs. actual safety. How is the officer any more/less safe knowing if/what I'm carrying? He may "feel safer" but if he was never in danger in the first place, is he actually safer? How is the public safer?

 

[danite]

even the dollar bill says legal tender for PRIVATE and public business.whose house are they going to first if they go austrailian on us and start taking them

 

[Fastcast]

There is a better way to say it: I have a firearm in my possession and a permit that allows me to carry it.

Better yet...How about a simple: "I have a CCL and I'm armed."

 

[Dain Bramage]

He's a Soviet sleeper agent, ala "Telefon", seeking his activation code.

If the answer is ".32 S&W Long", he dives deep and resurfaces across the country with a new identity.

"8x27R Lebel revolver" and a Krispy Kreme sitting at a former Bomarc site on Hwy 40 gets taken out with a suitcase nuke.

 

[MD_Willington]

Our Marshal is like that, he likes 1911's, my neighbor and him did a discreet "hey let me see yours and you can see mine".. Both carry Kimber 1911's IIRC, yep slow day in town..

 

[-v-]

Had State Highway patrolman ask me a similar question. LEOs are people too, and some are gun enthusiasts. He was just trying to keep a friendly atmosphere to the encounter, and nothing more.

 

[Balrog]

Had State Highway patrolman ask me a similar question. LEOs are people too, and some are gun enthusiasts. He was just trying to keep a friendly atmosphere to the encounter, and nothing more.

It would be more friendly if he wouldn't write a ticket.