Gun company and your opinion

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So here is a rather large question as my first post. I only have ruger as my first gun and I love it. So now I am partial to Ruger. Guess I cant say anything beyond that.

When I am formulating an opinoin on a gun company what should I be looking for, gun quality, customer service, other peoples opinoin?
How do you come up with an opinoin for all of the gun companies out there. I cant buy everyones product.

Also, The general concensus(general agreement) on GLOCK is that they are very reliable, affordable, polymer, handguns. But some people could say they hate glocks for the grip angles or problems with the gen 4 line.

Can you tell me
*What to look for when formulating an opinoin on a gun company
*Do you know a general concensus for any of these companies
*What is your opinoin that is worth expressing about any of these companies.

Berretta, Bennelli,Browning, Colt, Glock, HK, Kahr, Kel-tec, Mossberg, Remmington, Ruger,Springfield, Savage, Sig, Smith and Wesson, Taurus, Wilson Combat, Cz, FNH, Nighthawk,Les Bear,Kimber,Olympic arms,STI

Edit:Yeah I am anticipating some long responses, if you dont want to take your precious time then dont respond(why would multiple people send me personal messages ranting about this, I guess they have better things to do). I know I could read more books and chat with a person who runs a gun store.
 
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Yeah I am anticipating some long responses, if you dont want to take your precious time then dont respond. I know I could read more books and chat with a person who runs a gun store.
I'm sure that you didn't mean it this way, but this comment makes it sounds like you believe that it's not worth your time to research this on your own, but that at the same time anyone who doesn't feel like it's worthwhile to spend the time to craft a "long response" to your query is being selfish.

Rather than listing 24 companies and asking for information on each of them, you might find that you'll get a lot more useful responses if you narrow your focus a little. It's true that if you narrow the focus of your question, you will get more specific answers and therefore it will take longer to get all the information you want, but that's sort of how the real world works.
 
I don't formulate opinions on gun manufactures, only on gun models, and usually only after having personal direct experience with a particular product or a comprehensive review done by a trustworthy associate. This DOES NOT INCLUDE popular firearms publications, as I believe that most are beholden to the manufactures who advertise in those publications.
You listed quite a few manufactures, all of whom have a generally solid reputation for decent products, depending on what your criteria may be. However, each one of those listed likely has at one point some product that did not live up to the expectations of a number users, for whatever reason. When you produce products in high numbers, there will likely be some that for whatever reason don't make the cut. That is reality. If you are trying to figure out from the above list the best company, that is impossible as each is very different.
 
Do your research is the best advice. I very rarely do impulse buys on firearms and when I do, I always regret them. On the other hand when I have taken the time to research a firearm/company before I buy I cannot be happier. This is a general rule of thumb to get you started but not finished. One of my impulse buys was a Kel-Tec P3AT for my wife. After putting some rounds through it, I could not get rid of the weapon fast enough because of failures. My first firearm I bought on my 21st birthday was my Walther P99. I researched that weapon for 6 or 7 months before putting money down for it. Cannot be happier with it.

If at all possible it is always a good idea to shoot a firearm before buying. Back when I turned 21 I contemplated buying Glocks. Until I fired several Glock 22 and 23s. Now I cannot hate them any more than now. I might pick up one Glock eventually just to say I own one to get my Glock-**** friends off my back. It would still get $3-400 worth of upgrades.

Customer Service is a secondary concern to your firearms. If the gun is reliable you shouldn't need CS right away. I have dealt with Ruger, Kel-Tec, and S&W customer service. Out of those three, Ruger is the best of the bunch with the other two being downright aggravating.
 
basically, the same way you form opinions about car companies, small engine companies, electronics companies, etc. you do a lot of research, talk to as many people as you can, throw away the top and bottom 10%, and figure from there. it is ridiculous to think that one experience with any product is the way it will always be. every manufacturer of ANYTHING can and will have some lemons. and some products that last forever, and never break down. but those are usually the exceptions. and with the way companies are run today, it seems like most companies try very hard to get a very good rating with consumers. then sit on their laurels, cheapen up the product, and reap the profits until their sales drop off drastically. then they start all over, or sell the company.
 
if you dont want to take your precious time then dont respond.
That's the way to win us over.


Any big name company is going to put out a good product that they will stand behind. To get all us us to agree on which ones are good, better, best, would be impossible, as it is extremely subjective.

It's a great way to start an argument however. Lets not do that.

All the companies you named are good to go. Some will have their fan boys, and some will have their detractors, but they all produce quality items. Some will have reps for excellent quality customer service, while some not so much.

Do you have any specific questions you would like answers to?
 
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Some will have their fan boys

That would be me. There is something about the unmistakable Sig styling I find irresistible. Their rock solid reliability doesn't hurt either.
 
You obviously have access to the internet and the wealth of information it provides. I'm going to take a moment of my "precious time" to suggest that you do some research on the guns you are interested in rather than letting someone else's opinion drive your decision. This way, it's your decision and you can't blame someone else for "pushing a dud" if you wind up with one. There are plenty of forums that you can peruse to get information and opinions from but you need to remember that opinions are just that, opinions!

BTW, I LOVE my Ruger GP100 but don't like my wife's LCP! Same company, different guns.
 
Your question is a parallel to asking who makes the best car, you are going to get as many answers as there are manufacturers. Buy what you like and ignore the "experts" around here and other places who will spend their time telling you what a dupe, fool, moron, wise, etc person you are.
 
Like splithoof said, you ought to formulate opinions on specific models, not companies. Some guns from company A will fit your needs and preferences better than company B, and vice versa. And don't pay attention to anyone who says any particular company is not good, just listen to their experience with certain firearms and get an idea of which ones are reliable and worth owning. You need to form your own opinions at some point.
 
Sheesh...Ok, I'll play.

Beretta: Legendary maker. The oldest marque in the firearms world. Make very nice medium-high end (not luxury, but very nice) shotguns. They also make a well-regarded line of autopistols, including the current US military sidearm. Their most prevalent pistol designs are a bit dated now, but they're trying to make some progress with some slightly more modern lines.

Bennelli: Subsidiary of Beretta. Makes high quality (not luxury) shotguns.

Browning: Classic name. Now affiliated with FN. High quality rifles and shotguns, primarily hunting/sporting arms. (There are many classic guns with the Browning name attached which are not made by the current firm.)

Colt: Classic marque. Mostly good production values, though they've had rough patches. Almost ceased to be a civilian arms manufacturer in the last few decades, concentrating almost entirely on military contracts, but now making the effort and putting out some nice pistols in the civilian market.

Glock: The ubiquitous semi-auto pistol of the modern age. Good quality, good price. It works. No "frills," almost anti-aesthetics, but if you can't get it done with a Glock, that's not the fault of the gun. The base-line choice for law enforcement and action/practical competition shooters.

HK: Somewhat a niche-market item in the civilian world. Very expensive guns with a lot of cachet. Most shooters tend to find themselves asking exactly what these expensive guns do that's any bit better than any dozen other guns they could have bought. Their military style guns are also high on "cool-factor" but tend to be a bit quirky. They did make THE dominant submachine gun of the end of the 20th century (MP5). Now that the age of the sub-gun has passed, that just adds to the legend.

Kahr: Solid quality concealable pistols. Good value, reliable, concealable.

Kel-tec: Innovative designer. Very fond of cheap-feeling plastic, but their designs are pretty unique and interesting. Masters of "vaporware" -- advertising things and creating massive interest in products that take years for anyone to get their hands on. (KSG, FRB) Their tiny hide-out pistols have become a sort of industry standard, though, for inexpensive conceal-ability.

Mossberg: One of the most prolific manufacturers of civilian arms. They make solid, but inexpensive arms for the common man (uhhh... the WalMart Shopper, TBH). Also make the primary military issue shotgun (590). Their Model 500 pump shotgun is just about equally popular with the old standby Rem 870. They also make rimfire rifles, centerfire bolt-action rifles, now a lever-action as well. Some of their recent design versions tend to be very blatant appeals to the "video-game fanboy" set. Strange things like shotguns with top-handle grips or fake silencers, "tactical" lever-action rifles, .22 rifles with enormous muzzle brakes. Moronic, but it brings in the cash, I guess.

Remington: Grand old name in American firearms. They make a number of rifles and shotguns mostly intended for the sporting market. They've fallen on troubling times recently since their conglomeration under the Cerberus company. Quality is said to be off.

Ruger: Good quality arms for the common man. They've always been innovative and interesting, though their designs sometimes tend toward "bulk=strength." Hard to go wrong buying a Ruger. Might not be the flashiest, or the very smoothest, but solid and reliable. Hard to classify, though, because they make so many different things. A Ruger No.1 and a Ruger P85 almost are hard to imagine coming from the same company, but they did.

Springfield Armory: Pretty good quality makers of M1A (M14 clone) rifles, 1911 pistols, and importers of the "xD" line of polymer autos from Croatia. Very decent quality. Good customer service. Good support to the shooting sports, too!

Savage: Used to be the poor man's Remington. They've put on an intense push in the last couple of decades to build the brand and now produce rifles that many feel are every bit as accurate as a Remington -- and probably more. They build an affordable off-the-shelf rifle that is competitive in F-class bench-rest competition. That's impressive. They will sell you a quality .338 Lapua. That is impressive, too! Their rifles are interesting for incorporating the "AccuTrigger" which makes for a safe, light trigger without gunsmith work. Their primary rifle line also is interesting for the barrel-attachment system which makes swapping barrels/calibers something that the average owner can do at home.

Sig: Another high-quality maker, primarily of pistols. Their pistol designs are dated now, still clinging to the old DA/SA firing system, but they're still pretty popular. Their newer designs have not been all that well received, compared to the legendary status of the old models. Folks tend to either love or hate Sigs, depending on whether they like the chubby grip, high bore axis, and oddly placed controls. They're also making some waves with their Sig556 line of semi-autos, which are a bit evocative of their legendary 20th century assault rifles.

Smith and Wesson: Lots to say. Primarily known as a revolver manufacturer -- and, any more, "THE" revolver manufacturer. "Quality" is hotly contested. Some love them. Some won't forgive them for not being the S&W of the 1900-1950s era when they were GREAT. They went through a couple of ownership changes in the last couple of decades which saw an unfortunate political deal with the Clintons and ushered in the age of the "internal lock" which many manufacturers now incorporate. They now use some modern machining and manufacturing processes that some people really don't trust, but 98% of the time, their guns work and work well. They also make the M&P polymer autos -- the only gun to REALLY begin to eat Glock's lunch. Great auto and probably the pinnacle of polymer service sidearm, for today. Also making one of the most well-liked AR-15 clones.

Taurus: Generally decent quality down-market handguns. Legendary BAD customer service, and semi-legendary rate of putting out "lemons." HOWEVER, if you get a good one, they tend to really work very well. Some folks who've owned them have sworn off them. Some owners are intensely loyal with nothing but good experiences. You roll the dice, you take your chances.

Wilson Combat: One of the two most prolific "TOP End" 1911 makers. Branching out into some rifles as well now. Extremely accurate, quite expensive, semi-hand-made guns. Bill Wilson founded IDPA.

Cz: Very classic European maker. Make some TERRIFIC rifles, including an interesting assault rifle that many people feel is what the AK should have become. Their flagship pistol is the classic CZ75 and its derivatives. Interesting gun, very pretty, very accurate, rather "European" in its trigger mechanism. Many die-hard fans. Probably the most unsung and worthy European arms brand.

FNH: Makers of military hardware, including many of the assault rifles, machine guns, and automatic grenade launchers our troops use. Also well regarded for the FN-FAL rifle (the "Right arm of the free world") -- the direct competition to our M14 back in the day, and felt by some to have been the better rifle. Now they are affiliated with Browning and Winchester. Make a product-improved version of the BAR rifle, the FNAR which is very accurate. Also making a series of service style autopistols which are well regarded.

Nighthawk: VERY high quality niche-market 1911 maker.

Les Bear: The other of the most prolific two semi-custom TOP end 1911 makers, along with Wilson.

Kimber: Responsible largely for the resurrection of the 1911 in the US. After a fantastic run of making the 1911 everyone wanted, they've fallen into some bad times and now their name is tarnished in that area. Making the interesting "Solo" carry gun...similar to a Kahr. Also making a very nice line of bolt-action hunting rifles.

Olympic Arms: Uh...AR-15 maker. Not well regarded these days.

STI: Fantastic up-and-coming pistol (and now rifle, too!) manufacturer, specializing in 1911 and 2011 style pistols, primarily for the competition crowd, but making lots of serious-use carry guns as well.


So... you want to know anything about the 10-20 other makers you didn't think of? :D
 
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Really nice synopsis there Sam. I pretty much agree with all of it.
 
Thats exactly what I wanted Sam, minus people sending me private messages about their time( which is what they are wasting by messaging me). Heck, if you want to tell me more about the other companies you think are worth noting, Great.

*Do I know more than I am leading on? Maybe
*Did I know writing such a curt edit would insight annoyed posters? Maybe
*Do you care? Nope
*Do you care enough to post about how you dont care?Yup

Thats the type of responses I wanted to see, just your reaction, like I didnt know that was going to happen. Some people would give me intellectual responses and others.... I made it happen on purpose. Well I appreciate both, Thank you. Mostly because we are all mature here, and gave me an answer to my question.
 
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It seems to me that English might not be Schwan's native language so, I don't have a problem with his way of asking for our reasoning in our responses, vs the short, curt even rude answers he got.

I like my Ruger P89 pistol. It is built well, accurate, economical, and reliable.
I also like my Mossberg 1500 rifle and Mossberg 500 shotgun for the same reasons. The commonality with these weapons is a balance between quality and economy. I don't have the cash to buy "the best" available, but I do own weapons that get the job done as long as I do my part.

If I had the cash, I would drive a newer, higher quality truck instead of my old Dodge. But the Dodge has been the 'best' vehicle I ever owned. Reliable, tough, and economical. It gets the job done as long as I take care of it. So what if it's not pretty?
 
Berretta, Bennelli,Browning, Colt, Glock, HK, Kahr, Kel-tec, Mossberg, Remmington, Ruger,Springfield, Savage, Sig, Smith and Wesson, Taurus, Wilson Combat, Cz, FNH, Nighthawk,Les Bear,Kimber,Olympic arms,STI

All of those companies have made good, bad , and horrible firearms.

I've found the great ones, for me: Italian Berettas, 3rd gen. S&W 10mms, some S&W M&Pcs have been great shooters, I love all Glocks except the G22s, love my SIG 226 and 1911s, and love my STI.

It is impossible to "rate" each corporation with a blanket grade as they have gone through sooo many differing changes in ownership, design/production control, etc..

Avoid internet opinions like the plague, ie the Glock gen 4 rumor: overly false. I forget how many gen. 4 pistols Glocks sells a month, but the "problem" pistol #s were miniscule and fixed by the factory. SIG builds and ships around 25,000 pistols a month, IIRC. Can you imagine every one of them being perfect? Nope.

Your best source of accurate information is generally found at the local range, talking with a guy/gal who will tkae the time to go over their good/bad examples in person.

..." because we are all mature here." Most of us are mature here. However, by some of your statements, which sound to be entitlement based, your idea of maturity is differing from those generations before you.(Like mine.) You have very nicely asked for a "hook up", wherein you have to do little to ZERO footwork yourself. THAT is why you have received some negative based PMs, and your attitude will be read a mile away at any ranges you might visit. Good luck in your endeavors.
 
*Do I know more than I am leading on? Maybe
*Did I know writing such a curt edit would insight annoyed posters? Maybe
*Do you care? Nope
*Do you care enough to post about how you dont care?Yup

Thats the type of responses I wanted to see, just your reaction, like I didnt know that was going to happen. Some people would give me intellectual responses and others.... I made it happen on purpose.

Hmmm...schwannololtorian, I'll caution you to avoid posting anything just to get a reaction. If you're asking for information, trying to educate yourself as a new enthusiast, that's great -- that's why we're here.

If you're fishing for negativity, hoping to "trick" people into being short, curt, or otherwise unpleasant in their responses, or to get them bickering over broad opinion, that's being a "Troll" and such behavior is completely unacceptable here.

So, I need an answer via PM. This is closed until I hear from you as to precisely what your intentions were with this.
 
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