Gun Bigotry

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Lets face it some of you out there are gun bigots. No I did not mean to say gun snobs. Gun Snobs have to have what they percieve to be the best because of its price tag or cache'. A gun bigot, as far as I am concerned, is someone that hates a particular type or brand of gun.

I think it probably started with so called assault rifles which we now refer to as "evil black rifles". I am sure psychologists all over the world have a ball with the pairing of the words evil and black, but lets not go that deep. You either love them or "hate" them. Some of the more traditional "Blued steel and Walnut guys", I have met really do hate them. Then came the Glock which brought this hatred to a whole new level. Traditionalists around the world could not, would not, believe that a "plastic pistol" could be more reliable than their favorite steel and wood handgun. They hated them for their looks and the fact that they were plastic, etc. The pure definition of bigotry. Forget the facts that they were cheap to produce and function flawlessly out of the box. Ironically, some of those same people love the Ak for those very reasons.

Brand hatred may be the most common form of gun bigotry yet. The mere mention of Taurus, Olympic, Savage, Ruger, Glock, etc. will send the brand haters into a keyboard pounding frenzy. There are guys out their who cruise the boards looking for posts that mention the object of their hatred. Lately, I have noticed this most with Taurus. There a couple guys, whose names I will not mention, that jump on every Taurus post just to condemn them. They even go to forums soley dedicated to Taurus firearms to do this. I attribute a lot of this hatred to the fact that they cannot believe that a reasonably priced gun could be as good or better than their much more expensive 1911. Every time someone has a problem with a Taurus you hear, "see I told not to buy that piece of junk". If, however, someone should have a problem with their favorite brand, it is inevitably due to "much tighter tolerances" or a "neccesary 500 round break in period". What BS. The double standards of these appologists are so glaring that a blind man can see them.

I love all guns :D, true, I love some more than others but, in my mind, they all have their place, as long as they are reliable. If they are not reliable then I don't have much use for them. There are some guns out that don't work well for me like the Springfield XD. I bought one and could not wait to sell it. I don't hate it, it worked but, it was just not for me so I don't badmouth them. In fact, I often recomend that people give them a try. I guess the reason that I wrote this is because I am really starting to get peaved at all the people who have nothing better to do than put down a particular type or brand of gun because they had a problem with that company 10 years ago. Worse yet are the guys that never even owned one but might have known someone who did who had a problem. Face it, there are many companies out there who provide a good or great product at a reasonable price. The ones that come immediately to mind are Savage, Glock, Ruger, Kel-Tec and Taurus. Do they all have their problems, sure, but so do Kimber, Colt, Remington Smith etc. I know this because I have owned all of them.
 
I like form and function, regardless of metal, finish, color, etc.

And successful use and operation through the years tends to re enforce what types of weapons I gravitate to.

That and cost.
 
Most folk offering strongly negative opinions are not really bigots - they just want to been seen as having an opinion, and they hope that the louder and more dramatic they are, the more likely it is that folk will think that they know something.

They usually don't.

You can often tell the depths of someone's experiences by the way that they describe them. Loudness and drama usually equate to a lack of knowledge and experience.
 
I'm with you CZ223, I have guns I wanted because as a child I thought they were cool,I have guns that were given as gifts, and guns I've bought recently (The Judge) because I believe it makes a good SD gun. I have Ruger, Tauras, Mossburg, Winchester, and many others and like you CZ love them all for whatever reason. The ones I love the most are my wifes, the more she has, the more I have:)
 
If, however, someone should have a problem with their favorite brand, it is inevitably due to "much tighter tolerances" or a "neccesary 500 round break in period". What BS. The double standards of these appologists are so glaring that a blind man can see them.
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What about brands like Kimber, Para and others that state in the owners manual a clearly defined 400-500 round "break in period"?
 
i despise most foreign guns and especially the AK, simply because it killed so many of my American patriot brothers.

this is for the AK and those who think it is so great.
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Ummm, do you know how often our US service men and women have used an AK to save their asses?

First, even not looking at direct combat, which I will, training of foreign forces by Americans focused on the AK. This contributes greatly to your security bud.

In direct combat, Vietnam prooved that an AK in that environment beat the M16 which was blamed for lack of ability in this environment to be reliable. US soldiers would carry the AK with no problems, and get targets that the M16 could reach through. American Special Forces are able to carry them as well when ammo is available in the region. I think we can safely say while the AK was Russian, the USA adopted it.
 
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... i despise most foreign guns and especially the AK, simply because it killed so many of my American patriot brothers.
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It didn't. Enemy soldiers or guerrillas/terrorists/"insurgents" did. And the favored weapon of the current crop is not a firearm at all, but the IED, usually a roadside bomb.
 
Lets face it some of you out there are gun apologists. No matter how real or relevant the person who is explaining why THEY don't like that gun is, you dismiss their complaints as 'it must be due to an irrational hate of that company'

I attribute a lot of this hatred to the fact that they cannot believe that a reasonably priced gun could be better than their cheap purchase. Every time someone has a problem with a Taurus you hear, "Every maker turns out a lemon on occasion!" or "Even expensive brand X one time had a similar failure!" If, however, someone should have a problem with their favorite brand, the applogist immediately goes on the warpath, chanting on about how the expensive brand is crap and the buyer was a fool not to get a cheap gun. The appologist never looks at the FREQUENCY of fail rate for that model, or how many rounds the gun digested before a problem cropped up What BS.

Furthermore, these applogists like to compare apples to oranges. The applogist has gun brand X which has a 0.01% failure to feed, yet shoots 4" groups at 25 yards, which he brings up as 'just as good and just as reliable as brand Y which has a 0.01% but gets 2" groups at 25 yards. Not suprising to most of us, guns with the very tight tolerances do tend to fail a bit more often. However, the appologist never seems to compare his gun with brand Z that also gives 4" groups but has a 0.00001% failure rate.

The double standards of these appologists are so glaring that a blind man can see them.
 
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I prefer a revolver to a Glock. Simply because a revolver is what was used to teach me the art of handgun operation. I prefer a lever action rifle, again, a lever action is what was used to teach me the art of the rifle. Given the choice between my SAIGA 410 and an expensive high name shotgun- I'll take the SAIGA. Simply because I remember the day Dad brought it(the SAIGA) home and told me I was responsible enough to have a weapon of my own. I like the Lee Enfield .303 better than the Remington bolt action in .308. Dad used the Remington to kill coyotes at insanely long ranges but there was one magical day I hit the spinner target at 300 meters with the SMLE.

Further, given a choice between a Garand and an AR-15 I'll take the Garand. Simply because of the day my Dad had me give my grandfather a newly purchased Garand. I remember how the old soldier held that old weapon much the same way I held my child when she was a baby.

If all this makes me a gun bigot... I can live with that.
 
I'm a gun bigot in some respects for me - as an example, I think putting a laminated stock on an M1 is disgusting.

However, I'm not a gun bigot when it comes to other people - it is after all, their gun. They need to do what is right for them, just as I need to do what is right for me. I might not like their choices, but whatever. A lot of people will not like my choices, so it works out.
 
bigotry and or choice of preffered gun through trial and error, I had a kimber, no way never again, over rated to me, a cheap used glock I'll take, yes an ak was russian and adopted by the u.s.
a cheap good rifle savage 110 300 win mag
 
"Forget the facts that they were cheap to produce and function flawlessly out of the box."

Except for the ones that don't work right and the serial number ranges that had to be recalled. Oh right, they don't have recalls, they do upgrades. :)

Hey, whatever. If you get off on hating people who hate, have at it. Don't let facts slow you down too much. ;)

John
 
I am sure psychologists all over the world have a ball with the pairing of the words evil and black, but lets not go that deep.
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That's because only a psychologist would feel the need to go deeper than the actual meaning. Black rifles are black rifles. Evil is an over-the-top poke at the anti's who would assign human motives to non-living objects.

As with other non-living objects, people tend to discriminate to what they like whether through logic or emotion. Fortunately, unlike hating a person, hating an object cannot cause that object's quality of life to suffer. A Glock is no less inclined to shoot me or help me based on my negative bias against it. It doesn't care if it just saved the life of the President, killed an innocent person in a robbery, or is buried in the back yard and forgotten for eternity. Just like the pizza at Cici's doesn't pay any heed as I drive by with the scent of Papa John's flowing from my vehicle. The folks that manufacture them or advocate for them, may take offense, but the object doesn't worry. If we weren't passionate enough to discriminate, there would be no need to create the myriad of choices we have. I'm happy with my choices. Hopefully the day won't come when my 1911 runs dry and the last thought I generate is "Oh ----. I wish I had a Glock". But if it does, my body will become a lifeless object and won't care anymore either. If my soul is welcomed into paradise it will be happy about this outcome, if not...it will have other things to lament.
 
I think it probably started with so called assault rifles which we now refer to as
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You are so late to the party it isn't even funny. This nonsense has been going on since they started arguing about rocks or arrows... it' just human nature.
 
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