Gun-confiscation fears lead to protest in northern Idaho

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The Sheriff, some elected officials, and a whole lot of citizens stood between a man, his arms, and the government looking to take them. Any of you close to this thing, that can contribute some perspective?

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Gun-confiscation fears lead to protest in northern Idaho

A group of residents in northern Idaho lined up outside a U.S. Navy veteran's house on Thursday-

-described the event as a "defiance against tyranny."

"I took an oath to uphold the U.S. Constitution and uphold the laws of Idaho," Wheeler said. "This seemed appropriate to show my support. I was going to make sure Mr. Arnold's rights weren't going to be breached."
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"This does happen sometimes, where the VA sends out a letter," said Bryan Hult, veteran services officer for Bonner County. "Especially if a veteran has dementia ... and a fiduciary has to be appointed to manage finances like a pension and income. You wouldn't want that person to be in possession of a gun."
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Always two sides to every story and we don't know all of the particulars
 
The issue was brought to the attention of State Representative Heather Scott by the veteran after receiving a letter from the VA saying they had determined he was "incompetent" to handle his VA funds.

The man had a mild stroke which resulted in some physical impairment.

You can read more about it here: Infowars is not a reputable new source and is not welcome on THR.
 
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Anybody bothered to read the thread right here on THR about VA, SSA and other alphabet soups using the SS fiduciary to illegally deprive non-prohibited persons their 2A?

The quote in post 2 has a lot of "sometimes", "Maybe", "especially", but absolutely NOTHING directly regarding this particular veteran. Just lots of blather to appeal to the "reasonable restriction" crowd.

Tell me that Mr. XYZ has dementia and is a danger to himself or others, we'll talk. Until then, you're arguing in favor of gun control by fiat.
 
So if they take his guns... why not his knives, glass bottles, baseball bats, car, and anything else that might become a weapon?

Unless he had demonstrated VIOLENT BEHAVIOR, I say LEAVE HIM ALONE.

Deaf
 
What you suggest, Deaf, is the legal way. Go through the courts to make him a legally prohibited person. What is being done, however, is NOT legal. It is gun control through un-elected policy change, rather than legislation.

There is a reason this is being done through the VA and SSA. Why? Beause it is illegal and would fail in the courts.
 
And "Infowars" is a reputable news agency?
Since when?
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Information is where you find it - not where it comes from. If you think the AP, CNN, NBC, ABC, etc. are where you find "the truth" because they're a "legitimate news agency" - you're not paying attention to how they tailor the news to fit their agenda...

The AP story on the same event was an exercise in non-reporting with the typical conscious omission of facts as the hallmark of advocacy journalism.
 
^^^^
THIS!

Some of you may be floored to learn that our "news" ain't the same as the rest of the world. I'm talking about the same news event. Just go read some of the other online newspapers from other parts of the world.
 
Jack.I said:
^^^^
THIS!

Some of you may be floored to learn that our "news" ain't the same as the rest of the world. I'm talking about the same news event. Just go read some of the other online newspapers from other parts of the world.
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Having been to other parts of the world, and seen some of the news reporting there, I can absolutly attest to the truth of Jack I.'s statement.
The only downside is that I have NEVER seen any proof that other countries' news reporting is any less biased than ours is.
 
Some of you may be floored to learn that our "news" ain't the same as the rest of the world. I'm talking about the same news event. Just go read some of the other online newspapers from other parts of the world.
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Actually, the credibility of one source has no bearing on another. Infowars is not a paragon of journalistic integrity, full stop. And that claim by itself has zero relationship to the credibility of other forms of media. Even if it did, no one has made the claim that any other media source is infallible, except those looking for a straw man to distract from Infowars poor sourcing.

"Infowars is credible because CNN is bad," is a complete, illogical non sequitur. The credibility of one has no bearing on the other.
 
Over time we've allowed guns to take on some special meaning over other inanimate objects in our world. Today the gov can lord what they consider a privilege over us and here we are seeing it creep into our lives by means of the SSA or VA.
We all get old and at some point we may become a danger to ourselves but there must still be due process.
I don't know about the fine points but if some one is chosen as a fiduciary they should be the first to deal with the issue of the person in trust being capable of possessing a gun.
They in turn should work with family or the local Sheriff and the guns treated just like the rest of the estate.
At no point should federal police be involved.
 
psyopspec said:
Actually, the credibility of one source has no bearing on another. Infowars is not a paragon of journalistic integrity, full stop. And that claim by itself has zero relationship to the credibility of other forms of media. Even if it did, no one has made the claim that any other media source is infallible, except those looking for a straw man to distract from Infowars poor sourcing.

"Infowars is credible because CNN is bad," is a complete, illogical non sequitur. The credibility of one has no bearing on the other.
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I don't think people are thinking "Infowars is credible because CNN is bad," I believe they're thinking "Infowars is bad because what they report too often has no relationship to the truth."
As much as I disdain CNN, I suspect it is much more accurate than Infowars, which seems far too conspiratorial to me to be reliable.
 
So is it an AP story or Info Wars?
Not that it probably matters much.
Take a look at Drudge and Huffpost and you'd swear any given story is reported in a 180 degree difference.
 
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Aside from the off-topic issue of "news" credibility...

I looked at this from a couple of perspectives yesterday and found no point where "confiscation" was credibly mentioned.

Scenarios where a future purchase is denied... sure.

But raiding the house to seize firearms? I don't get that anywhere.

Now, either it never came up and folks are going off half-cocked or, the reporting is not going into the particulars of confiscation... speaking to greater than known inaccuracies.

Todd.
 
Apparently the veteran asked for a fiduciary. Veterans are told up front when they request a fiduciary that their Second Amendment rights go bye bye when that individual is appointed.
 
I drove through Priest River on the way home and saw the folks at the church but, did not know what it was until I got home on facebook since I support Heather Scott and the Idaho Second Amendment Alliance. We do not have every fact, that is true but, folks in this State are not taking any chances because its high time to stand up or get run over. People are tired of this Government seeking more and more control of our lives. If you want to second guess the reasons folks showed up at this thing that's fine but, I will ALWAYS stand with those that are for freedom even if they are misinformed on details because doing nothing is no longer an option. Be sheep and rely on the Libs giving you "common sense" gun control or stand up for our constitution. THERE IS NO MIDDLE GROUND. :fire:
 
I recently heard a interesting story on the radio (Glenn Beck I think).

A Government Official said what Federal Law Enforcement Agencies fear most is when citizens in communities start joining together and refusing to turn over someone that breaks the law to the Feds. The example he used was someone in the community killing a Muslim wearing a turban. So while it might be a crime what happens when the citizens say it was ok?
 
"And "Infowars" is a reputable news agency?"
Thus sayeth the alien reptile masquerading as a human being :neener:

TCB
 
"Veterans are told up front when they request a fiduciary that their Second Amendment rights go bye bye when that individual is appointed."
That doesn't actually matter, legally, since such a situation does not define one as 'adjudicated mentally defective' as required to debar someone the right to keep and bear arms under due process. We've all heard the phrase "you can't sign away your rights." Apart from renouncing US citizenship, nothing you freely sign (as a mentally-capable, competent individual, as required to set up the fiduciary thing, if I'm not mistaken) can strip you of your RKBA; it has to be taken from you by your peers.

TCB
 
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