Gun Bigotry

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See, thats the problem, yeah a 1911 would be nice, but then I have to blow $150 down the spout to see if it works right.... That doesn't even touch all the freaking little stuff, last I remember beaver , tail, was something we went out trying to get on a friday night. Then you add all the little stuff and someone wonders why there is so much ..... about 1911. I got a tokarev, if a commie grunt can make it work so should I, and what the h... close enough for government work.

Then you have your plastic POS, they come in your color as long as you like black, have the rail, that is one thing, not a drawer full of spare parts and takeoffs that might as well be like my wife's shoe closet. Are light and have more bullets generally.

In the end I am a equalitarian, I would like to have one of each, and a few of the POS so I can part the broke one out a get a working gun. Now if only ammo grew on trees.
 
DougDubya, you're showing your age, they arnt commies any more.....
at least commies didn't commit suicide via bomb in crowded places, but that is OT

agree that blaming the gun is stupid, illogical and right up the antis alley.

I just try to justify the price tag, I figure that eventually I will give in and get an AR just because I have a box of mags left over from a previous life. Love the AK concept but the ones I tried handled worse than my SKS not to mention the trigger....

Thinking about a VZ-58... wonder if I should get an import or a new one from CZ. Either that or save for a real automag.
 
I think GLOCKs are ugly and I don't like their safety
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LOL the safetey on a Glock being your brain telling you not to pull the trigger. LOL!
Except HK. Because I suck and they hate me
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I agree on that not to mention most who exclusively shoot HKs are "Gun Snobs".
 
For the most part I let those comments roll off. It's not worth my time and people that read the posts can tell who the belligerent ones are.
 
It (AK-47) didn't. Enemy soldiers or guerrillas/terrorists/"insurgents" did. And the favored weapon of the current crop is not a firearm at all, but the IED, usually a roadside bomb.
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The Vietnam war started before my freshman year in HS, and continued for a while after I got home from my tour, post-college. Any who thinks ill of the AK-47 for that long is unlikely to lose the prejudice, and I think a little understanding is more appropriate than a lecture. I bet most of the guys who think Aks are "really cool" came to maturity after the fall of the USSR.

I met a WWII vet in a Datsun showroom who was very reluctant for his daughter to buy a Japanese car. I didn't blame him, but I was too young to have bad memories of WWII.
 
Okay, then. I admit I am an extreme gun bigot against Jennings, Norinco and Hi Point weapons...EVERY experience I have had with any of the aforementioned 3 guns have been FTF's and FTE's...HOWEVER, I have first hand experience that I can attest to, not by the experience of others. I am and will continue to forever be biased against ANY of the manufacturers I mentioned, and will never trust my life, or my recreational shooting to any of those guns. Ever.
 
These brand wars are no different from the brand wars that people who drive American cars trucks argue about . I have run across many many people who drive a GM product just because their dad and his dad drove them . I let personal experience drive my decisions . I have brands that I prefer Beretta being the main one . Nobody else can say over 500 years of experience . The worst pistol that I have ever owned was a HK USP 9mm the plastic inserts in the three dot sites would fall out while I was shooting and the de-cock safety lever broke . All of this happened before it hit the 500 rd mark . I hear people tell me all the time HK makes a great gun . I gave them my money and they let me down , so , they had their opportuity . I dont like Glock mainly b/c the safety is on the trigger . I dont think thats a good place for it . I heard people talk down on Savage for a lot of years . Look in any gun test magazine when the new rifles come out and you will see Savage usually rated in the top 3 or 4 . There are so many gun makes out there that is impossible to try them all . Guns are for one very important reason usually for self defense . I recomend using whatever brand that a person has confidence in and shoot it frequently to the point it can be loaded and shot in the dark . :)

P.S. I owned a Davis .380 Auto and it was more reliable than the HK .
 
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Besides Metallurgey improving , All gun manufacturers use CNC machines to manufacture their product and that leveled the playing field tremendously .
 
YUPP !! by the definition of "Bigot", i is one i despise most foreign guns and especially the AK, simply because it killed so many of my American patriot brothers.

this is for the AK and those who think it is so great.
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i know a guy who carried an AK in vietnam, he sure didn't kill any of your american patriot brothers, in fact, he killed a lot more commies than most men carrying M-16s.
 
YUPP !! by the definition of "Bigot", i is one i despise most foreign guns and especially the AK, simply because it killed so many of my American patriot brothers.

this is for the AK and those who think it is so great.
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Thats funny, I thought all these years that it was the people armed w/ the AK killing our people, and not the gun itself...I guess Feinstine is right after all! ;)



I think it started w/ so called AWs. Its a two faceted thing though-

1. Ill informed people who believe the lefts demonizing or rifles that function no different than hunting rifles but look menacing

2. Other gun owners who believe allowing restrictions now will prevent more later(they do not) who threw us under the bus to try and save themselves
 
CZ223, do you actually think you are going to get through to those people? Bigotry is by definition irrational so all the evidence and logic in the world isn't going to penetrate their thick skulls. I'm with you, but this is pointless... as some of the responses have clearly shown.
 
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They really need a new emoticon for this one, a spinnging head would do nicely. Some who read this apparently didn't get the point I was making. If you prefer a revolver over a Glock or a Marlin lever action over a semi-auto whatever, you are not a gun bigot, you are human with a preference. If, however, you run around denouncing a particular brand without substantive reason then you are a gun bigot. Part of the problem is that rumors and half truths spread like wild fire these day on the internet. Someone gets a bad Glock and everyone hears about it in a couple of days. I remember not too long ago that you couldn't read a post about Glock with hearing about a Glock blowing up. The trouble is that very few glocks blew up and, when they did, it was often from improperly reloaded ammo. Hell, I know a guy who blew up a Ruger Black Hawk. Does this mean that Rugers are weak? No it means that he screwed up royaly at the reloading bench though he swears he didn't. Sorry Ted.
Are there guns that I won't buy? Sure there are. There are guns after all that have earned their bad rep. But, if I don't have personal experience or at least extensive knowledge of a weapon I will not go out of my way to badmouth them. Even when I do have a bad experience with a gun I don't usually make a big deal out of it. It wasn't all that long ago that that I would not have considered buying a Kel-Tec but after all the good I have heard about them, I am absolutely considering it.
Apologist, you have got to be kidding me. An appologist is someone who makes excuses for his favorite brand in the face of overwhelming proof that it is defective or inferior to another. If you want to see appologists go on over the M1911forums and look at the posts under Kimber. It is amazing to me that these people accept the problems that they do. A lot of the posts over there are from guys who own them and are having problems with them. There are a lot of them! The appologists respond with " It needs a five hundred round break in" or send it to the factory and they will make it right. It turns out that most of the problems have to do with improperly tuned extractors. Well here it is. If you pay $1100 dollars for a gun and it doesn't work right out of the box then, THE FACTORY DIDN'T MAKE IT RIGHT IN THE FIRST PLACE.:fire: If it truly needs a five hundred round break in period then again, THE FACTORY DIDN'T MAKE IT RIGHT THE FIRST TIME. Polishing mating surfaces, feed ramps etc. will aleviate the need for this. In case you haven't been paying attention lately 500 rounds of 45 ammo will cost you about $200.

I own a Kimber Tactical pro II and a Taurus PT1911. The Kimber wouldn't feed a mag full of ball ammo without choking on a couple of them when I got it. The Taurus has digested over 1900 rounds of everything I have fed it, flawlesly. I wanted to believe that the Kimber would in fact be more accurate. IT ISN'T. The Kimber cost almost twice what the Taurus did and, I like the looks of my duotone Taurus better than my Kimber. Someone is sure to come along and tell me I got a bad one, but it happens. Yeah, me and a whole lot of other guys. My 9 Savage rifles will outshoot most any production rifle out there including your beloved Remington. If I have to bet my life on a handgun that I have never fired before, you can bet your @ss it is gonna be a Glock. My two Olympic rifles are far more accurate than they ought to be for the price I paid and yet I let you guys bully me into thinking I need a Bushmaster, so I bought one. I also own two Ruger LCP's that work fine but, get this, I got people telling me that the Kel-Tec is better. Apparently it is a bad thing to acknowledge that you have a problem with a gun, recall it, and fix it free of charge. Het maybe Ruger could buy Kimber and teach them to make a gun that works out of the box and if it doesn't THEY COULD FIX THE PROBLEM SO IT DOESN'T KEEP HAPPENING.
 
Rostradamus

You have got me there, but once in a while I have got to vent. It is also reassuring to know that it isn't all in my head.:rolleyes:
 
Now that I think about it, why do so many Glock owners try to force Glock's "Safe Action" trigger non-sense down our throats when it's clearly a lawyer trigger and there's nothing safe about it?

I have nothing against Glocks, and am looking to purchase one soon but why can't they admit to the fact that the trigger isn't some sort of miracle safety? And come on, there's been more ND with a Glock than any other firearm in recent memory.
 
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The only reason I bought it in the first place was because it was priced right, about $350 less than a new one. It was less than three years old and obviously had not been shot much. I guess we know why how. I had heard some bad things about Kimber but I decided to take the chance. Fortunately I have a good friend who is a heck of a gunsmith so when it wouldn't feed I had him fix it. He did and it works waaay better now though I did have one failure to return to battery today. I really do like the weight of the gun and the trigger is very nice. He did say that the barrel looked like the reamer chattered and it was kind of rough so that may explain the accuracy problem today. I will clean it good and and retest. While I would have been thoroughly unhappy had I paid full price, as long it continues working well I will habg on to it.
 
Thats my beef with the glock :eek: There is nothing safe about their safety . I hear they shoot really well though (either on purpose or accidently:D)

I have never owned a taurus . These guns are built off of big name patents . If the steel is good then I couldnt imagine the gun not giving up good performance and durability .
 
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YUPP !! by the definition of "Bigot", i is one i despise most foreign guns and especially the AK, simply because it killed so many of my American patriot brothers.

this is for the AK and those who think it is so great.
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Perhaps we should just ban all 'assault weapons'?

Oh, BTW, I have a Mauser that could have some American blood on it. How do you feel about Mausers?

I have a Norinco SKS that, when I got it, looked as if it might have done some time in SE Asia, but hell, for 75 bucks.....:D Danged thing's a shooter.
 
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