Gun confiscation during civil unrest!!!

[XD-40 Shooter]

In the aftermath of Katrina, national legislation was passed by Congress and signed by Bush, banning gun confiscations in an emergency or natural disaster. If you're local police agency accepts federal funds, they are banned from confiscating guns. Several states have also passed laws outlawing confiscations, Louisiana included.

 

[gego]

After the US government fails and you young people are picking up the pieces, when (if) you write a Constitution for a new government, please put some serious penalties on politicians, bureaucrats and judges who violate the Constitution and figure out a way to enforce these penalties. The fact that the present Constitution can be violated with impunity encourages those in power to trample on it.

 

[hso]

Do what the citizens of Tennessee, get legislation put in place making it against the law.

More than talking about hiding your guns or misleading the folks that come to your door asking if you have any, put in a little state political effort to get a law passed making it illegal to confiscate firearms during a natural disaster.

 

[Treo]

It was illegal to confiscate firearms during Katrina , it was also illegal to steal them in Greensburg.

The trick is to get politicians that believe the same into office

 

[Wildfire]

Thank You.

Hey There:
That actually makes sense. And I agree with you. Just seems every time I try to tell it like it is I get shut down.
If bad guys or cops come in the middle of the night bashing down people doors what would they expect to happen. I have a 55% hearing loss. i can hear, but do not always know what was said. Sometimes I must stop and think for a second or two about what I just heard. So , would that get me killed because I did not follow orders fast enough for some cop in my house during the night ? Or should I go by what I know to be right and wrong. Assuming anyone entering my home by bashing in my door is gonna get wacked. ?
You see I am not trigger happy. I had caught a young man in my house some years back . he was looking for money for dope. I did not reconize him at all.
I had a .44 mag SS blackhawk laid on his nose with the hammer back. he was breathing very heavy . He had what appeared to be a gun. "Appeared" but was not. Anyway. Later I find out It was one of the neighbors sons that we used to baby sit for. Imagine me shooting that kid. he was over 6' tall. long hair, and I had not seen him in years. Wow. Am I glad I did not shoot him.
I was ready to but held back. The law delt with him and I 'm Ok with that. He is married now and has a family. I can still talk with his mother.
Anyway, Things could have turn out different, Had he kicked my door in and charged in , he would have been shot.
I do not beleive just because someone yells "Police" in the middle of the night after bashing in my door that I would just lay down and give up. Sounds like a good tactical move for bad guys.

By the way , I get this funny feeling that taking there guns after Katrina was "Illegal"......

 

[cassandrasdaddy]

did you mean to post in the thread about no knock raids?

 

[Robert Hairless]

Well if you missed that you probably missed the part where the NRA and other groups went around after the Katrina mess and helped get laws passed in many states specifically making this kind of confiscation illegal.

He has discovered the major advantage of not belonging to the NRA.

Hurricane Katrina happened three years ago, in 2005, and he has just discovered that people's guns were confiscated then.

His guns could be confiscated tomorrow and he might not realize it for several years. That would save him a lot of unnecessary heartache and worry.

 

[Wildfire]

Xd-40

Hey There:
Thought you fell in some where. Hope that Remy is still looking good.
Sure is a pretty one.

 

[blkbrd666]

Now that someone mentioned no knock raids...it just occurs to me you could look at the Katrina confiscations(at least with the sweet little lady) as a knock raid(without a warrant)...totally illegal in every way. I guess they should count themselves lucky it wasn't a well armed and trained individual in the house that went into quick action taking all 5 or 6 of them out before they could even duck.

Non political donation: Concerning all the water in the streets after Katrina. Has anyone ever noticed that some of the Bulldog soft cases say they float? Would that be empty???...or are they claiming that they float with an AR15 in one? Did anyone notice Bulldog cases floating with a gun inside during Katrina?

 

[Rugerlvr]

Utah and some other states have already passed legislation that specifically makes gun confiscation in a declared emergency illegal. That's important for Utah, as we are overdue (on a geological scale) for a big earthquake in the Salt Lake Valley.

 

[FairlyWhackedOut]

I cannot find my tin foil hat

heres a site for the fairly whacked out

http://willtoexist.com/2007/05/18/di...ter-a-tornado/


pay attention to the comments from the folks who were there you'll be able to go thinner on the fooil after that
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No offense, but my blog is not "a site for the fairly whacked out" - I was pretty measured and reasonable and so were most of the responses. I don't own a tin foil hat but I do have a healthy distrust of the federal government as an employee of the same.

 

[FairlyWhackedOut]

Hanging as a penalty for being a bad politician

After the US government fails and you young people are picking up the pieces, when (if) you write a Constitution for a new government, please put some serious penalties on politicians, bureaucrats and judges who violate the Constitution and figure out a way to enforce these penalties. The fact that the present Constitution can be violated with impunity encourages those in power to trample on it.​

I'm thinking hanging would be a good penalty for violating your oath of office.

 

[buzz_knox]

In any Katrina/Greenberg level emergency, legality of action won't be a concern to the gov't. The necessity (real or perceived) of the actions will be the sole thing motivating the gov't.

 

[FairlyWhackedOut]

Best solution to abuse of authority

Is to live as far outside of town as you can afford.

The more rural your location and the further under the radar you fly, the less likely you are to be noticed and harassed by the authorities. When a natural disaster comes, be prepared to go it alone.

The authorities will concern themselves with the places where people are tightly packed together.

 

[Sans Authoritas]

Gego wrote:

After the US government fails and you young people are picking up the pieces, when (if) you write a Constitution for a new government, please put some serious penalties on politicians, bureaucrats and judges who violate the Constitution and figure out a way to enforce these penalties. The fact that the present Constitution can be violated with impunity encourages those in power to trample on it.

FairlyWhackedOut wrote:

I'm thinking hanging would be a good penalty for violating your oath of office.

And who's going to enforce any of this? I can see it now: A fox saying, "I see someone has made a hole under the coop fence, and chickens have been stolen and killed. I'll get right on conducting an internal investigation and making sure that justice is done if any wrongdoing is found. We'll put the accused on administrative leave until we get it sorted out, and I'll also enact new policies and pass a law to prevent it from ever happening again."

Kind of like what we have now. And you hear it every time there's any atrocious behavior by police. Wrongdoing is seldom "found" unless there is such an outrage that the chief is in danger of losing his job. But a sweep under the carpet and forgetfulness on the part of the chickens are omnipresent.

Were any of the officers fired, or even suspended after the confiscations in New Orleans? No? I wonder why, even though their actions were illegal. Hmm.

-Sans Authoritas

 

[Sav .250]

SA.........

 

[siglite]

All the laws in the world aren't going to stop incompetent politicians from making incompetent decisions during an emergency situation. Government can't protect you, so blindly following senseless government proclamations is insane.

At some point, you must stop attributing to incompetence, that which is borne of malice.

 

[csmkersh]

Back in 2006, the US Senate adopted Vitter Amdt. No. 4615, As Modified to HR 5441, to prohibit the confiscation of a firearm during an emergency or major disaster if the possession of such firearm is not prohibited under Federal or State law.

The Senate vote can be seen HERE. Strangely missing for the usual list of anti-gun voters is Senator Obama's name. He must have been pretending he was pro-gun that day or already thinking of a run for the Weisshaus.
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[ctdonath]

they should have: evacuated, concealed, left immediately, etc.

Why?

My home, my possessions, my security. Assuming the house is still intact, why would I leave good shelter, complete with everything needed for prolonged comfortable survival for a family of 3 with 2 dogs, to pile a few possessions into the car and take off to ... where? leaving everything else behind for looters to clean out? Sure I'm fascinated with survivalism, but when SHTF I'm NOT going to make it as difficult for us as possible by leaving my castle.

Sure, if I have reason to belive home is not the place to be, there's a plan to cope. But for those Katrina victims whose homes were intact, why should a discussion about wrongful confiscation lead to the notion that they should have left?

Most discussions about "bugging out" lead to the conclusion that one should instead be "bugging in". Sure, have a plan to leave ... but in Katrina, those who stayed and were in good enough shape to face confiscation apparently had no reason to have left.

 

[moe.ron]

If my house is still standing I am not going anywhere.

 

[MiddleAgedKen]

The Senate vote can be seen HERE. Strangely missing for the usual list of anti-gun voters is Senator Obama's name. He must have been pretending he was pro-gun that day or already thinking of a run for the Weisshaus.

Well, the statement of purpose reads in part: "...if the possession of such firearm is not prohibited under Federal or State law." He gets political cover with this vote now, and intends to render it moot later. Win-win!

 

[mortpes]

Well I do carry a throw away wallet for special occasions. Perhaps it is time to consider throw away guns as well.

 

[rainbowbob]

Yesterday on the Glen Beck Show they showed the "little old lady" video.

I used that opportunity to explain to my wife (who hates guns) that when all law and order had broken down - when many of the police had deserted and the phones weren't working - when looters and pillagers were running the streets - the "authorities" came and illegally confiscated the only remaining means of self-defense from law-abiding citizens.

Her reply? "If that happened - you should hide your guns!"

Even an anti can recognize the need for defensive tools when the fertilizer hits the portable cooling aparatus (FHTPCA).

P.S. for those that don't know - you should all be watching or recording Glenn Beck this week. It's "Gun Week" and he has a pro-gun segement every night

 

[MarcusWendt]

The fact of the matter is that none of those people went down shooting, they may have argued, even scuffled a bit, but no one was killed protecting their rights.

I would be willing to bet that at least one of those has a "pry it from my cold dead hands" tee shirt or bumper sticker.

This was a test case, and we as Americans caved in.

Most Americans are going to grudgingly turn over their firearms.

Sad but true.

We all talk a good game here on the internet, but when push comes to shove few will barricade and stand up against tyranny.

 

[buzz_knox]

This was a test case, and we as Americans caved in.

Most Americans are going to grudgingly turn over their firearms.

Sad but true.

In more ways than one. We've all heard about how orders to disarm civilians will be disobeyed. The reality is quite different, just as it has been in every major city that has instituted a pogram against guns.